I'm concerned about the possibility of a liberal defeating Trump in

2020.

It's not a possibility, it's a lead pipe cinch. Trump's had four years
of continuous bad press.

I've been trying to figure out which one is the lesser of evil, and

all

choices are pretty rocky. At the same time, I'm willing to take any

GOP

candidate over any of the announced Democrat candidates. With that

being the

case, I'm wondering if I should change my party to Democrat, just so

I can

vote in the primary?

Is there a democrat candidate who supports border security?

No.

Joe Biden might be as worthless as Obama, Kamala Harris & Cory Booker

are

obstructionists, Bernie Sanders is a crybaby hypocrite, Elizabeth

Warren

wants her land back, Beto maybe? What's terrible about him?

He's a massive hypocrite (like most Corruptocrats). He wants
everybody - except him - to live like the Amish do - no electricity, no phones, no Internet, no gasoline powered vehicles, no airplanes, etc.
etc. etc.

If you have anything at all, vote Corruptocrat and in short order
you'll be homeless and penniless.
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wants her land back, Beto maybe? What's terrible about him? Probably a lot, but then again, *could* he be my primary guy?

I think Beto fashions himself as another, but more socialist, Obama.
Hollywood seemed to really like him when he was running against Cruz.
Hollywood backing is enough to put me off of him.

Do you really think that your one vote is going to change who wins their primary?

On the other hand, I think there were some Democrats (and not very smart
ones) in the states that allow you to vote in either (but not both)
primaries who voted in the Republican primary for Trump. The theory being
that he'd be a push over for Hillary. That did not work out too well for
them.

I personally don't think that states should allow that, but they do and probably for the very reason I outlined above. It is corrupt and fits
their way of doing things.

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Hello aaron!

19 Mar 19 16:03, you wrote to all:

I'm concerned about the possibility of a liberal defeating Trump in
2020. I've been trying to figure out which one is the lesser of evil,
and all choices are pretty rocky. At the same time, I'm willing to
take any GOP candidate over any of the announced Democrat candidates.
With that being the case, I'm wondering if I should change my party to Democrat, just so I can vote in the primary?

Is there a democrat candidate who supports border security?

There are many. Just maybe not in the way you want them to.

Joe Biden might be as worthless as Obama, Kamala Harris & Cory Booker
are obstructionists, Bernie Sanders is a crybaby hypocrite, Elizabeth Warren wants her land back, Beto maybe? What's terrible about him? Probably a lot, but then again, *could* he be my primary guy?

Beto was a BBS Sysop and member of The Cult of the Dead Cow (cDc) in the late 80s. ( https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-politics-beto-orourke/ )




Mike


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Good, because he will ... be defeated.

I love Trump. But, who do we want to see win from the Democratic primary? And why?

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He's a massive hypocrite (like most Corruptocrats). He wants
everybody - except him - to live like the Amish do - no electricity, no

What's the reason for that? Trying to save the environment or what?

Some liberal gimmicks can and should be negotiated with Republicans. If they want carbon emissions cut, we can sign off on that, but only if they will
sign off on ending sanctuary cities, for example.

I'm in favor of nationwide marijuana legalization, but I'd tell the democrats "Ok, we're all gonna get stoned, but in return, I want tougher penalties for other drug offenses."

I know I'm not the first person to think this way, so why doesn't it happen? They just won't budge on anything; instead, they get more creative with ridiculousness, even talking about changing stuff around (supreme court, electoral college) just so they can suppress conservative efforts.

Is he one of those types? It's really hard for me to try to love one of these things! Tell me he saved a puppy or something? :)

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Do you really think that your one vote is going to change who wins their primary?

If I thought I could start a trend that leads us to a better future, I would try.

probably for the very reason I outlined above. It is corrupt and fits their way of doing things.

You're right. Resorting to corruption isn't the way to fix things. I should have known better. Thanks for helping me solve that moral dilemma.

I guess if a democrat wins then we just deal with it, I guess by
strengthening our other branches of government the best we can.

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Good, because he will ... be defeated.

I love Trump. But, who do we want to see win from the Democratic primary? And why?

My answer would be "Anyone".

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I guess if a democrat wins then we just deal with it, I guess by strengthening our other branches of government the best we can.

You're not looking for an honest politician, are you? :-) :-)

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Is there a democrat candidate who supports border security?

There are many. Just maybe not in the way you want them to.

Which ones(s)? How do they want to handle it?

Beto was a BBS Sysop and member of The Cult of the Dead Cow (cDc) in
the late 80s. (

That's something I might be able to appreciate. Unless he ran Wildcat!? :)

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I guess if a democrat wins then we just deal with it, I guess by strengthening our other branches of government the best we can.

You're not looking for an honest politician, are you? :-) :-)

No, of course not, just a regular democrat who's not too terrible. Maybe like
a Jimmy Carter type of guy?

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Good, because he will ... be defeated.

I love Trump. But, who do we want to see win from the Democratic primary? And why?

Trump seems to enjoy the idea of running against Biden or Beto, per an
article from an interview late in the week.

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No, of course not, just a regular democrat who's not too terrible. Maybe like >a Jimmy Carter type of guy?

He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a thing during his term.

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No, of course not, just a regular democrat who's not too terrible. Maybe >like a Jimmy Carter type of guy?

He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a
thing during his term.

We also now know that what Reagan did just prior to the elections in order to win the presidency from him, today would be grounds for impeachment.

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I guess if a democrat wins then we just deal with it, I guess by strengthening our other branches of government the best we can.

You're not looking for an honest politician, are you? :-) :-)

There's no such thing in this country, I made that statement back in
1990 and nothing has changed since. In this country the term 'corrupt politician' is redundant
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You're not looking for an honest politician, are you? :-) :-)

There's no such thing in this country, I made that statement back in
1990 and nothing has changed since. In this country the term 'corrupt politician' is redundant

I think it's universal ...

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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=

He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a thing during his term.

I always remember about the "misery index" shooting up under Jimmehy.

Later,
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Hi Ward,

I think it's universal ...

I always think that politics translates to "many bloodsuckers".

A thought:
Death and taxes will always be with us but at least death won't get any worse.

:P

Later,
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I think I understand what you mean. We can't just get the president we
want
and expect them to fix everything without Congress & US Senate. The lack
of
interest in Congress & Senate could be why we have such ridiculous people getting elected.

Exactly. It has become a pissing contest.

All power should lie in a multi-party Congress where there are no absolute majorities and they have to reach compromise. The President then should be elected by that Congress, should have no outspoken powers, very ceremonial being the face of that country and representing it in a ceremonial way as our monarchs have been doing lately and be of high moral standing like Eisenhower was. Schwarwkopf also would have been a good President.

Just think about why military leaders make good Presidents...

Also, the president should be denied a cellphone and a Twitter account.

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Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your opinion?

I'm not really interested in any of the names showing up. I don't like anything
on the GOP-side either.

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advising the freshman Democratic congress class. His message was that, while they should not stop dreaming big, that they also had to remember
to figure out where the money would come from in order to pay for their ideas.

It sounds like he might be trying to make himself useful, for once, to lead
his group in a direction that could be more beneficial to the nation.

But on the other hand, they really shouldn't take economic advice from the
guy who wanted to pay Iran to denuclearize.

Did they pay him for his speech? Everyone gets taken once in a while :(

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necessarily say that for the rest of the field. It is probably too early to tell, but there could be other candidates who emerge that would not be as radical as the ones making the most noise right now.

But doesn't it seem like it's our destiny to get a radical who will double or triple our debt? I hope not - but they're all trying to outdo each other.

I guess Biden could be a bit more secure. Let's see how they debate in their primaries and we'll revisit this question.

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He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation

became a

thing during his term.

I was born in 79, so I didn't know about that.

<sigh> you were four when I retired from the Air Force.

Thanks for pointing it out. I

don't want to be too judgmental, but I can assume that that was a

result of

the same sort of dysfunctional economic choices that democrats commit

to

today, like raising minimum wage too high too fast. Am I close? What

was it

about?

Increasing the minimum wage devalues the dollar. The same amount of
work costs more money - and, of course, all other wages and all prices
also go up.

Bernie et al are pikers, they should be pushing for a minimum wage of $150,000/hour, that way everybody could make more than a million
dollars in one eight hour shift. Of course, a loaf of bread would cost
fifty grand...

