• Real Freedom in the Free World

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Friday, October 28, 2022 18:19:23
    Every time you see a communist, let him
    know that his place is in North Korea or Iran, not in the free liberal West.

    First of all, rest assured that everyone of your communists are more than welcome here in Europe, escaping your fascism. We are *really* serious about our freedoms (freedom = liberty = liberalism) over here, including political as well as religious *freedom*.

    I guess next step is that you'll also want to kick out all your non-Christian fanatics to... well? whereto? The Muslim world? The Buddhist world? The Jewish world? The Secularised world (i.e. most of Europe)? What will you be left with then? Ah wait, yes of course, White Supremacists! What a nice society that will be...


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, October 28, 2022 19:10:57
    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    The sad fact is, that with better, non-biased education in the US, communism could even become an alternative to the present corporate bribery system.

    Communism is only about giving the working families what really belongs to them. After all, what company can earn a single dollar without it's workers?

    The only country that was even close to becoming communist was Albania, but that experiment didn't last long.

    Other than that I know of only three societies that has been/is communist:

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)



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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Friday, October 28, 2022 19:24:48
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends when other people's money ends?

    "Bjrn Felten">

    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian
    dictatorship.

    The sad fact is, that with better, non-biased education in the US, communism could even become an alternative to the present corporate
    bribery system.

    Communism is only about giving the working families what really belongs
    to them. After all, what company can earn a single dollar without it's workers?

    The only country that was even close to becoming communist was Albania, but that experiment didn't last long.

    Other than that I know of only three societies that has been/is
    communist:

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)



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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Friday, October 28, 2022 14:20:18
    On 28 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles.
    And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends when other people's money ends?

    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely realize that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles" makes no sense whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full display.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, October 28, 2022 20:39:31
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism e when other people's money ends?

    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely realize that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles"
    makes no sense whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full display.

    Jeff, it's actually yours that's on FULL DISPLAY. I hope he writes you back to tell you why because it will put you in your place completely! ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, October 28, 2022 21:41:16
    On 28 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist princ And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because commun when other people's money ends?
    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely realize that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles" makes no sense whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full display.
    Jeff, it's actually yours that's on FULL DISPLAY. I hope he writes you back to tell you why because it will put you in your place completely! ;)

    Communism (and socialism) both require community ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods. There is no such thing as "opening a company" under such a system, because there are no privately-owned companies.

    Why were you not able to "put [me] in [my] place completely?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:15:00
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (threat >MP> > leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods any way >MP> > can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he was >MP> running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.

    Yeah, it seems like someone has a case of selective amnesia.

    Social media has become even more prevalent since then, so it does seem amplified, but I feel like Obama's supporters were much more dedicated (and supportive) of Obama, where Biden's are more dedicated to disliking Trump
    or conservatives in general.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:29:00
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he was running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.

    I didn't see people getting worked up about those elections. People (left-leaning people) went mad when Trump ran for office, even after he served
    a nearly perfect 1st term.

    As I told Jeff, I think part of the difference now is that Obama's
    supporters were supporting Obama, where Binden's (and Hillary's, to an
    extent) seem to be more excited about/against Trump and conservatives.

    They should have went mad when Obama said he needed a 2nd term to make health care affordable.

    Some of those who voted for him the first time only, and later voted against Hillary, may have been upset about that, but I would classify them as Obama voters and not supporters.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, October 29, 2022 11:04:54
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because c when other people's money ends?
    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would sur realize that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist princip makes no sense whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting you ignorance on full display.
    Jeff, it's actually yours that's on FULL DISPLAY. I hope he writes yo back to tell you why because it will put you in your place completely

    Communism (and socialism) both require community ownership of the means
    of production, distribution, and exchange of goods. There is no such
    thing as "opening a company" under such a system, because there are no privately-owned companies.

    Why were you not able to "put [me] in [my] place completely?"

    He lives in a communist country. He's experienced it, while you get your data from MSNBC. But go ahead and tell him what communism is all about since you're the expert.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, October 29, 2022 17:24:00
    He lives in a communist country. He's experienced it, while you get your data from MSNBC. But go ahead and tell him what communism is all about since
    you're the expert.

    What is *your* main source of information?

    Have you tried Google?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:40:03
    On 29 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (t >MP> > leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods an >MP> > can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he w >MP> running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.
    Yeah, it seems like someone has a case of selective amnesia.
    Social media has become even more prevalent since then, so it does seem amplified, but I feel like Obama's supporters were much more dedicated (and supportive) of Obama, where Biden's are more dedicated to disliking Trump or conservatives in general.

    It could be said that many of Trump's 2016 supporters were much more
    dedicated to disliking Hillary than supportive of Trump.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:56:44
    On 29 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Jeff, it's actually yours that's on FULL DISPLAY. I hope he writ back to tell you why because it will put you in your place compl
    Communism (and socialism) both require community ownership of the mea of production, distribution, and exchange of goods. There is no such thing as "opening a company" under such a system, because there are n privately-owned companies.
    Why were you not able to "put [me] in [my] place completely?"
    He lives in a communist country. He's experienced it, while you get your data from MSNBC. But go ahead and tell him what communism is all about since you're the expert.

    It's possible to know quite a bit about communism without having lived under
    an authoritarian from of it. Not that I'd necessarily want to, nor would I recommend it. But it is what it is, and it is not inherently evil.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sunday, October 30, 2022 04:14:02
    Hello Bjrn,

    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    The sad fact is, that with better, non-biased education in the US, communism
    could even become an alternative to the present corporate bribery system.

    It is impossible to educate the stupids. Might as well save public
    funds by not even trying.

