What was border security like in the 1880s when your family arrived in the US? Were the borders more, or less, open than they are now? How did that affect our national sovereignty? What was the driving force behind the change in border policy? Answer those questions correctly and I think you'll have a much more accurate understanding of "America First."

Considering that most immigrants were coming across the Atlantic by boat...
the boats would arrive and the immigrants would be processed through
processing stations like Ellis Island, where the ship master would present paperwork that was supposed to account for each immigrating person aboard
his ship. They were not all automatically accepted or "set loose" in NYC.
Some where quaranteened for observation, others were turned away outright. Having a job already lined up, or relatives already in the country, was a
plus.

If someone crosses the southern border now, at a legal crossing point, they
go through at least some of the same treatment. But not all of them cross
at legal crossings, and not all of those that don't get caught. Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jobs lined up. Otherwise,
the government would have turned them over to said sponsors before the
local governors got a chance to ask them if they want to travel to NYC, Chicago, DC, or another proclaimed "sanctuary city" and put them on a bus.

Illegal immigration is a problem and does neet to be dealt with, but the solution to that problem should not be taken out on legal refugees.

Similarly, illegal immigrants should not be lumped in with legal refugees
as "refugees." You make a distiction here. Others often do not.


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On 04 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

What was border security like in the 1880s when your family arrived in t US? Were the borders more, or less, open than they are now? How did that affect our national sovereignty? What was the driving force behind the c in border policy? Answer those questions correctly and I think you'll ha much more accurate understanding of "America First."

Considering that most immigrants were coming across the Atlantic by boat... the boats would arrive and the immigrants would be processed through processing stations like Ellis Island, where the ship master
would present paperwork that was supposed to account for each
immigrating person aboard his ship. They were not all automatically accepted or "set loose" in NYC. Some where quaranteened for observation, others were turned away outright. Having a job already lined up, or relatives already in the country, was a plus.

Was a visa required? Did arrival need to be pre-arranged in any way? Were people turned away by default unless they had reason to be here, or were they allowed in by default unless there was reason to believe that they should not be here?

If someone crosses the southern border now, at a legal crossing point, they go through at least some of the same treatment.

It's actually more stringent now.

But not all of
them cross at legal crossings, and not all of those that don't get
caught.

True. But the refugees who cross seeking asylum generally turn themselves in
at the first opportunity. Their situation makes them seek out the authorities rather than avoid them. They are doing things the legal way.

A big part of the anti-refugee propaganda is making them out to be illegal immigrants, which they are not.

Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jobs
lined up.

There are organizations that will sponsor them.

Otherwise, the government would have turned them over to said
sponsors before the local governors got a chance to ask them if they
want to travel to NYC, Chicago, DC, or another proclaimed "sanctuary
city" and put them on a bus.

Organizations that will sponsor them are usually located in larger cities.

I like how you threw "sanctuary city" in there. "Sanctuary cities" are distinguished by their treatment of illegal immigrants, not refugees. You've been brainwashed into thinking that refugees are illegal immigrants, when
they are not.

Illegal immigration is a problem and does neet to be dealt with, but the solution to that problem should not be taken out on legal refugees.

Similarly, illegal immigrants should not be lumped in with legal refugees as "refugees." You make a distiction here. Others often do not.

The Border Patrol also makes that distinction, and regularly deports illegal immigrants.

Jeff.

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But not all of
them cross at legal crossings, and not all of those that don't get caught.

True. But the refugees who cross seeking asylum generally turn themselves in at the first opportunity. Their situation makes them seek out the authorities rather than avoid them. They are doing things the legal way.

A big part of the anti-refugee propaganda is making them out to be illegal immigrants, which they are not.

For me it is the ease of being able to yell "asylum!" and suddenly be considered legal or potentially legal. If they really wanted asylum, they should have crossed at a legal checkpoint. If they are not, they are
hoping not to encounter someone, although I am certain they know to act as
if they were looking for that encounter all along should it happen.

Maybe you are that naive.

Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jobs
lined up.

There are organizations that will sponsor them.

In past, you told us they had to have sponsors lined up already. Which is
it?