The federal minimum wage exists because Massachusetts textile makers
were moving their plants to North Carolina, where wages and the cost of
living were much lower. Massachusetts politicians didn't want "their"
jobs moving so they pushed through the minimum wage law to eliminate
the wage disparity.

But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic

president

destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated

recently.

As long as you don't have anything you'll be okay. If you have a home
and a bit of money you can plan to be homeless and penniless in short
order after the Corruptocrat wins in 2020.

Venezuela was the richest country in South America until Hugo Chavez
got into office.

Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your

opinion?

The Corruptocrats all have one basic program: take money from the
people who earned it and give it to those who didn't
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But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic

president

destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated

recently.

And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate

the 8

years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever

was?

That statement is patently untrue. Obama was one of this country's
worst presidents, and easily the most fiscally irresponsible
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You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I was asking for everyone's opinion. Who do you like from the running

dems?

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency

and not

enough on "We, The People..."..

I think I understand what you mean. We can't just get the president

we want

and expect them to fix everything without Congress & US Senate. The

lack of

interest in Congress & Senate could be why we have such ridiculous

people

getting elected.

I'm guilty of it, on a local level. On the last ballot I filled out,

there

were candidates for local offices who I knew nothing about. There was

even

one section with a local Democrat who was running with no opponent,

so I

voted for her with the logic that "If this lady wants to do the job,

but

nobody else does, then why not?"

I've been saying for thirty years that what we need is a "none of these crooks" option on the ballot - that counts. I read that the option was
tried in a local election long ago and that 'none' got more votes than
any of the other candidates on the ballot
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necessarily say that for the rest of the field. It is probably

too early

to tell, but there could be other candidates who emerge that

would not be

as radical as the ones making the most noise right now.

But doesn't it seem like it's our destiny to get a radical who will

double or

triple our debt? I hope not - but they're all trying to outdo each

other.

Most of that problem is the automatic "entitlement" spending.

It took about 210 years and 41 presidencies to run up a national debt
of one trillion dollars. That period included the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World Wars one and two, Korea and most of Vietnam.

It took until about 1992 - roughly 20 more years - to add another
trillion dollars to that debt.

Clinton inherited that two trillion dollar debt and in eight years he
doubled it to four trillion (which puts the lie to the claim that he
balanced the federal budget).

Bush minor inherited Clinton's four trillion dollar debt and doubled it
to eight trillion.

Obama took that eight trillion debt and more than doubled it to nearly eighteen trillion. Today it's up somewhere around 22 trillion.

73 percent of all national government spending is on the Corruptocrats' vote-buying "entitlement" programs. Defense gets 15% and interest on
the debt is a bit more than six percent, which leaves about six percent
for the whole rest of the government.

I guess Biden could be a bit more secure. Let's see how they debate

in their

primaries and we'll revisit this question.

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Did they pay him for his speech? Everyone gets taken once in a while :(

I don't know. Since they were Freshmen Congressmen, maybe he sold them
some tickets to the swimming pool, located on the floor that does not actually
exist. :)

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You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency and not enough on
"We, The People..."..

For the past 25+ years, I would have to agree.

Mike

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And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate the 8 years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever was?

Obama was a dignified person and probably a nice guy, but I do not think of
him as one of our finest presidents.

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And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate

the 8

years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever

was?

Obama was a dignified person and probably a nice guy, but I do not think
of him as one of our finest presidents.

As my friend Howard in Montana says "Everybody has an opinion just like they have an arse" ... :-)

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Hello Ward,

I think I understand what you mean. We can't just get the president we
want
and expect them to fix everything without Congress & US Senate. The lack
of
interest in Congress & Senate could be why we have such ridiculous people
getting elected.

Exactly. It has become a pissing contest.

Dems on the left. Pubs on the right. Nobody in the middle.
That is how Trump managed to win. He was the "something different".
The voting public did not anybody on the left, or on the right.
So they chose "something different" - which happened to be the last
man standing.

What do voters care for the most? Somebody who entertains them,
such as Trump? Or somebody who actually gives them what they want?

Trump promised everything to his supporters - the moon, the sun,
the stars. Does that mean all he has to do is keep making promises?
Even if all his promises are empty?

All power should lie in a multi-party Congress where there are no absolute majorities and they have to reach compromise. The President then should be elected by that Congress, should have no outspoken powers, very ceremonial being the face of that country and representing it in a ceremonial way as our monarchs have been doing lately and be of high moral standing like Eisenhower was. Schwarwkopf also would have been a good President.

Just think about why military leaders make good Presidents...

Also, the president should be denied a cellphone and a Twitter account.

Obama had his blackberry.
Trump has his twitter.
What will the next president have?
I shudder to even think about it.

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Hello Ward,

Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your
opinion?

I'm not really interested in any of the names showing up. I don't like anything on the GOP-side either.

Aha! A secret Joe Biden admirer!

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Hello Mike,

You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency and not

enough on

"We, The People..."..

For the past 25+ years, I would have to agree.

The Framers of the Constitution envisioned the president
as being the least important politician in America. Next
to the vice president, whose office is not worth a bucket
of warm spit.

Which office did the Framers of the Constitution consider
as being the most important? The office US Representative,
mentioned first in the US Constitution. The office of
president is last (sixth place).

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Hello Mike,

And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate the 8
years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever was?

Obama was a dignified person and probably a nice guy, but I do not think

of

him as one of our finest presidents.

Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect
their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

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Hello Ward.

28 Mar 19 11:40, you wrote to Mike Powell:

As my friend Howard in Montana says "Everybody has an opinion just
like they have an arse" ... :-)

Opinions are like assholes: everyone has one, some are bigger than others, and some plain stink.

:P

Later,
Sean

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Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect
their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

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What do voters care for the most? Somebody who entertains them,
such as Trump? Or somebody who actually gives them what they want?

Trump promised everything to his supporters - the moon, the sun,
the stars. Does that mean all he has to do is keep making promises?
Even if all his promises are empty?

It is funny. Reagan was a former actor but was not that entertaining as a President. I was not alive when JFK was elected, so maybe it was like that then, but the first "celebrity" I remember us electing was Clinton.
He is the first one I remember making the talk-show circuit and trying to
be entertaining. Also the first one I remember Hollywood really falling
for.

Bush, like his father, was not much like that. The second one was Obama. Again, talk shows and Hollywood love.

Trump is the third in my lifetime, but he does not really do talk shows or
have any Hollywood love, so it is different. He is not the first one I
feel that has abused Twitter... Obama rendered personal opinions about
local matters that were not his business... but he is the first to do it unfiltered.

As for promises, I am pretty sure that Obama never got around to giving
away all the freebies he promised, either... although he did cover many of them... but he still got re-elected with the same promises of free stuff.

Obama had his blackberry.

and twitter and branding

Trump has his twitter.

too much of it

What will the next president have?
I shudder to even think about it.

Snapchat.

Mike

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Which office did the Framers of the Constitution consider
as being the most important? The office US Representative,
mentioned first in the US Constitution. The office of
president is last (sixth place).

The representative was the most important because they represented their
states and were directly elected by the people. Back then Senators were
not... IMHO, we may have made a mistake changing that... they were
appointed by the elected officials at the state level. The President was elected by the states through the electoral college, and still is.

Who were 2 - 5, in your opinion?

Mike

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Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

Yes and no, I think most everyone agrees that Obama's award was silly, this is for something like a lifetime's achievement when it concerns individual people.

The next winner is going to be a 16yr old autistic girl BTW.

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The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

Yes and no, I think most everyone agrees that Obama's award was silly, this is >for something like a lifetime's achievement when it concerns individual people.

I don't think every one given has been a joke but, when you give out one
that everyone knows is silly, you have hurt your credibility with me. Not saying he might not put together a lifetime of achievements worthy of one,
but giving it to him just for being elected was a serious joke.

Maybe there was no competition that year?

The next winner is going to be a 16yr old autistic girl BTW.

What are her accomplishments, other than being autistic?