    Communism is only about giving the working families what really belongs to them. After all, what company can earn a single dollar without it's workers?

    How to motivate those workers. That is the problem with what should
    be called "cesspool" capitalism. Without a living wage, how can those
    workers be expected to produce anything of real value?

    The only country that was even close to becoming communist was Albania, but
    that experiment didn't last long.

    Mother Teresa and her order did wonders, even with no capital.
    And the world applauded her for her efforts. But the people of
    Albania remain as poor as they always were. Why is that?

    Other than that I know of only three societies that has been/is communist:

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)

    Not communist, but communitarian. Big difference.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sunday, October 30, 2022 04:14:17
    Hello Roman,

    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends when other people's money ends?

    What is capital?

    "Bjrn Felten">

    Wrong answer.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sunday, October 30, 2022 04:14:32
    Hello Bjrn,

    Every time you see a communist, let him
    know that his place is in North Korea or Iran, not in the free liberal
    West.

    First of all, rest assured that everyone of your communists are more than welcome here in Europe, escaping your fascism. We are *really* serious
    about our freedoms (freedom = liberty = liberalism) over here, including political as well as religious *freedom*.

    "The radical left believes that the freedom of religion is the freedom
    from religion." ~ Mike Pence, former VPOTUS

    I guess next step is that you'll also want to kick out all your non-Christian fanatics to... well? whereto? The Muslim world? The Buddhist world? The Jewish world? The Secularised world (i.e. most of Europe)? What will you be left with then? Ah wait, yes of course, White Supremacists! What a nice society that will be...

    A Christian Nation. As the Framers of the US Constitution intended.

    Including Amendment I, ratified December 15, 1791.

    Mike Pence be damned.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 30, 2022 09:47:19
    Despite all
    of the sex, violence, and morally questionable behavior in it, though, they
    never seem to want to ban the Bible.

    Oh yes, that too:

    A Texas school district has pulled all versions of the Bible and the graphic novel version of Anne Frank's Diary from its library shelves ahead of the start of the school year. The ban happened in Keller, Texas -- a suburb in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9j/texas-school-bans-the-bible

    ( https://tinyurl.com/vnazyby8 )


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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:26:42
    Cultural Marxism at its finest. They believe that the nuclear family breeds
    an authoritarian personality type. Therefore, in order to nip the dictators
    in the bud, they are trying to destroy the nuclear families. Cultural
    Marxists believe that only LGBT people can raise mentally sane children. And nuclear families are the source of fascism. In general, of course, WEF is a collection of leftist idiots. But unfortunately, their agents have
    penetrated all the cultural and educational institutions of the West. Thus, seeking administrative power, they impose "an agenda" on the majority. Some cultural Marxists do not even know that they are fulfilling the precepts of Marcuso. Because this terrorist ideology is presented to them as modern socially progressive.

    "Bjrn Felten" <Bj"rn Felten> news:184.dbf3d71c.635e2bfe@bbs.erb.pw...
    Despite all
    of the sex, violence, and morally questionable behavior in it, though,
    they
    never seem to want to ban the Bible.

    Oh yes, that too:

    A Texas school district has pulled all versions of the Bible and the graphic novel version of Anne Frank's Diary from its library shelves ahead of the start of the school year. The ban happened in Keller, Texas -- a suburb in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzv9j/texas-school-bans-the-bible

    ( https://tinyurl.com/vnazyby8 )


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:42:00
    The part about "gladly embracing either" was true, though. Even if they didn't demonstrate it in the same way. If you didn't pick up on that, you must not have been paying attention.

    No, it wasn't. Of course Democrats were upset that they lost, and that's acceptable. There was no attempt to retain power after losing the election.

    None.

    You are ignoring what I said. There were many that would have
    indeed embraced either if it would have kept Obama, or put Hillary, in
    power. They lacked an impetus to do so, and I never said there was one.

    You seem to lack the ability to differentiate between the desire for
    something and the action to make it happen. Just because the organized
    action was lacking doesn't mean the desire was not there.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:15:00
    As I told Jeff, I think part of the difference now is that Obama's supporters were supporting Obama, where Binden's (and Hillary's, to an extent) seem to be more excited about/against Trump and conservatives.

    That's still the theme: "Vote Democrat or be labeled as a Trump supporter!"

    Indeed. "If you are not voting Democrat you are a cazy MAGA" is what a lot
    of the political ads running in my TV markets tell me.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:42:00
    Why were you not able to "put [me] in [my] place completely?"

    He lives in a communist country. He's experienced it, while you get your data from MSNBC. But go ahead and tell him what communism is all about since you're
    the expert.

    Former communist country. I am not sure how old he is, but I am sure his family experienced it. Anyone I know who used to live in a communist
    country and that has come here tells it much different than those here who think it isn't so bad or that it'd be great.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 30, 2022 13:34:05
    As I told Jeff, I think part of the difference now is that Obama's supporters were supporting Obama, where Binden's (and Hillary's, to an extent) seem to be more excited about/against Trump and conservatives.

    That's still the theme: "Vote Democrat or be labeled as a Trump supporter!"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Sunday, October 30, 2022 13:35:48
    He lives in a communist country. He's experienced it, while you get y data from MSNBC. But go ahead and tell him what communism is all abou since
    you're the expert.

    What is *your* main source of information?

    Have you tried Google?

    Spoken language is my main source of information. A real anthropologist
    doesn't gather data from Google, unless their area of specialty is garbology.

    I can watch a 6 hour documentary on Communism, but it only takes 5 seconds for a real human (who has experienced it) to tell me the real deal.