Otherwise, the government would have turned them over to said
sponsors before the local governors got a chance to ask them if they want to travel to NYC, Chicago, DC, or another proclaimed "sanctuary city" and put them on a bus.

Organizations that will sponsor them are usually located in larger cities.

I like how you threw "sanctuary city" in there. "Sanctuary cities" are distinguished by their treatment of illegal immigrants, not refugees. You've been brainwashed into thinking that refugees are illegal immigrants, when they are not.

But there are no illegal immigrants that don't get turned away, right?

The Border Patrol also makes that distinction, and regularly deports illegal immigrants.

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On 04 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

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On 17 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

If someone crosses the southern border now, at a legal crossing

point,

This appears to be an incomplete message.

Jeff.

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On 05 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

But not all of
them cross at legal crossings, and not all of those that don't get caught.

True. But the refugees who cross seeking asylum generally turn themselve at the first opportunity. Their situation makes them seek out the author rather than avoid them. They are doing things the legal way.
A big part of the anti-refugee propaganda is making them out to be illeg immigrants, which they are not.

For me it is the ease of being able to yell "asylum!" and suddenly be considered legal or potentially legal. If they really wanted asylum,
they should have crossed at a legal checkpoint. If they are not, they
are hoping not to encounter someone, although I am certain they know to act as if they were looking for that encounter all along should it
happen.

Refugees seeking asylum go through a vetting process. Not all are allowed through.

Maybe you are that naive.

Or maybe you are.

Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jobs lined up.

There are organizations that will sponsor them.

In past, you told us they had to have sponsors lined up already. Which
is it?

It is a combination of both.

Otherwise, the government would have turned them over to said sponsors before the local governors got a chance to ask them if the want to travel to NYC, Chicago, DC, or another proclaimed "sanctuar city" and put them on a bus.

Organizations that will sponsor them are usually located in larger citie I like how you threw "sanctuary city" in there. "Sanctuary cities" are distinguished by their treatment of illegal immigrants, not refugees. Yo been brainwashed into thinking that refugees are illegal immigrants, whe they are not.

But there are no illegal immigrants that don't get turned away, right?

Absolutely there are.

The Border Patrol also makes that distinction, and regularly deports ill immigrants.

Jeff.

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But not all of
them cross at legal crossings, and not all of those that don't get
caught.

True. But the refugees who cross seeking asylum generally turn themselv
at the first opportunity. Their situation makes them seek out the autho
rather than avoid them. They are doing things the legal way.
A big part of the anti-refugee propaganda is making them out to be ille
immigrants, which they are not.

For me it is the ease of being able to yell "asylum!" and suddenly be considered legal or potentially legal. If they really wanted asylum, they should have crossed at a legal checkpoint. If they are not, they are hoping not to encounter someone, although I am certain they know to act as if they were looking for that encounter all along should it happen.

Refugees seeking asylum go through a vetting process. Not all are allowed through.

Maybe you are that naive.

Or maybe you are.

If they don't cross at a legal checkpoint to make sure they encounter authorities to surrender to, they are not refugees. They only claim to be
as part of pretending to turn themselves in when getting caught.

That is not naive.

Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jobs lined up.

There are organizations that will sponsor them.

In past, you told us they had to have sponsors lined up already. Which is it?

It is a combination of both.

Not how you used to tell it when arguing with Aaron or Gregory. Thanks for clarifying that.


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On 06 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

If they don't cross at a legal checkpoint to make sure they encounter authorities to surrender to, they are not refugees. They only claim to
be as part of pretending to turn themselves in when getting caught.

I see. And that's why they don't even try to cross the wall, but know that
they will be picked up on surveillance and that Border Patrol agents will
come to them, escort them through the wall, load them onto buses, and take
them to detention centers?

That is not naive.

Do you have evidence that "they only claim to be [refugees] as part of pretending to turn themselves in when getting caught?"

Apparently many of the legal ones do not have sponsors or jo lined up.

There are organizations that will sponsor them.

In past, you told us they had to have sponsors lined up already. W is it?

Not how you used to tell it when arguing with Aaron or Gregory. Thanks for clarifying that.

Sponsors are available for them.

Jeff.

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