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All power should lie in a multi-party Congress where there are no
absolute majorities and they have to reach compromise. The President
then should be elected by that Congress, should have no outspoken

I like the compromise part. I don't like to see so many people unhappy, but
we kinda have a war raging among democrats and republicans. Obama did so many things that hurt our country, and our feelings, that now we're getting
revenge with our awesome republican president.

I realize that the president doesn't always speak for the entire nation, and more power in Congress might be a good thing, but at the same time, I can't vote for changing a "broken system" just yet. Maybe we do that when a
democrat gets elected president, and he or she starts handing billions of our tax dollars to Iran - then I'll have to say "Hey let's give more power to Congress instead!"

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I'm not really interested in any of the names showing up. I don't like anything on the GOP-side either.

Well, now that I've learned about Joe Biden being a rapist, I have lost all faith in him. We already know from experience that sexually violent predators in office only lead us to things like NAFTA.

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Increasing the minimum wage devalues the dollar. The same amount of
work costs more money - and, of course, all other wages and all prices also go up.

It has a nice effect on slumlords too; their disgusting apartments go up in value, and people are paying close to $1000/month to live in the same nasty
old dwelling that went for $500 10 years ago. "New Carpeting!"

I'm lucky I bought a house quickly before they started raising the minimum
wage here in NY. On the bright side, maybe the value of my home will go up &
I can cash in on it someday.

The federal minimum wage exists because Massachusetts textile makers
were moving their plants to North Carolina, where wages and the cost of

It's expensive as hell in Massachusetts today.

Venezuela was the richest country in South America until Hugo Chavez
got into office.

But now he's the richest dictator in all of the Americas. AOC says we should "leave him alone." :)

The Corruptocrats all have one basic program: take money from the
people who earned it and give it to those who didn't

So the conclusion I'll make is that the lesser of democrat evils will be the one who openly admits their agenda. Someone who will scare us, but won't surprise us - that's our guy/gal.

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I've been saying for thirty years that what we need is a "none of these crooks" option on the ballot - that counts. I read that the option was

That's ok, but then they will have to hold another election, right?

What do you make of that situation I was in? Only a democrat lady - against nobody - what if only 1 person voted for her? She could have only been
defeated by a write-in.

I've been meaning to get in touch with my local GOP group to inquire about this. It should have never happened. We should've had somebody on that ballot.

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Trump promised everything to his supporters - the moon, the sun,
the stars. Does that mean all he has to do is keep making promises?
Even if all his promises are empty?

That sounds more like Obama when he promised affordable health care for all americans, but then guys like me ended up paying more than double in
healthcare costs during the Obama regime.

Empty promises are promises that can't or won't be delivered..

Trump's already delivered on many of his promises; just no wall yet. Whether
he gives us that wall or not, I'm happy with the economy, the dialogue with
NK, and many other things. I even like the way he talks. He cracks me up!

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Aha! A secret Joe Biden admirer!

Maybe Ward likes Joe's shoulder massages & kisses on the back of the head,
but Lucy Flores certainly is no Joe Biden admirer!

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their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The rubber stamp has infiltrated the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Maybe there was no competition that year?

Impossible to know. The list of nominees is never announced, just the outcome of the secret vote without any comment.

The next winner is going to be a 16yr old autistic girl BTW.

What are her accomplishments, other than being autistic?

Google for Greta Thunberg.

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On 2019 Mar 30 09:13:34, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Well, now that I've learned about Joe Biden being a rapist, I have
lost all faith in him. We already know from experience that sexually violent predators in office only lead us to things like NAFTA.

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as other sexual predators...

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Well, now that I've learned about Joe Biden being a rapist, ...

You only believe that because you want to believe that.

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one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

Trump paid for sex with an ugly prostitute, and paid her a few bucks extra to shut her trap. I put this in the sleazy, but forgivable category.

Joe Biden put his hands and lips on another politician without asking or paying. That seems more predatory to me. I put this in the sleazy and unforgivable category.

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Hello Ward,

I think I understand what you mean. We can't just get the president we
want
and expect them to fix everything without Congress & US Senate. The lack
of
interest in Congress & Senate could be why we have such ridiculous people
getting elected.

Exactly. It has become a pissing contest.

There is no more middle. Extremists on both sides.
Neither willing to talk with each other, or make deals.
Politics is the art of the possible. With no possibility
of dialogue, there can be no compromise. On anything.

All power should lie in a multi-party Congress where there are no absolute majorities and they have to reach compromise. The President then should be elected by that Congress, should have no outspoken powers, very ceremonial being the face of that country and representing it in a ceremonial way as our monarchs have been doing lately and be of high moral standing like Eisenhower was. Schwarwkopf also would have been a good President.

That is still the idea behind the Framers of the Constitution.
Although there is no mention of political parties, there is also
nothing forbidding political parties. George Washington's view
was there should be no political parties. Thomas Jefferson and
James Madison held the view that political parties were essential.
Jefferson was not a delegate as he was in France, but his ideas
swayed many.

With the electoral college, if no candidate received a clear
majority the House of Representatives would decide who would be
president, and the Senate would decide who would be vice president.
This situation almost occurred a number of times, most recently
in 1968.

The presidency is a very weak office, with the exception of foreign
affairs. Everything else is left up to the Congress and USSC.

However, it should be kept in mind that all democracies, including
the USA, have fascist tendencies. FDR used his powers to enslave
peoples of Japanese ancestry. GWB used his powers to enslave peoples
of Arabic ancestry (although not on the same scale as FDR).

If the USA is attacked by a foreign power, or terrorist group,
the president can act unilateral to do whatever he wants in order
to contain the threat. Including ordering the use of nuclear
weapons as a first strike.

If that is not the definition of a dictator gone mad, I do not
know what is.

Just think about why military leaders make good Presidents...

Dwight Eisenhower said he hoped the American people would
never elect another general as president. He had good reason
to say that.

Also, the president should be denied a cellphone and a Twitter account.

Who is going to stop him?

--Lee

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On 2019 Mar 31 10:00:40, you wrote to me:

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as
other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

i'm speaking specifically of this:

Trump: Yeah, that's her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case
I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Trump: Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.


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However, it should be kept in mind that all democracies, including
the USA, have fascist tendencies.

The USA is not a democracy ... the Electoral College clearly demonstrates that.

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You only believe that because you want to believe that.

Is that not true about everything that anyone believes? :)

Mike

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Hello Aaron,

Trump promised everything to his supporters - the moon, the sun,
the stars. Does that mean all he has to do is keep making promises?
Even if all his promises are empty?

That sounds more like Obama when he promised affordable health care for

all

americans, but then guys like me ended up paying more than double in healthcare costs during the Obama regime.

How well has Trump's "repeal and replace" been working out?

Empty promises are promises that can't or won't be delivered..

So the American people have noticed.
Which is why we still have Obamacare, and expanded Medicaid.

Trump's already delivered on many of his promises;

Where is this massive wall he has been talking about these
past few years? I keep looking, but still can't find it.

just no wall yet.

The man has been in office just over two years and has been unable
to lay down a single brick or stone. Wow! Some accomplishment!

Whether he gives us that wall or not, I'm happy with the economy,

The super wealthy love their tax cuts. How did that help anybody
else? Oh. Everybody else had to pay more, not less. Especially
those on fixed incomes. Such as the elderly and disabled. Along
with those living in poverty. What was their benefit again?

the dialogue with NK,

Dictators are never impressed with sweet talk.

and many other things.

Well, he might be the poster child for hair spray.
But other than that ...

I even like the way he talks. He cracks me up!

Do we really need, or want, a performance artist as president?
I would much prefer a president who finds solutions for real
problems. Even if he/she is a total bore.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Aha! A secret Joe Biden admirer!

Maybe Ward likes Joe's shoulder massages & kisses on the back of the head, but Lucy Flores certainly is no Joe Biden admirer!

She is the victim of a flawed memory.

--Lee

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Hello mark,

Well, now that I've learned about Joe Biden being a rapist, I have
lost all faith in him. We already know from experience that sexually
violent predators in office only lead us to things like NAFTA.

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as

other

sexual predators...

Fame and fortune to the ladies of the night he spent time with.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as
other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

Trump paid for sex with an ugly prostitute, and paid her a few bucks extra to shut her trap. I put this in the sleazy, but forgivable category.

At least Bill Clinton did not have to pay for his.