    Eye-witnesses of communism are warning that the USA is on the same path that their country was on priot to the big transition.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, October 30, 2022 13:38:10
    It's possible to know quite a bit about communism without having lived under an authoritarian from of it. Not that I'd necessarily want to, nor would I recommend it. But it is what it is, and it is not inherently
    evil.

    Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America. They
    will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansing, it's all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like you learn how to forgive that Republican scout master who made you this way.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sunday, October 30, 2022 18:44:21
    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not communists.

    <Aaron Thomas>
    It's possible to know quite a bit about communism without having lived under an authoritarian from of it. Not that I'd necessarily want to,
    nor
    would I recommend it. But it is what it is, and it is not inherently evil.

    Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America. They will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansing, it's
    all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like you learn how to forgive
    that Republican scout master who made you this way.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 30, 2022 20:41:19
    You don't have any specifics to accompany your vagueness.

    Does living in a socialist, leftist, commie shit hell like Sweden count? As far as the rest of the world think of us poor bastards up here in the north of Europe, it seems like we are doing just fine on any metrics. Not you, so much, down on 28th place and counting...

    And yes, I'll refrain from posting all the relevant statistics here, since you have this "real human" that, in five seconds, will "tell you the real deal". I know a brainwashed Redneck Hillbilly when I see one.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 30, 2022 14:37:15
    On 30 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's possible to know quite a bit about communism without having live under an authoritarian from of it. Not that I'd necessarily want to, would I recommend it. But it is what it is, and it is not inherently evil.
    Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America.
    They will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansing, it's all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like
    you learn how to forgive that Republican scout master who made you this way.

    No one wants that. You're confused and brainwashed to demonize Democrats.

    You are also attempting to employ a logical fallacy known as the "Slippery Slope."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 30, 2022 14:39:58
    On 30 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The part about "gladly embracing either" was true, though. Even if didn't demonstrate it in the same way. If you didn't pick up on th you must not have been paying attention.
    No, it wasn't. Of course Democrats were upset that they lost, and that's acceptable. There was no attempt to retain power after losing the electi None.
    You are ignoring what I said. There were many that would have
    indeed embraced either if it would have kept Obama, or put Hillary, in power. They lacked an impetus to do so, and I never said there was one. You seem to lack the ability to differentiate between the desire for something and the action to make it happen. Just because the organized action was lacking doesn't mean the desire was not there.

    And what exactly is your evidence for this "desire?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 30, 2022 21:42:48
    will that start happening?

    You haven't seen any of it? WOW! That tells a lot about *you*.

    Sure, I got the $1400, but I didn't ask for it. I didn't need it.

    So either you lied when you said you haven't seen any of it, or you're lying now about having not only seen it, but even received it.

    Which one of the two lies will you now admit to?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Sunday, October 30, 2022 14:48:35
    On 30 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not
    communists.

    Nah, conservatives get banned for hate speech, threats, and lies. If those things are central to your belief system, then I'd suggest looking for a new belief system.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Sunday, October 30, 2022 15:02:51
    On 30 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Cultural Marxism at its finest. They believe that the nuclear family breeds an authoritarian personality type. Therefore, in order to nip the dictators in the bud, they are trying to destroy the nuclear families. Cultural Marxists believe that only LGBT people can raise mentally sane children. And nuclear families are the source of fascism. In general, of course, WEF is a collection of leftist idiots. But unfortunately, their agents have penetrated all the cultural and educational institutions of the West. Thus, seeking administrative power, they impose "an agenda" on the majority. Some cultural Marxists do not even know that they are fulfilling the precepts of Marcuso. Because this terrorist ideology is presented to them as modern socially progressive.

    Uh, no. an LGBT-headed nuclear family would function the same as a cis-male-headed nuclear family.

    There is no "Leave It To Beaver" nuclear family. All families have challenges and issues, and they can range from fairly healthy to entirely dysfunctional. How families choose (and/or try) to portray themselves to the outside world
    can be vastly different from what goes on behind closed doors.

    That said, a LGBT-headed nuclear family is not necessarily more or less
    healthy than a cis-male-headed one. There are cis-male-headed families that
    are healthier than LGBT-headed ones, and there are LGBT-headed ones that are healthier than cis-male-headed ones.

    Therefore, I would suggest that either:
    A) Communists do not believe what you say they believe, or
    B) the people you accuse of being Communists are not, in fact, Communists.

    Only one of those can be true.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Björn Felten on Sunday, October 30, 2022 15:04:53
    On 30 Oct 2022, Bjrn Felten said the following...
    will that start happening?
    You haven't seen any of it? WOW! That tells a lot about *you*.
    Sure, I got the $1400, but I didn't ask for it. I didn't need it.
    So either you lied when you said you haven't seen any of it, or
    you're lying now about having not only seen it, but even received it.
    Which one of the two lies will you now admit to?

    Touche.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 30, 2022 23:53:39
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not communists.
    There's no rule against speaking about communism on here.

    Indeed, there is not. Nor is there any rule against speaking about
    capitalism, socialism, authoritarianism, despotism, libertarianism, totalitarianism, antidisestablimentarianism, etc.

    It would be helpful, though, if you actually knew something about whatever you're posting about.

    These leftists
    (globalist-minded BBS people) are on a mission to defend everything the media says, so the things you say are shocking to them.

    No they're not. They're just false.

    They can't
    imagine any reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    Not true, Fox-News-boy.

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    The other group of American people in here are conservatives. Conservatives are like the "worker bees," because they work hard for
    their money, and they have curiosity and concern about how the
    government spends income tax revenue.

    Hmm. And how do the "worker bees" feel about living under a monarchy? As you can see, your metaphor is nonsense.

    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they actually want to see it collapse.

