You seem to be confusing cause and effect again. The election-night punditry did not affect the vote count; the vote count affected the election-night punditry.

I would 100% agree if the punditry did not start before the polls were
closed across the country. For years now, they barely wait for 6PM ET
before they start. The "new channel" era has done nothing but make this
worse.

Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Humanity and expects nothing in return.

That is a good example. I would point out, though, that Jimmy is one individual. I cannot see political groups, or groups of politicians, doing
so when it comes to policy, just as you probably have difficulty believing
that corporate groups would do so.


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On 04 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You seem to be confusing cause and effect again. The election-night pund did not affect the vote count; the vote count affected the election-nigh punditry.

I would 100% agree if the punditry did not start before the polls were closed across the country. For years now, they barely wait for 6PM ET before they start. The "new channel" era has done nothing but make this worse.

The vast majority of people would have voted before 6pm on election night,
and those in line would probably not be watching TV anyway.

Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Hum and expects nothing in return.

That is a good example. I would point out, though, that Jimmy is one individual. I cannot see political groups, or groups of politicians, doing so when it comes to policy, just as you probably have difficulty believing that corporate groups would do so.

The various aspects of the social safety net are an example of legislation
that helps the underprivileged while expecting nothing in return.

I have seen corporations promoting charity.

Jeff.

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I would 100% agree if the punditry did not start before the polls were closed across the country. For years now, they barely wait for 6PM ET before they start. The "new channel" era has done nothing but make this worse.

The vast majority of people would have voted before 6pm on election night, and those in line would probably not be watching TV anyway.

6pm in my state is 3pm on the West Coast, where there are still a lot of electoral votes at stake and at least 3 hours left to get in line to vote.

That is a good example. I would point out, though, that Jimmy is one individual. I cannot see political groups, or groups of politicians, doing so when it comes to policy, just as you probably have difficulty believing that corporate groups would do so.

The various aspects of the social safety net are an example of legislation that helps the underprivileged while expecting nothing in return.

I have seen corporations promoting charity.

In both cases, those politicians and corporations do indeed expect things
in return. Certainly you are not that naive.


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On 05 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I would 100% agree if the punditry did not start before the polls w closed across the country. For years now, they barely wait for 6PM before they start. The "new channel" era has done nothing but make worse.

The vast majority of people would have voted before 6pm on election nigh and those in line would probably not be watching TV anyway.

6pm in my state is 3pm on the West Coast, where there are still a lot of electoral votes at stake and at least 3 hours left to get in line to
vote.

In my state, the majority of votes were turned in well before election day, People voting on election day faced > 3hr. wait times.

That is a good example. I would point out, though, that Jimmy is o individual. I cannot see political groups, or groups of politician doing so when it comes to policy, just as you probably have difficu believing that corporate groups would do so.

The various aspects of the social safety net are an example of legislati that helps the underprivileged while expecting nothing in return.
I have seen corporations promoting charity.

In both cases, those politicians and corporations do indeed expect things in return. Certainly you are not that naive.

I don't think so.

Jeff.

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I would 100% agree if the punditry did not start before the polls closed across the country. For years now, they barely wait for 6P
before they start. The "new channel" era has done nothing but mak
worse.

The vast majority of people would have voted before 6pm on election nig
and those in line would probably not be watching TV anyway.

6pm in my state is 3pm on the West Coast, where there are still a lot of electoral votes at stake and at least 3 hours left to get in line to vote.

In my state, the majority of votes were turned in well before election day, People voting on election day faced > 3hr. wait times.

2020 was abnormal, but my claim is they've been doing it "for years now,"
not just 2020 and since. Most years before 2020, people were not off work early enough to be in line at 3pm, and most areas outside of the Pacific NW
had in-person voting.

In both cases, those politicians and corporations do indeed expect things
in return. Certainly you are not that naive.

I don't think so.

Politicians expect things in return. If we were talking "Republican politicians" only, this discussion would not be so pointless because the
one of us that won't admit the obvious here would.


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On 06 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

In my state, the majority of votes were turned in well before election d People voting on election day faced > 3hr. wait times.

2020 was abnormal, but my claim is they've been doing it "for years now," not just 2020 and since. Most years before 2020, people were not off
work early enough to be in line at 3pm, and most areas outside of the Pacific NW had in-person voting.

We've had early voting for several elections now.

In both cases, those politicians and corporations do indeed expect things
in return. Certainly you are not that naive.

I don't think so.

Politicians expect things in return. If we were talking "Republican politicians" only, this discussion would not be so pointless because the one of us that won't admit the obvious here would.

Some do, some don't. Republicans Cheney and Kinzinger did the right thing
and put country over party knowing that it would end their political careers.

Jeff.

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