Should any president be impeached and removed from office due
to what he/she does in the bedroom? Why should that matter?
Maybe Hillary let Bill do it. Maybe Hillary did the same kind
of thing. Maybe Melania lets Donald do it. Maybe Melania does
the same kind of thing. Why should any of us care? What they
do in their own bedroom is their own business, not ours.

Joe Biden put his hands and lips on another politician without asking or paying. That seems more predatory to me. I put this in the sleazy and unforgivable category.

It has been shown the two of them were never in the same room.
Therefore, it is just a story that somebody made up.

--Lee

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On 03-31-19 10:00, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Primary Planning <=-

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

Trump paid for sex with an ugly prostitute, and paid her a few bucks
extra to shut her trap. I put this in the sleazy, but forgivable
category.

He had her paid in order to help him win the election, and then lied
about it. That was a crime. His history of sexual misconduct goes back
a long way and is well documented.

Joe Biden put his hands and lips on another politician without asking
or paying. That seems more predatory to me. I put this in the sleazy
and unforgivable category.

Just when and how did he do that? I can find a snopes reference
disproving a photo shopped picture claiming to be an inappropriate
touch. The truth is far from that according to video document showing
what happened and the context.

Dale Shipp
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You only believe that because you want to believe that.

Is that not true about everything that anyone believes? :)

Hmmmmm ... mmmyeah .... :-)

Believing is mostly done by people who do not care about proof.

\%/@rd

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Hello Dale,

one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same category as
other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

Trump paid for sex with an ugly prostitute, and paid her a few bucks
extra to shut her trap. I put this in the sleazy, but forgivable
category.

He had her paid in order to help him win the election, and then lied
about it. That was a crime. His history of sexual misconduct goes back a long way and is well documented.

The same can be said about Bill Clinton, and others. However,
the difference is none of them had to pay for it.

Joe Biden put his hands and lips on another politician without asking
or paying. That seems more predatory to me. I put this in the sleazy
and unforgivable category.

Just when and how did he do that?

https://tinyurl.com/y6s6c7mw

I can find a snopes reference disproving a photo shopped picture claiming

to

be an inappropriate touch.

Sure. But did it happen? Or is this a mere claim, unsupported
and unsubstantiated?

The truth is far from that according to video document showing
what happened and the context.

I cited her words as to what happened. Make of it what you want.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

However, it should be kept in mind that all democracies, including
the USA, have fascist tendencies.

The USA is not a democracy ... the Electoral College clearly demonstrates that.

There is no basis for saying the US is somehow "not a democracy,
but a republic" - which is what you are suggesting.

The US is not a direct democracy, but a representative democracy,
which is a form of democracy.

Even Thomas Jefferson interchangeably used the terms "democracy"
and "republic" as meaning the same thing, in context with what he
was writing about.

A "democracy", both then (at the time of the Framers of the
Constitution) and now, has been generally understood to include
representative democracy, as well as direct democracy.

Representative democracy is the only demmocracy that is around
at the state or national level.

Would it have made you happier had I referred to the US as
being a "representative democracy constitutional republic"?

Do keep in mind my original statement - "all democracies,
including the USA, have fascist tendencies."

That includes not only the USA, but also Belgium.

--Lee

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And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to

annihilate the 8

years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever

was?

Obama was a dignified person and probably a nice guy, but I do not

think of

him as one of our finest presidents.

The Corruptocrats are caterwauling about "separation of powers" as if
that was a holy mantra. They didn't say a word when Obama announced
that if (the Republicrook controlled) congress didn't pass his programs
he would implement them by executive order.

In point of fact, the seeds of the destruction of the "separation of
powers" doctrine were sown in the 1880s with the creation of
the "Interstate Commerce Commission" to control the railroads' freight
rates. Tom Wilson continued the destruction of that doctrine when he
created many federal bureaus to run the country, using the "emergency"
of World War I as justification; when that war ended those bureaus
stayed on - although some of them changed their names. Roosevelt minor
vastly expanded the bureaucracy and got his pet Supreme Court to rule
that federal "regulations" applied to the whole country, not just
within the executive branch
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Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect
their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

Obama got that prize within 90 days of taking office, he'd just had
time to figure out where the bathrooms in the White House were and had accomplished precisely NOTHING at the time. He got it because (a) he's
black, and (b) he's very left wing
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The federal minimum wage exists because Massachusetts textile

makers

were moving their plants to North Carolina, where wages and the

cost of

It's expensive as hell in Massachusetts today.

It was then, too, relatively speaking.

Venezuela was the richest country in South America until Hugo

Chavez

got into office.

But now he's the richest dictator in all of the Americas. AOC says we

should

"leave him alone." :)

Actually, he's dead. Maduro is the president down there now, and
apparently there's some question about the validity of the election
that he supposedly won.
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I've been saying for thirty years that what we need is a "none

of these

crooks" option on the ballot - that counts. I read that the

option was

That's ok, but then they will have to hold another election, right?

What do you make of that situation I was in? Only a democrat lady -

against

nobody - what if only 1 person voted for her? She could have only been defeated by a write-in.

Ah, but the Supreme Court ruled - in 1992 - that write-in votes for
federal elective offices (president, senate, whorehouse) don't have to
be counted. They actually said that not counting write-in votes does
not disenfranchise the voters who do that.
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one wonders what tRump will bring since he is in the same

category as

other sexual predators...

It depends on how you categorize..

Trump paid for sex with an ugly prostitute, and paid her a few bucks

extra to

shut her trap. I put this in the sleazy, but forgivable category.

He handled that all wrong, too. When she publicly accused him of
having sex with her (not rape) he should have said "Yeah, I did, and
she's a lousy lay." That would have been the end of it and wouldn't
have cost him a dime.
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However, it should be kept in mind that all democracies, including
the USA, have fascist tendencies.

The USA is not a democracy ... the Electoral College clearly

demonstrates that.

The USA is not and has never been a democracy, it is a Constitutional republic. The president and vice president are elected by the states,
not by the people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the
way it is
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Trump: Yeah, that's her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just
in case I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I

Bragging about all the pussy he gets isn't as bad as Joe Biden going around sniffing aripits & ejaculating on necks.

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It has been shown the two of them were never in the same room.
Therefore, it is just a story that somebody made up.

He's got 4 accusers as of yesterday. He's even more successful at being a rapist than he was at being a Vice President, even though at least 2 of his rapes occurred while he viced. He literally was a "vice" president!

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How well has Trump's "repeal and replace" been working out?

I haven't seen any costs skyrocketing while "repeal & replace" was being
tossed around. But I did pay the most expensive employer-provided medical insurance ever while a guy was saying "affordable for all Americans."

Where is this massive wall he has been talking about these
past few years? I keep looking, but still can't find it.

Don't look for it if you're not looking forward to it. It will only piss you off.

The super wealthy love their tax cuts. How did that help anybody
else? Oh. Everybody else had to pay more, not less. Especially
those on fixed incomes. Such as the elderly and disabled. Along
with those living in poverty. What was their benefit again?

What's their loss? Not super wealthy enough for a tax break? That's their own fault. They should work harder.

Dictators are never impressed with sweet talk.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was fully erect with the stimulation he got from John
Kerry & Barack Obama.

Well, he might be the poster child for hair spray.

Being in his 70s, with hair that good, he deserves the right to risk damaging it with hairspray; it's now or never.

Do we really need, or want, a performance artist as president?

Since the Barack Obama Regime, being an entertainer has become mandatory for presidents. Remember when he made that wisecrack about retards in the special olympics live on the late show? Such a funny guy, at the expense of people
who work twice as hard in life to overcome adversity. He's a hard act to follow! But Trump allocated federal funds for the Special Olympics this year
- oh my side hurts!

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but Lucy Flores certainly is no Joe Biden admirer!

She is the victim of a flawed memory.

Sexual Assault Victims, and especially Joe Biden Sexual Assault Victims often suffer from PTSD. People suffering from PTSD, from stuff like Joe Biden Sex Assaults, suffer from very strong visual flashbacks from the traumatic event
- their memory can be astounding; they can tell you tiny details that will
blow your mind.

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Just when and how did he do that? I can find a snopes reference

If I had a nickel for every Joe Biden sex assault, I'd be as wealthy as Joe Biden by now.