    Drone bees do not want the colony to collapse. Where did you learn about bees?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, October 30, 2022 20:13:05
    Former communist country. I am not sure how old he is, but I am sure his family experienced it. Anyone I know who used to live in a communist country and that has come here tells it much different than those here
    who think it isn't so bad or that it'd be great.

    Authoritarianism is the final phase of communism. Deep down, the leftists know that's where they intend to take us, but they're excited about it.

    "Expect less." <- See? Even Biden knows about communism!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Roman Petrovich on Monday, October 31, 2022 01:35:40
    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not
    communists.

    There's no rule against speaking about communism on here. These leftists (globalist-minded BBS people) are on a mission to defend everything the media says, so the things you say are shocking to them. They can't imagine any
    reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    The other group of American people in here are conservatives. Conservatives are like the "worker bees," because they work hard for their money, and they have curiosity and concern about how the government spends income tax revenue.

    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they actually want to see it collapse.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Monday, October 31, 2022 02:37:27
    You don't have any specifics to accompany your vagueness.

    Does living in a socialist, leftist, commie shit hell like Sweden count? As far as the rest of the world think of us poor bastards up here in the north of Europe, it seems like we are doing just fine on any metrics. Not you, so much, down on 28th place and counting...

    No! Sweden's not socialist enough. Yea, the USA is full of dumb asses. I agree with you on that.

    And yes, I'll refrain from posting all the relevant statistics here, since you have this "real human" that, in five seconds, will "tell you
    the real deal". I know a brainwashed Redneck Hillbilly when I see one.

    You got that 1/2 right, Buck-a-roo! ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Monday, October 31, 2022 02:48:44
    will that start happening?

    You haven't seen any of it? WOW! That tells a lot about *you*.

    Sure, I got the $1400, but I didn't ask for it. I didn't need it.

    So either you lied when you said you haven't seen any of it, or
    you're lying now about having not only seen it, but even received it.

    Which one of the two lies will you now admit to?

    Sorry to make you lose your erection, but these liberal handout checks were
    not part the Democrat infrastructure bills.

    Now do you see how bad Google is?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 08:29:59
    Sorry to make you lose your erection, but these liberal handout checks were
    not part the Democrat infrastructure bills.

    The infamous "moving the goalposts" tactic. That is what you were objecting to? Did you not understand what Dale was talking about?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 31, 2022 05:41:01
    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they actua want to see it collapse.

    Drone bees do not want the colony to collapse. Where did you learn about bees?

    Now you're a beekeeper!? Tell those bees what it's like to live in a hive! ;)

    (Since they don't use Google, they probably have NO CLUE!)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 07:57:28
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Authoritarianism is the final phase of communism. Deep down, the
    leftists know that's where they intend to take us, but they're excited about it.

    That's because these ignorant elitists believe that they are part of the ruling class. They don't understand that they are just "useful idiots" that will be disposed of.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 08:32:45
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they want to see it collapse.
    Drone bees do not want the colony to collapse. Where did you learn ab bees?
    Now you're a beekeeper!? Tell those bees what it's like to live in a
    hive! ;)

    Bee hives are stable, productive communities that exist because of, not despite, the efforts of all involved.

    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of
    subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 09:01:16
    On 30 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Former communist country. I am not sure how old he is, but I am sure family experienced it. Anyone I know who used to live in a communist country and that has come here tells it much different than those her who think it isn't so bad or that it'd be great.
    Authoritarianism is the final phase of communism. Deep down, the
    leftists know that's where they intend to take us, but they're excited about it.

    Authoritarianism is possible under any form of economic or political system. Trump is definitely an authoritarian.

    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the
    communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because it's too authoritarian.

    You guys should really get your stories straight.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Monday, October 31, 2022 15:12:42
    Sorry to make you lose your erection, but these liberal handout check were
    not part the Democrat infrastructure bills.

    The infamous "moving the goalposts" tactic. That is what you were objecting to? Did you not understand what Dale was talking about?

    I said this:

    AT> Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America.
    AT> will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansi
    AT> it's all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like you learn
    AT> to
    AT> forgive that Republican scout master who made you this way.

    Then you said:

    And your source of this information? Another real human that has experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?

    So I showed proof that people who were molested by Republicans hold a grudge, and they tolerate horrible Democrat atrocities because of it. (It's also possible that a Republican may have cased them a financial problem, but nah.)

    The stuff the Republicans want to do isn't bad stuff. Democrats just want control so they can get their hands on the loot & the leashes.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Monday, October 31, 2022 15:26:26
    Authoritarianism is the final phase of communism. Deep down, the leftists know that's where they intend to take us, but they're excite about it.

    That's because these ignorant elitists believe that they are part of the ruling class. They don't understand that they are just "useful idiots" that will be disposed of.

    It's hilarious now, but we'll feel sorry for them later.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 31, 2022 15:30:42
    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case want to see it collapse.
    Drone bees do not want the colony to collapse. Where did you lea bees?
    Now you're a beekeeper!? Tell those bees what it's like to live in a hive! ;)

    Bee hives are stable, productive communities that exist because of, not despite, the efforts of all involved.

    Yea I messed that one up a bit. But you guys will defend everything the media says, everything every Democrat does, and every Republican who votes out of lin with his party.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 31, 2022 16:04:02
    Authoritarianism is possible under any form of economic or political system. Trump is definitely an authoritarian.

    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because it's
    too authoritarian.

    Communism has a definition in Google's pc-dictionary, but obviously some people have it worse than others.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, October 31, 2022 16:28:00
    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because it's too authoritarian.

    Wanting to destroy it because it is something else for the individual to be loyal to, over the state, is not far-fetched. That is one of the reasons communists don't like religion.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 17:11:06
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Bee hives are stable, productive communities that exist because of, n despite, the efforts of all involved.
    Yea I messed that one up a bit. But you guys will defend everything the media says, everything every Democrat does, and every Republican who
    votes out of lin with his party.

    Not everything, but close. I will not defend Senator Menendez, if it turns
    out that he is corrupt, and I will not defend Hunter Biden if it turns out
    that he did actually commit crimes.

    You, on the other hands, cannot concede even the possibility that Trump did anything wrong. It sounds like you're describing yourself up there.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 17:14:34
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Authoritarianism is possible under any form of economic or political system. Trump is definitely an authoritarian.
    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because it' too authoritarian.
    Communism has a definition in Google's pc-dictionary, but obviously some people have it worse than others.

    You didn't address the discrepancy in your stories.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, October 31, 2022 17:23:57
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because it's t authoritarian.
    Wanting to destroy it because it is something else for the individual to be loyal to, over the state, is not far-fetched. That is one of the reasons communists don't like religion.

    Oddly enough, it took the US 184 years to elect a Catholic president because
    of fears that such a president would be more loyal to the Pope than to the country.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 07:48:01
    Hello Aaron,

    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not
    communists.

    There's no rule against speaking about communism on here.

    Of course not. This is the POLITICS echo. Where anything goes.
    No moderators allowed, with moderators being their own moderators.
    Isn't that nice? Kinda neat, the way I look at it.

    These leftists (globalist-minded BBS people) are on a mission to defend everything the media says, so the things you say are shocking to them. They
    can't imagine any reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    I know deaf/blind folks who could care less about tv or what shows
    might be on such devices. Does that qualify them as "rightists" or
    something other than "leftists"?

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a few
    other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    What planet are you from? A drone's *only* role is to mate with a
    maiden queen in nuptial flight. Drones do not gather nectar or pollen.
    And do not have a stinger. A queen bee is a worker bee, the only worker
    bee that drone bees will mate with. Once their job is done, they just
    sit around and wait for the next one to come around.

    The other group of American people in here are conservatives. Conservatives
    are like the "worker bees," because they work hard for their money, and they have curiosity and concern about how the government spends income tax revenue.

    Dude, drone bees only mate with the maiden queen in nuptial flight.
    No other worker bee gets to enjoy the fun.

    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they actually want to see it collapse.

    Drone bees have no stinger, thus ensuring the queen bee's survival.
    And are always true to their mate, never cheating on her as long as
    she is alive. You see, a queen bee is female, and creates all the
    babies for the hive. If not for drone bees, bees could not survive.
    Which would mean the extinction of the human race. Albert Einstein
    said so himself.

    But it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 07:50:09
    Hello Jeff,

    Late we are threatened with a ban for the fact that we are not
    communists.
    There's no rule against speaking about communism on here.

    Indeed, there is not. Nor is there any rule against speaking about capitalism, socialism, authoritarianism, despotism, libertarianism, totalitarianism, antidisestablimentarianism, etc.

    The US Constitution mentions no economic system, or political parties.

    It would be helpful, though, if you actually knew something about whatever you're posting about.

    Be careful. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

    These leftists
    (globalist-minded BBS people) are on a mission to defend everything the
    media says, so the things you say are shocking to them.

    No they're not. They're just false.

    They can't
    imagine any reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    Not true, Fox-News-boy.

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and
    a
    few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that
    "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    The other group of American people in here are conservatives.
    Conservatives are like the "worker bees," because they work hard for
    their money, and they have curiosity and concern about how the
    government spends income tax revenue.

    Hmm. And how do the "worker bees" feel about living under a monarchy? As you
    can see, your metaphor is nonsense.

    All drones die for their queen.
    Just like all MAGA idiots die for their ...

    The "drones" don't care about the colony, and in this case they actually
    want to see it collapse.

    Drone bees do not want the colony to collapse. Where did you learn about bees?

    Once the queen dies there is no more need for a colony ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 08:43:21
    Hello Jeff,

    Bee hives are stable, productive communities that exist because
    of, n
    despite, the efforts of all involved.
    Yea I messed that one up a bit. But you guys will defend everything
    the
    media says, everything every Democrat does, and every Republican who
    votes out of lin with his party.

    Not everything, but close. I will not defend Senator Menendez, if it turns out that he is corrupt, and I will not defend Hunter Biden if it turns out that he did actually commit crimes.

    Shame on you! A person is supposed to be presumed innocent until
    proven guilty in this country of ours.

    Guilt by accusation was the norm in Nazi Germany. As well as in
    Stalinist Russia. And in Maoist China. And a few other places of
    note.

    But this is America. As described by Francis Scott Key in the last
    stanza of his famous poem, "The land of the free, and the home of the
    brave?"

    What wimps.

    You, on the other hands, cannot concede even the possibility that Trump did
    anything wrong. It sounds like you're describing yourself up there.

    Oh, come now. Every MAGA idiot knows Trump is always right.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 08:43:47
    Hello Jeff,

    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how the
    communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely because
    it's t
    authoritarian.
    Wanting to destroy it because it is something else for the individual
    to
    be loyal to, over the state, is not far-fetched. That is one of the
    reasons communists don't like religion.

    Oddly enough, it took the US 184 years to elect a Catholic president because
    of fears that such a president would be more loyal to the Pope than to the country.

    And less than 3 years to get rid of him. Nobody was ever charged,
    with no evidence shown the lone suspect had committed any crime at
    all.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 08:19:43
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's because these ignorant elitists believe that they are part of the ruling class. They don't understand that they are just "useful idiots" that will be disposed of.

    It's hilarious now, but we'll feel sorry for them later.

    I won't.