Ask the cops! They should have way more details on this than me. Man, I'd
hate to be the officer who has to scrape up all the Joe Biden semen samples from all these chicks. That would be a tough job to do!

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be counted. They actually said that not counting write-in votes does
not disenfranchise the voters who do that.

It sounds like tough-love, but I can dig it. We shouldn't have to deal with write-ins; at least the GOP & DNC should be able to nominate a candidate - I complained about this to my local Republican group. I told them that the
ballot is making a mockery of us by leaving a Democrat unchallenged.

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Hello Mike,

Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect
their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

Anwar Sadat and Menachim Begin shared the Nobel Prize,
but Jimmy Carter was left out. Carter was later awarded
a Nobel Prize, after he had left office, for his work
outside of politics.

A few years later the Nobel committee did the same thing.
A Palestinian Arab and Israeli PM shared a Nobel Prize ...

Making peace on the White House lawn.

Seems the Nobel committee loves those photo-ops.

Maybe President Trump should invite two long-time
enemies to make peace. Perhaps the leaders of the
two Koreas, shaking hands on the White House lawn,
with President Trump smiling as they do so.

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

Most of our presidents, such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
had to wait until they had finished their terms in office to collect
their Nobel Peace Prize. But not Barack Obama. He got his when he
first started ...

The Nobel is pretty much a joke.

Obama got that prize within 90 days of taking office, he'd just had
time to figure out where the bathrooms in the White House were and had accomplished precisely NOTHING at the time. He got it because (a) he's black, and (b) he's very left wing

Teddy Roosevelt was white, and far more liberal than Obama.

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

The federal minimum wage exists because Massachusetts textile

makers

were moving their plants to North Carolina, where wages and the

cost of

It's expensive as hell in Massachusetts today.

It was then, too, relatively speaking.

Venezuela was the richest country in South America until Hugo

Chavez

got into office.

But now he's the richest dictator in all of the Americas. AOC says we

should

"leave him alone." :)

Actually, he's dead.

Presumed dead.

Maduro is the president down there now,

Not according to Trump. But he is not the decider.
The people of Venezuela are. According to Maduro.

and apparently there's some question about the validity of the election

that

he supposedly won.

There is absolutely no question about the validity of the election
that Maduro won. Actually, twice elected. Not just once.

After Maduro won the first time, he threw his opponent in jail.
After Maduro won the second time, he threw his opponent in jail.

See how that works?

If you win, throw your opponent in jail.
If you lose, claim the election was rigged.

Maduro never claimed either election was rigged.
Therefore, we know both elections were valid.

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

I've been saying for thirty years that what we need is a "none

of these

crooks" option on the ballot - that counts. I read that the

option was

That's ok, but then they will have to hold another election, right?

What do you make of that situation I was in? Only a democrat lady -

against

nobody - what if only 1 person voted for her? She could have only been
defeated by a write-in.

Ah, but the Supreme Court ruled - in 1992 - that write-in votes for federal elective offices (president, senate, whorehouse) don't have to
be counted. They actually said that not counting write-in votes does
not disenfranchise the voters who do that.

It is up to each individual state to decide what rules to play by,
as this country does not have federal or national elections.

Years ago, in Louisiana, one candidate for governor legally
changed his name to "None of the Above". The state AG ruled
that his legal name was deceptive and refused to put it on
the ballot. The courts refused to accept the AG position,
but decided the candidate did not change his name in time,
and thus had to keep his previous name on the ballot rather
than his new legal name.

I wonder what would have happened had he decided to run in
a later election as "None of the Above"? Would the courts be
forced to accept his legal name as legit?

Lester Knox. The man nobody knew until he changed his name.

--Lee

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On 2019 Apr 03 00:44:28, you wrote to me:

Trump: Yeah, that's her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs
just in case I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically
attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It's like a
magnet. Just kiss. I

Bragging about all the pussy he gets isn't as bad as Joe Biden going around sniffing aripits & ejaculating on necks.

now that's just stupid...

*plonk*

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Hello mark,

03 Apr 19 12:45 at you wrote to aaron thomas:

*plonk*

That's a sound I haven't heard since my heyday on USENET in the mid 80s. :D

Later,
Sean

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He's got 4 accusers as of yesterday. He's even more successful at being a rapist than he was at being a Vice President, even though at least 2 of his rapes occurred while he viced. He literally was a "vice" president!

Although very creepy, there is a difference between nuzzling someone's hair
and rape.

Mike

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On 04-03-19 13:54, Sean Dennis <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Primary Planning <=-

Hello mark,

03 Apr 19 12:45 at you wrote to aaron thomas:

*plonk*

That's a sound I haven't heard since my heyday on USENET in the mid
80s. :D

Some people deserve it :-}}

Dale Shipp
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Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Some people deserve it :-}}

I know I have at times. :D

Just was funny to see that after all of those years...and remember!

Speaking of which, I have been paying for USENET access for months via EasyNews and haven't bothered to set up Pan...

Later,
Sean


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On 04-04-19 10:49, Sean Dennis <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Primary Planning <=-

Speaking of which, I have been paying for USENET access for months via EasyNews and haven't bothered to set up Pan...

I do not know what either pan or easynews are, but my public newsserver
is nntp.aioe.org and is free. I also have several other fido
newsservers on my connect list in my news reader program Gravity (also
free these days).

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)


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On 2019 Apr 05 01:05:00, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

Speaking of which, I have been paying for USENET access for months
via EasyNews and haven't bothered to set up Pan...

I do not know what either pan or easynews are,

pan is a news reader... easynews is a huge news server...

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Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I do not know what either pan or easynews are, but my public newsserver
is nntp.aioe.org and is free. I also have several other fido
newsservers on my connect list in my news reader program Gravity (also free these days).

Easynews is a great USENET provider that has a fantastic Web-based
interface. https://www.easynews.com if you want to take a peek. Pan is
a modern NNTP client that is open source and runs under Linux, Windows
and OS X (I think). Pan is at https://http://pan.rebelbase.com/. From
the website: "Pan is a Usenet newsreader that's good at both text and binaries. It supports offline reading, scoring and killfiles, yEnc, NZB,
PGP handling, multiple servers, and secure connections."

Pan works a lot like Gravity.

I could set up NNTP access on my system but I have to set up a NNTP
server first. Something I'd like to do when I have the desire to do it.
It's not easy to do but it'd be a good backup if you can't get into the
BBS. You can also connect securely to my BBS via SSH if you have an
account.

Later,
Sean




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On 04-01-19 20:33, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Primary Planning <=-

Joe Biden put his hands and lips on another politician without asking
or paying. That seems more predatory to me. I put this in the sleazy
and unforgivable category.

Just when and how did he do that?

https://tinyurl.com/y6s6c7mw

I read that, and it is not the incident I was referring to. I can
believe that the woman in question (FLores) felt uncomfortable, and that
Biden needs to address the concerns she has stated. I do not believe
that Biden intended anything other than support -- with a misguided
guesture.

I can find a snopes reference disproving a photo
shopped picture claiming to
be an inappropriate touch.

Sure. But did it happen? Or is this a mere claim, unsupported
and unsubstantiated?

That photo showed Biden with his hand on the breast of the wife of a
cabinet secretary during his swearing in ceremony. It was clearly photo shopped and the original clip was shown. Even that clip was taken out
of context from the ceremony. The cabinet officer was beginning to
talk, Joe motioned for the wife to come over from the sidelines to
center stage right. He did put his hands on her shoulders briefly
guiding her into position.

The truth is far from that according to video document showing
what happened and the context.

I cited her words as to what happened. Make of it what you want.

Again -- two different incidents.

In any case, Joe Biden is taking heat for his (over) affectionate
behavior. It is something he will need to address if he becomes a
candidate.

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The USA is not and has never been a democracy, it is a Constitutional republic. The president and vice president are elected by the states,
not by the people, and that's why the Electoral College is set up the
way it is

In one sentence the Electoral College explained. This way it makes sense to a furriner.

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The USA is not a democracy ... the Electoral College clearly demonstrates that.

Representative Republic :)

Mike

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At least Bill Clinton did not have to pay for his.

That we know of.