    I was just seeing that the Media wants a "Pandemic Amnesty".

    "We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID." -- The Atlantic.

    I won't forgive and I won't forget. And not just because I was right and they were wrong (but they still refuse to admit that). It's because they spread what they **knew** was not backed up by facts.

    I will be laughing at these useful idiots for the rest of my life. But then I always did have a streak of schadenfreude in me.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 00:56:07
    Not everything, but close. I will not defend Senator Menendez, if it
    turns out that he is corrupt, and I will not defend Hunter Biden if it turns out that he did actually commit crimes.

    You, on the other hands, cannot concede even the possibility that Trump did anything wrong. It sounds like you're describing yourself up there.

    I haven't seen any "evidence" that Trump did anything wrong, at least not by
    my standards, and not by the standards set by Biden.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 00:58:51
    Authoritarianism is possible under any form of economic or polit system. Trump is definitely an authoritarian.
    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about how communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely becaus too authoritarian.
    Communism has a definition in Google's pc-dictionary, but obviously s people have it worse than others.

    You didn't address the discrepancy in your stories.

    I'm not a communism expert. I never lived in a communist-controlled country before. Never even visited one. You're the communism expert, so you should probably tell the people who live under communism rule what it's like for them to live under communist rule.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 13:55:54
    On 01 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Authoritarianism is possible under any form of economic or system. Trump is definitely an authoritarian.
    In fact, your "communism expert" was just complaining about communists want to "destroy" the nuclear family precisely b too authoritarian.
    Communism has a definition in Google's pc-dictionary, but obviou people have it worse than others.
    You didn't address the discrepancy in your stories.
    I'm not a communism expert. I never lived in a communist-controlled country before. Never even visited one.

    So, in other words, your claim that authoritarianism is the end goal of communism is just some BS that you made up.

    You can dislike communism all you want but if it's so bad, why do you feel
    the need to lie about it?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 13:59:28
    On 01 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Not everything, but close. I will not defend Senator Menendez, if it turns out that he is corrupt, and I will not defend Hunter Biden if i turns out that he did actually commit crimes.
    You, on the other hands, cannot concede even the possibility that Tru did anything wrong. It sounds like you're describing yourself up ther
    I haven't seen any "evidence" that Trump did anything wrong, at least
    not by my standards, and not by the standards set by Biden.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 01:55:02
    Hello Aaron,

    Not everything, but close. I will not defend Senator Menendez, if it
    turns out that he is corrupt, and I will not defend Hunter Biden if it
    turns out that he did actually commit crimes.

    You, on the other hands, cannot concede even the possibility that Trump
    did anything wrong. It sounds like you're describing yourself up there.

    I haven't seen any "evidence" that Trump did anything wrong,

    Neither did those Republicans who refused to view it, as shown by
    their votes not to impeach or to remove him from office.

    at least not by my standards,

    No surprise there, since you have none.

    and not by the standards set by Biden.

    At least Biden has standards.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 19:02:30
    They
    can't imagine any reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    I know deaf/blind folks who could care less about tv or what shows
    might be on such devices. Does that qualify them as "rightists" or something other than "leftists"?

    If they don't care about what's being said by the media, then they are American rightists.

    What planet are you from? A drone's *only* role is to mate with a

    Everyone's a beekeeping expert except me :(

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 02:00:01
    I was just seeing that the Media wants a "Pandemic Amnesty".

    "We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID." -- The Atlantic.

    Are they talking about amnesty for the media or for elected officials?

    I'm guessing that it's just the elected liars who need "pandemic amnesty," because the media would need amnesty for more than just pandemic lies.

    Joe needs amnesty for saying "If ya take the vaccine you won't catch covid." That lie has likely cost lives. I don't think Trump will have much trouble
    with "some day this thing is gonna disappear" because it was too vague for anyone to bank on.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 22:18:36
    On 01 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I know deaf/blind folks who could care less about tv or what shows might be on such devices. Does that qualify them as "rightists" or something other than "leftists"?
    If they don't care about what's being said by the media, then they are American rightists.

    BS. A lot more goes into one's political leanings than what one sees or hears on TV.

    What planet are you from? A drone's *only* role is to mate with a
    Everyone's a beekeeping expert except me :(

    The information isn+t that hard to find. Well, for anyone except you, it
    seems.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 02:24:53
    You didn't address the discrepancy in your stories.
    I'm not a communism expert. I never lived in a communist-controlled country before. Never even visited one.

    So, in other words, your claim that authoritarianism is the end goal of communism is just some BS that you made up.

    Not something I made up, but something I learned from an eye witness.

    But I'm not going to insist that I'm correct about it, because I'm not yet at your level; some day, maybe I'll be capable of telling people who live under communism how great communism is. (And I'll say it like I really know what I'm talking about!)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 02:32:56
    I haven't seen any "evidence" that Trump did anything wrong,

    Neither did those Republicans who refused to view it, as shown by
    their votes not to impeach or to remove him from office.

    What evidence was there? I'm not well informed about all that Trump stuff. Is he the one who killed the cop, or is he the one who took a dump on Nancy's mousepad? (Hopefully she looks before she clicks!)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 08:16:10
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Are they talking about amnesty for the media or for elected officials?

    I'm guessing that it's just the elected liars who need "pandemic
    amnesty," because the media would need amnesty for more than just
    pandemic lies.

    That's my take as well.

    I just love when these Ignorant Elitists fail big time and they just want everyone to forget about it.

    But I notice that they want "amnesty" and they really aren't apologizing for their actions.

    Joe needs amnesty for saying "If ya take the vaccine you won't catch covid." That lie has likely cost lives. I don't think Trump will have
    much trouble with "some day this thing is gonna disappear" because it
    was too vague for anyone to bank on.