Should any president be impeached and removed from office due
to what he/she does in the bedroom? Why should that matter?
Maybe Hillary let Bill do it. Maybe Hillary did the same kind
of thing. Maybe Melania lets Donald do it. Maybe Melania does
the same kind of thing. Why should any of us care? What they
do in their own bedroom is their own business, not ours.

Bill did it in the Oval Office while, at least on one occassion, on the
phone talking official business that was not for the ears of his paramour. I don't care who he was diddling or when otherwise, but that right there is dangerous to the country and should be grounds for impeachment.

It has been shown the two of them were never in the same room.
Therefore, it is just a story that somebody made up.

There is photo proof of other instances. Some are with women that say the photo looks creepy but the actions were OK. At least one photo was taken
as a restaurant I am familiar with.

Mike

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I'm concerned about the possibility of a liberal defeating Trump in 2020.
I've been trying to figure out which one is the lesser of evil, and all
choices are pretty rocky. At the same time, I'm willing to take any GOP candidate over any of the announced Democrat candidates. With that being the case, I'm wondering if I should change my party to Democrat, just so I can
vote in the primary?

Is there a democrat candidate who supports border security?

Joe Biden might be as worthless as Obama, Kamala Harris & Cory Booker are obstructionists, Bernie Sanders is a crybaby hypocrite, Elizabeth Warren
wants her land back, Beto maybe? What's terrible about him? Probably a lot,
but then again, *could* he be my primary guy?

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I'm concerned about the possibility of a liberal defeating Trump in 2020.

Good, because he will ... be defeated.

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Re: Re: Primary Planning
By: Ward Dossche to aaron thomas on Wed Mar 20 2019 12:02 am

Good, because he will ... be defeated.

Amen to that.
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Trump seems to enjoy the idea of running against Biden or Beto, per an article from an interview late in the week.

Thank you! That gives me some clarity.

With that being said, I think I can (barely) stomach a Biden presidency. Now knowing what I didn't 10 years ago, I can watch Joe Biden take office, hear some amazing empty promise, but this time NOT fall for it, and just wish for good luck with foreign policies, because we sure as hell will need it..

Thanks to some of the other people in this echo, I have a little more light
on Beto too. I'm not totally clear on what his presidency would be like, but I think his unrealistic promises would be even more severe than those of Obama, and he could ultimately weaken the democrat party's reputation even harder
than Obama has, thereby strengthening the GOP for the 2024 election.

My conclusion then, is that Joe Biden will be a less harmful president than Beto, still having the potential for terrible economic decisions, but the lesser of two evils. If he wins, I'll be sure to inquire about my affordable health coverage, which was promised by one of his coworkers.

And the one guy who has shown nothing but love for the United States since
day 1 should have no trouble defeating either of these knuckleheads next year in the race for the white house.

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He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a thing during his term.

I was born in 79, so I didn't know about that. Thanks for pointing it out. I don't want to be too judgmental, but I can assume that that was a result of
the same sort of dysfunctional economic choices that democrats commit to
today, like raising minimum wage too high too fast. Am I close? What was it about?

But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic president destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated recently.

Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your opinion?

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A thought:
Death and taxes will always be with us but at least death won't get any worse.

<scribble scribble>

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And the one guy who has shown nothing but love for the United States
since day 1 should have no trouble defeating either of these
knuckleheads next year in the race for the white house.

You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency and not enough on
"We, The People..."..

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But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic president destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated recently.

And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate the 8 years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever was?

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Hello Mike,

No, of course not, just a regular democrat who's not too terrible. Maybe
like
a Jimmy Carter type of guy?

He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a

thing

during his term.

He kept us out of war.
And he got all our embassy personnel in Iran safely back home.
Of course, he also gave away the Panama Canal. To Panama.
And convinced over two-thirds of the Senate to go along with it.

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Hello Sean,

I think it's universal ...

I always think that politics translates to "many bloodsuckers".

A thought:
Death and taxes will always be with us but at least death won't get any worse.

Yes, it can.

:P

There are two kinds of karma -

Good karma. And bad karma.

When you wish bad karma on someone, especially if that someone
is one who believes in karma, you are wishing him/her a fate worse
than death.

There are at least a billion such believers in India alone.
Plus quite a few of them elsewhere around the world.

Imagine coming back in another life as a cow.
Raised in the Texas.
Where no one believes in karma.

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You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I was asking for everyone's opinion. Who do you like from the running dems?

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency and not enough on "We, The People..."..

I think I understand what you mean. We can't just get the president we want
and expect them to fix everything without Congress & US Senate. The lack of interest in Congress & Senate could be why we have such ridiculous people getting elected.

I'm guilty of it, on a local level. On the last ballot I filled out, there
were candidates for local offices who I knew nothing about. There was even
one section with a local Democrat who was running with no opponent, so I
voted for her with the logic that "If this lady wants to do the job, but
nobody else does, then why not?"

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But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic preside destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated recently

And you're OK for a pseudo-Republican president trying to annihilate the
8 years in office of probably one of the finest presidents there ever

We have a different opinion of both presidents and of their accomplishments, and about how our tax money is spent (or handed out.) It's ok, so do the elected officials. They should compromise on stuff.

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Thanks to some of the other people in this echo, I have a little more light >on Beto too. I'm not totally clear on what his presidency would be like, but I >think his unrealistic promises would be even more severe than those of Obama, >and he could ultimately weaken the democrat party's reputation even harder >than Obama has, thereby strengthening the GOP for the 2024 election.

Speaking of Obama, I read a small part of an article today where he was advising the freshman Democratic congress class. His message was that,
while they should not stop dreaming big, that they also had to remember to figure out where the money would come from in order to pay for their ideas.

I think it was his nice way of reminding them that someone does have to pay
for all of the freebies, and not to over-promise things that the country
cannot afford.

Mike

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I was born in 79, so I didn't know about that. Thanks for pointing it out. I don't want to be too judgmental, but I can assume that that was a result of the same sort of dysfunctional economic choices that democrats commit to today, like raising minimum wage too high too fast. Am I close? What was it about?

Stagflation is when inflation goes up, unemployment remains (or becomes)
high -- those are the "flation" parts, while the economy slows or stagnates
-- the "stag" part.

Google 'stagflation Jimmy Carter' and an interesting article at digitalhistory.uh.edu should show up that explains all of this. It did not start during his presidency. The economic policies of the 1960's, the oil embargos, and the Vietnam War all assisted in leading to Stagflation. He
is best known for making it worse.

Carter tried to fight unemployment with a lot of spending and expanding the money supply. Inflation eventually rose to double-digits. The Fed stopped
the money supply expansion, and unemployment shot up. So did interest
rates, to the highest in history. Good if you had money to invest, I
guess, but not so good for the economy as a whole.

Unemployment continued to rise as a result of Carter's policies, even into
the first two years of Reagan's first term, to the highest it had been since 1940 (the Depression, and before WWII).

One other thing he tried to combat all of this was deregulation, including
of the S&L industry. Something that oddly gets blamed on the two
Presidents that followed him, but it did not start with them.

But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic president destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated recently.

Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your opinion?

Biden is a known quantity and probably not as likely to feel the need to
prove himself by making drastic changes. At this time, I cannot
necessarily say that for the rest of the field. It is probably too early
to tell, but there could be other candidates who emerge that would not be
as radical as the ones making the most noise right now.

Mike

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Hello Aaron,

He was a good guy but not such a hot President. Stagflation became a
thing during his term.

I was born in 79, so I didn't know about that. Thanks for pointing it out.

I

don't want to be too judgmental, but I can assume that that was a result

of

the same sort of dysfunctional economic choices that democrats commit to today, like raising minimum wage too high too fast. Am I close? What was

it

about?

LBJ reached a peace agreement with Vietnam as he left office.
Nixon rejected LBJ's peace deal, and chose to continue the war
for five more years, including expanding it outside of Vietnam.
This dragged the economy, and also meant more US casualties.
Nixon resigned in disgrace. Ford (never elected vice president
or president) took over, and pardoned Nixon for his crimes.
Then the people finally got to have their say, electing a peanut
farmer who taught Sunday School as their president.

But like I've been saying here, I'm worried about a Democratic president destroying many of the good things republicans have initiated recently.

Well, since Trump has yet to build any wall, or any part of what
he calls a wall, the incoming Democratic president will have nothing
to destroy.

But plenty to build of whatever he/she wants.

Who will be the less of all evil, for the democrat primary, in your

opinion?

I would say Rev. Jesse Jackson, but he is retired from politics.
And pretty much everything else.

OTOH, there is always Rev. Al Sharpton ...

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Hello Ward,

And the one guy who has shown nothing but love for the United States
since day 1 should have no trouble defeating either of these
knuckleheads next year in the race for the white house.

You haven't asked for my opinion, but anyway.

I think in the USA too much emphasis is put on the presidency and not

enough

on "We, The People..."..

If you read the US Constitution, the presidency is the 6th most
important job, not anything close to who truly represents "we the
people". Which office is mentioned first (and foremost)? The
office of representative. Not senator or president. That is
why the US House of Representatives is known as "The People's
House" - regardless of which party has the most seats. In fact,
the US Constitution makes no mention of party, or political
parties.

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Hello Dale,

[..]

In any case, Joe Biden is taking heat for his (over) affectionate behavior. It is something he will need to address if he becomes a candidate.

He addressed it yesterday, in one sweet tweet.
"It's all over, Johnny. Time to move on." That
was essentially his entire message. Those who
have falsely accused him are done. And what do
they have to show for it? Nothin'. Absolutely
nothin'.

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Hello Mike,

At least Bill Clinton did not have to pay for his.

That we know of.

He admitted he and Gennifer Flowers did it. After first
denying it. But he still denies ever having had sex with
what woman, Ms. Lewinski!

After her rendezvous with Clinton, Ms. Flowers moved to
New Orleans and performed in the French Quarter. She did
have a great act, but was kind of pricy. Then again,
people did get their money's worth ...

Should any president be impeached and removed from office due
to what he/she does in the bedroom? Why should that matter?
Maybe Hillary let Bill do it. Maybe Hillary did the same kind
of thing. Maybe Melania lets Donald do it. Maybe Melania does
the same kind of thing. Why should any of us care? What they
do in their own bedroom is their own business, not ours.

Bill did it in the Oval Office while,

So did FDR. And Ike. And JFK. And many others.

at least on one occassion, on the phone talking official business that was not for the ears of his paramour.

JFK used to swim in the nude, with reporters present, in the
rose garden. How many gals were also present is unknown.

I don't care who he was diddling or when otherwise, but that right there

is

dangerous to the country and should be grounds for impeachment.

Why is what Clinton did grounds for impeachment and not what
other presidents did? Should we judge a president based on
what our morals are as opposed to what morals he/she has?

What if we elect an openly gay president? Should we impeach
him/her because he/she chooses to have sex with someone of the
same sex? What if we elect a president who is a transsexual
transvestite? Just think of what that would mean ...

It has been shown the two of them were never in the same room.
Therefore, it is just a story that somebody made up.

There is photo proof of other instances.

There has been proof of photo fakery in at least one of those
stories. And all that has been reported are stories. Nothing
concrete as to anything amounting to a hill of beans.

Joe Biden took to Twitter yesterday. He did not apologize
to anybody. He made no admission as to having committed any
crime. He did say he would listen, and change his style from
the way he had campaigned in the past.

IOW, he was telling his accusers, "It's all over, Johnny.
Time to move on."

Some are with women that say the photo looks creepy but the actions were

OK.

Sexual harassment is never OK. Joe Biden knows that. And so
do those who have falsely accused him.

At least one photo was taken as a restaurant I am familiar with.

If Joe Biden was so guilty of having done what he has been
accused of doing, why did those women not step forward at the
time? After all, he was Vice President of the United States,
caught on film, and shown on television, newspapers, and
magazines ...

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Hello Aaron,

It has been shown the two of them were never in the same room.
Therefore, it is just a story that somebody made up.

He's got 4 accusers as of yesterday. He's even more successful at being a rapist than he was at being a Vice President, even though at least 2 of

his

rapes occurred while he viced. He literally was a "vice" president!

Guilt by accusation worked 15 years ago against John Kerry,
a genuine war hero and two-time purple heart recipient.
So why not a two-term former vice president of the United States?
Call it a pre-emptive first strike, as the Democratic frontrunner
is not even an announced candidate.

That is what I call desperate. Truly desperate. Surrogates
of GWB used those tactics, "swift-boating" John Kerry. Will it
work a second time, with surrogates of Trump trying to do the
same to Joe Biden?

What Joe Biden has been falsely accused of doing does not even
rise to the level of what Al Franken did. And what Al Franken did
is nowhere near in the same ballpark as to what Donald Trump did.

And to think Joe Biden is not even an announced candidate.

Face it, Trump is doomed to be a one-term president. Time
for his surrogates to hang it up and find a new guy. Not that
it will make any difference, as Mike Pence is totally inept.

--Lee

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Why is what Clinton did grounds for impeachment and not what
other presidents did? Should we judge a president based on
what our morals are as opposed to what morals he/she has?

Has nothing to do with morals. If you are on the phone talking about
things that are not for everyone to hear, while enjoying the company of
someone who should not be hearing them (and, for all he knew, could be one
of those pesky Russians), then you are not qualified to be trusted with anything involving national security.

There has been proof of photo fakery in at least one of those
stories. And all that has been reported are stories. Nothing
concrete as to anything amounting to a hill of beans.

One of the photos is not fake. The lady in question says that the Bidens
are family friends and he was comforting her at a time when she was
nervous. She does not deny that the photo is legit, only the context that others have taken it in.

I believe it is the same photo that others have indeed photoshopped to make
it look even worse (his hands on her chest instead of her shoulders, for example), but the original photo is apparently not fake.

Joe Biden took to Twitter yesterday. He did not apologize
to anybody. He made no admission as to having committed any
crime. He did say he would listen, and change his style from
the way he had campaigned in the past.

IOW, he was telling his accusers, "It's all over, Johnny.
Time to move on."

Bill did basically the same thing... "I did not have sex with that
woman"... and was lying. Not saying that Biden is also lying, but it has happened before.

Some are with women that say the photo looks creepy but the actions were

OK.

Sexual harassment is never OK. Joe Biden knows that. And so
do those who have falsely accused him.

I never said it was. I said the women in the pictures said his actions
were OK even though the photos look creepy. See above, re: the one that
does not say the photo is not real.

If Joe Biden was so guilty of having done what he has been
accused of doing, why did those women not step forward at the
time? After all, he was Vice President of the United States,
caught on film, and shown on television, newspapers, and
magazines ...

Why did the original Me Too accusers not step forward at the time? Why did some of Billy Bob's accusers not step forward at the time? They are afraid
of reprisals.

You are sort of all over the place here... did you forget to take your meds?

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Guilt by accusation worked 15 years ago against John Kerry,
a genuine war hero and two-time purple heart recipient.

He's still guilty of the Iran fiasco. John Mccain was guilty of being an obstructionist.

Doesn't it go against liberal values to not take sexual misconduct
accusations seriously? Unfortunately, Joe's not going to get very many
feminist or college votes, due to his sexual aggressiveness. He's also not going to get the vote of many moderates due to Obama's failed promises.

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Doesn't it go against liberal values to not take sexual misconduct accusations seriously? Unfortunately, Joe's not going to get very many feminist or college votes, due to his sexual aggressiveness. He's also not going to get the vote of many moderates due to Obama's failed promises.

I would not count on that. They may not vote for him in a primary, but
when it comes to the general, for many it won't matter who the Democrat is
so long as they are running as a Democrat. Or, it won't matter so long as
they are running against the "bad orange man."

Mike

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Hello Mike,

Why is what Clinton did grounds for impeachment and not what
other presidents did? Should we judge a president based on
what our morals are as opposed to what morals he/she has?

Has nothing to do with morals.

Gary Hart getting caught with Monkey Business was a real issue,
and probably cost him the Democratic nomination, perhaps the
presidency. Other politicians getting caught doing something
naughty rather than nice also wound up getting bounced. But
not our current occupant of the white house ...

If you are on the phone talking about things that are not for everyone to hear, while enjoying the company of someone who should not be hearing them (and, for all he knew, could be one of those pesky Russians), then you are not qualified to be trusted with
anything involving national security.

Why did people, especially women, vote for JFK?
"He's so cute" was their main reason. First elected
to Congress at age 29. Just like AOC.