    I think Trump was naive and just accepted what the "experts" told him, not realizing that those "experts" had been compromized by the Elitists.

    The depth of the virology hoax is really deep.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 07:15:27
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So, in other words, your claim that authoritarianism is the end goal communism is just some BS that you made up.
    Not something I made up, but something I learned from an eye witness.

    An "eye witness" told you that the end goal of communism is authoritarianism? Any chance this "eye witness" was biased in any way? The goals of communism have been written about, and authoritarianism isn't one of them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 07:22:16
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So, in other words, your claim that authoritarianism is the end goal communism is just some BS that you made up.

    But I'm not going to insist that I'm correct about it,

    A wise plan of action, considering you're totally wrong about it.

    because I'm not
    yet at your level;

    Yeah, that would require actually researching your claims.

    some day, maybe I'll be capable of telling people who
    live under communism how great communism is. (And I'll say it like I really know what I'm talking about!)

    Correcting lies about communism and \telling people who live under communism how great communism is" are two different things. You got caught lying, and
    now are trying to accuse me of something I haven't done.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 13:08:54
    I just love when these Ignorant Elitists fail big time and they just want everyone to forget about it.

    Everyone makes mistakes, but not fatal and/or dishonest COVID mistakes; those kinds of mistakes were only made by ultra-wealthy elitists.

    But I notice that they want "amnesty" and they really aren't apologizing for their actions.

    Apologies from Democrats don't get addressed to American citizens; that's not profitable.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 13:47:12
    So, in other words, your claim that authoritarianism is the end communism is just some BS that you made up.
    Not something I made up, but something I learned from an eye witness.

    An "eye witness" told you that the end goal of communism is authoritarianism? Any chance this "eye witness" was biased in any way?
    The goals of communism have been written about, and authoritarianism
    isn't one of them.

    Yea, it's possible that the eye witness is biased against communism because he is having a terrible experience with it.

    Authoritarianism is not one of their collective goals; it's an inadvertant reaction they get after trying to suppress the will of an entire population.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 09:31:32
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Yea, it's possible that the eye witness is biased against communism because he is having a terrible experience with it.

    And this bias may lead him to make untrue statements, no?

    Authoritarianism is not one of their collective goals; it's an
    inadvertant reaction they get after trying to suppress the will of an entire population.

    You said previously that it was the end goal of communism.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 10:03:23
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Authoritarianism is not one of their collective goals; it's an
    inadvertant reaction they get after trying to suppress the will of an entire population.

    Authoritarianism generally occurs when one party eliminates all political opposition by force. Is this what the GOP is trying to do by stoking hatred
    and violence?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 18:40:25
    Hello Aaron,

    They
    can't imagine any reason to doubt the words they hear on TV.

    I know deaf/blind folks who could care less about tv or what shows
    might be on such devices. Does that qualify them as "rightists" or
    something other than "leftists"?

    If they don't care about what's being said by the media, then they are American rightists.

    If one cannot see, or hear, what is being said, how can they care about whatever is being said?

    What planet are you from? A drone's *only* role is to mate with a

    Everyone's a beekeeping expert except me :(

    Certainly you do understand the difference between male and female?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 18:40:33
    Hello Aaron,

    I haven't seen any "evidence" that Trump did anything wrong,

    Neither did those Republicans who refused to view it, as shown by
    their votes not to impeach or to remove him from office.

    What evidence was there?

    Plenty.

    I'm not well informed about all that Trump stuff.

    The members of Congress were.

    Is he the one who killed the cop, or is he the one who took a dump on Nancy's mousepad? (Hopefully she looks before she clicks!)

    Members of Congress know what crimes he was guilty of. Including
    those who never bothered to view the evidence.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 17:52:00
    An "eye witness" told you that the end goal of communism is authoritarianism? Any chance this "eye witness" was biased in any way? The goals of communism have been written about, and authoritarianism isn't one of them.

    The end goal, no, but it is the means by which they reach their ends of a communist government and society. They probably don't advertise that, or
    no one would want to be one.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 17:16:58
    On 02 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    An "eye witness" told you that the end goal of communism is authoritaria Any chance this "eye witness" was biased in any way? The goals of commun have been written about, and authoritarianism isn't one of them.
    The end goal, no, but it is the means by which they reach their ends of a communist government and society. They probably don't advertise that, or no one would want to be one.

    Aaron claimed that authoritarianism is the end goal of communism. Both you
    and he have now tried to move the goalposts.

    Authoritarianism can arise under any form of government or economy; it is not limited to communism.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, November 03, 2022 18:29:00
    An "eye witness" told you that the end goal of communism is authoritari
    Any chance this "eye witness" was biased in any way? The goals of commu
    have been written about, and authoritarianism isn't one of them.
    The end goal, no, but it is the means by which they reach their ends of a
    communist government and society. They probably don't advertise that, or
    no one would want to be one.

    Aaron claimed that authoritarianism is the end goal of communism. Both you and he have now tried to move the goalposts.

    He claimed it. I am saying it is not necessarilly an end goal but is the
    means by which they reach their ends. They were not my goalposts to move.

    Authoritarianism can arise under any form of government or economy; it is not limited to communism.

    That is like "a square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are
    squares." In this case, the "square" (Communism) is always a "rectangle" (authoritarian), while other forms of government or economy might be
    rectangles or might be other shapes entirely.

    I would rather try one that might be another shape than the one that is
    always a rectangle.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, November 03, 2022 18:55:55
    On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Aaron claimed that authoritarianism is the end goal of communism. Both y and he have now tried to move the goalposts.
    He claimed it. I am saying it is not necessarilly an end goal but is the means by which they reach their ends. They were not my goalposts to
    move.

    It is a means to reach an end goal for many, not just communists. For
    example, American Republicans are heading that way quite quickly.

    Authoritarianism can arise under any form of government or economy; it i limited to communism.
    That is like "a square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares." In this case, the "square" (Communism) is always a "rectangle" (authoritarian), while other forms of government or economy might be rectangles or might be other shapes entirely.

    Every form of government can devolve to authoritarianism. Communism often
    does, but does not necessarily need to.

    I would rather try one that might be another shape than the one that is always a rectangle.

    All governments are rectangles in this analogy. There is no government that
    is not immune to authoritarianism.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, November 04, 2022 16:37:00
    I would rather try one that might be another shape than the one that is always a rectangle.

    All governments are rectangles in this analogy. There is no government that is not immune to authoritarianism.

    No, they are not always rectangles. They are not immune, but they are not automatically going to have to be authoritarian in order to get a previosly free populus to follow them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, November 04, 2022 19:24:14
    On 04 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would rather try one that might be another shape than the one tha always a rectangle.
    All governments are rectangles in this analogy. There is no government t is not immune to authoritarianism.
    No, they are not always rectangles. They are not immune, but they are
    not automatically going to have to be authoritarian in order to get a previosly free populus to follow them.

    All governments, including our own, have peoplewho don't want to follow them. Communism doesn't automatically have to be authoritarian in order to govern. Also, not all people who are subject to a new government were previously "free."

    A better indicator of authoritarianism is corruption, and no government is immune from that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, November 05, 2022 10:14:00
    All governments, including our own, have peoplewho don't want to follow them.

    The difference being that you are allowed to speak out and show your
    disdain for our government, within reason. Very few communist countries
    have put up for very long with citizens who speak out or show their
    disdain, especially if it starts to draw crowds.

    If the Summer of 2020, or 1/6, had happened in a Communist country, the government would have very quickly turned on the protesters. The leaders
    would have been killed or "disappeared," and hundreds others would have been killed or banished to some labor camp. There are plenty of historical
    events to support this, while there are very, very few that support a "no
    they wouldn't" point of view.

    Yes, those things can happen in other types of governments, but they are
    very close to a given in a Communist one.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, November 05, 2022 11:43:46
    On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    All governments, including our own, have peoplewho don't want to follow
    The difference being that you are allowed to speak out and show your disdain for our government, within reason. Very few communist countries have put up for very long with citizens who speak out or show their disdain, especially if it starts to draw crowds.
    If the Summer of 2020, or 1/6, had happened in a Communist country, the government would have very quickly turned on the protesters. The leaders would have been killed or "disappeared," and hundreds others would have been killed or banished to some labor camp. There are plenty of historical events to support this, while there are very, very few that support a "no they wouldn't" point of view.

    Trump is documented as asking why the BLM protesters couldn't be shot in the legs.

    Yes, those things can happen in other types of governments, but they are very close to a given in a Communist one.

    Not necessarily. It's more a function of how corrupt the government is.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Sunday, November 06, 2022 02:30:26
    [..]

    If the Summer of 2020, or 1/6, had happened in a Communist country, the government would have very quickly turned on the protesters.

    President Donald J. Trump incited a riot on January 6, and those
    rioters invaded the Capital building, doing lots of damage and also
    threatened to kill Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and hang Vice President
    Mike Pence. AFAIK, the USA is not a communist country. But does have
    fascist tendencies, as demonstrated on January 6.

    The leaders would have been killed or "disappeared," and hundreds others would have been killed or banished to some labor camp.

    The leader (Donald J. Trump) praised the rioters and egged them on.
    At no time did he threaten to have them arrested or banished to some
    labor camp.

    There are plenty of historical events to support this, while there are very,
    very few that support a "no they wouldn't" point of view.

    The J6 Committee has shown all Americans what happened that day.
    And why Donald J. Trump & Co. remain a clear and present danger to
    this country and its people.

    Yes, those things can happen in other types of governments, but they are very close to a given in a Communist one.

    Donald J. Trump would love to transform this country into an
    autocracy, with himself at the top. The American people showed
    him what they thought of that idea, by electing Joe Biden as
    his replacement. It wasn't even close, with Biden winning the
    popular vote by over 7 million votes.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, November 06, 2022 08:51:00
    If the Summer of 2020, or 1/6, had happened in a Communist country, the government would have very quickly turned on the protesters. The leaders
    would have been killed or "disappeared," and hundreds others would have been killed or banished to some labor camp. There are plenty of historical events to support this, while there are very, very few that support a "no they wouldn't" point of view.

    Trump is documented as asking why the BLM protesters couldn't be shot in the legs.

    If we were a Communist country, it would not have been just the legs and
    the answer would have been "yes, we can."

    Yes, those things can happen in other types of governments, but they are very close to a given in a Communist one.

    Not necessarily. It's more a function of how corrupt the government is.

    So all Communist governments are/have been corrupt. I can live with that.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, November 06, 2022 16:17:45
    On 06 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Trump is documented as asking why the BLM protesters couldn't be shot in legs.
    If we were a Communist country, it would not have been just the legs and the answer would have been "yes, we can."

    Trump advocated physical violence by the military against peaceful
    protesters. That his subordinates failed to follow through on his wishes does speak well for our country, but the fact that we've had leaders who have even considered such a thing is very troubling.

    Yes, those things can happen in other types of governments, but the very close to a given in a Communist one.
    Not necessarily. It's more a function of how corrupt the government is.
    So all Communist governments are/have been corrupt. I can live with
    that.

    Pretty much all, yes. And a good number of non-communist governments as well.

    Jeff.

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