Some folks look at Donald Trump the same way.
A little (immature) kid in a grown-up's body ...

There has been proof of photo fakery in at least one of those
stories. And all that has been reported are stories. Nothing
concrete as to anything amounting to a hill of beans.

One of the photos is not fake. The lady in question says that the Bidens are family friends and he was comforting her at a time when she was nervous. She does not deny that the photo is legit, only the context that others have taken it in.

Anything that can make Joe Biden look bad is what his detractors
will do. Even if they have to make it up themselves.

I believe it is the same photo that others have indeed photoshopped to

make

it look even worse (his hands on her chest instead of her shoulders, for example), but the original photo is apparently not fake.

Anything to try to make Joe Biden look bad. Maybe not so much
by the women who told their stories, but rather by those who put
them up to it.

Joe Biden took to Twitter yesterday. He did not apologize
to anybody. He made no admission as to having committed any
crime. He did say he would listen, and change his style from
the way he had campaigned in the past.

IOW, he was telling his accusers, "It's all over, Johnny.
Time to move on."

Bill did basically the same thing...

Bill Clinton took advantage of a young White House intern, doing
things you would never allow me to do with your own daughter.

"I did not have sex with that woman"... and was lying.

Bill Clinton was telling the truth -

"I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski!" ~Bill Clinton

Clinton had at first denied having sex with Gennifer Flowers,
but later admitted to having had sex with her in a deposition.

But then, Gennifer Flowers was a grown woman, and very experienced
in worldly affairs. And it was consensual between both parties.

Not saying that Biden is also lying, but it has happened before.

When did Joe Biden have an affair with a White House intern?

Some are with women that say the photo looks creepy but the actions were

OK.

Sexual harassment is never OK. Joe Biden knows that. And so
do those who have falsely accused him.

I never said it was. I said the women in the pictures said his actions were OK even though the photos look creepy. See above, re: the one that does not say the photo is not real.

None of the instances cited by any of the women amounted to anything
of note. The timing is suspicious, leading to questions as to who put
them up to it, and why. But I am sure Joe Biden understands. He even explained it all publicly by making a joke.

If Joe Biden was so guilty of having done what he has been
accused of doing, why did those women not step forward at the
time? After all, he was Vice President of the United States,
caught on film, and shown on television, newspapers, and
magazines ...

Why did the original Me Too accusers not step forward at the time?

This is not a Me Too moment. None of those instances are.

Why did some of Billy Bob's accusers not step forward at the time?

Monica Lewinski admitted she was a slut. A whore.
Gennifer Flowers admitted her affair with him was consensual.
One woman lied about having sex with him, and we know who
that was (Ms. Lewinski).

They are afraid of reprisals.

Ms. Flowers won her lawsuit.
Ms. Lewinski got her own 15 minutes of fame.
What other "reprisals" could there have been?

You are sort of all over the place here... did you forget to take your

meds?

None of the women say it was sexual harassment, yet they come
forward with their stories just before Biden is set to announce
his intention to run for president? How convenient. I wonder
who put them up to it? And why?

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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

I would not count on that. They may not vote for him in a primary, but when it comes to the general, for many it won't matter who the Democrat
is so long as they are running as a Democrat. Or, it won't matter so
long as they are running against the "bad orange man."

A good leftie votes how they're told to vote.

Later,
Sean


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Why is what Clinton did grounds for impeachment and not what
other presidents did? Should we judge a president based on
what our morals are as opposed to what morals he/she has?

Has nothing to do with morals.

And everything to do with lying under oath in a court deposition.
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is so long as they are running as a Democrat. Or, it won't matter so
long as they are running against the "bad orange man."

I get that. I used to think that way too, but I've overcome it. If I encounter a democrat trying to secure the border, put a dent in the national debt, or
put America's economy before others, then I'd vote for him/her.

But for guys like me, there's just no democrat willing to do any of that; they're not even making empty promises to do so. They're just making
more empty promises of handouts that are entertaining for uneducated or otherwise stupid people who won't bite the hand that says it feeds them.

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Anything that can make Joe Biden look bad is what his detractors
will do. Even if they have to make it up themselves.

Obama made Joe look pretty bad.

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Hello Bob,

Why is what Clinton did grounds for impeachment and not what
other presidents did? Should we judge a president based on
what our morals are as opposed to what morals he/she has?

Has nothing to do with morals.

And everything to do with lying under oath in a court deposition.

He cleared that up when he left office.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

If I encounter a democrat trying to secure the border, put a dent in the national debt, or put America's economy before others, then I'd vote for him/her.

Barack Obama can seek a new first term, but I doubt his wife
will let him.

Jimmy Carter is 94 years old, and still teaches Sunday School
in Plains, Georgia. But he only does it twice a month rather
than weekly. Not because he is elderly, but that so many folks
come to see him, and have their picture taken with him. What
a lovely smile he has, still having all his teeth.

Bill Clinton can also seek a new first term, but I think he is
more interested in chasing skirts. Good thing most gals are too
fast for him, else Hillary would smack him in the nose, as she
did so many years ago.

A fiscal conservative, Bill Clinton left office with a surplus
rather than a giant national debt. Eight months later, his
successor squandered it all in tax breaks for the rich, putting
our country in debt again.

Then came 9-11 ...

But for guys like me, there's just no democrat willing to do any of that;

Jimmy Carter did it.
Bill Clinton did it.
Barack Obama did it.

they're not even making empty promises to do so.

Jimmy Carter promised not to lie to us.
Bill Clinton left office with a surplus.
Barack Obama brought Osama bin Laden to justice.

They're just making more empty promises of handouts that are entertaining for uneducated or otherwise stupid people who won't bite the hand that

says

it feeds them.

Jimmy Carter got our embassy personnel back home safely from Iran.
Bill Clinton gave a White House intern her own 15 minutes of fame.
Barack Obama gave us lots of free money with his cash for clunkers
program. Along with other free stuff.

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Hello Aaron,

is so long as they are running as a Democrat. Or, it won't matter so
long as they are running against the "bad orange man."

I get that. I used to think that way too, but I've overcome it. If I encounter a democrat trying to secure the border, put a dent in the national debt, or put America's economy before others, then I'd vote for him/her.

That is the best endorsement for Barack Obama to seek a new first
term that I have heard in a long, long time. However, I doubt his
wife will let him run, as she wants him all for herself nowadays.
I mean, both their children are now in college and it would be
so lonesome without him.

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a) The Rwanda genocide occured in 1994, it ended July 14 of that year.
b) The Clinton-Lewinsky affair started in 1995. Her internship started during July of that year.

This is the problem with liberal fact-checking; you're missing the point completely. "Historical data PROVES that Bill Clinton didn't neglect Rwanda - because the saliva sample taken from his penis PROVES that he didn't have an affair with Monica Lewinsky until the following year." Maybe he was jerkin
the gerkin then; he rejected an opportunity to stop a genocide.

Further, there's a limit on the number of wars the USA can fight

You don't have to start a war to assign about 10 troops to stop a bunch of lunatics with machetes. The president has the power to deploy troops without starting a war. Also, there's no starting a war with a tiny nation with no military of its own.

FACT CHECKING: More and more people are experts at everything due to the internet. No more need for schools or discipline. FACT CHECKING.

Plus American troops are neither trained nor have the equipment to fight
a Brousse-war on the African continent, certainly not close to the

They probably got their training online.

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Aaron,

I'm confident that our military could have easily protected

thousands of

Hutus from a bunch of machete-weilding punks, but when you're

getting

blown away in the oval office, it's hard to care about a bunch of

crazy

Africans.

Before blubbering around like that it pays to check facts, this took

me less

than 10 minutes:

a) The Rwanda genocide occured in 1994, it ended July 14 of that year.
b) The Clinton-Lewinsky affair started in 1995. Her internship

started during

July of that year.

Further, there's a limit on the number of wars the USA can fight

concurrently

... in 1994 the USA was involved in:

* Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
* First Intervention in the Somali Civil War
* Bosnian War
* Intervention in Haiti

Plus American troops are neither trained nor have the equipment to

fight a

Brousse-war on the African continent, certainly not close to the

equator.

There's a limit to "the right of might".

While the US can and did handle small skirmishes - including the Bush
minor's conquest of Iraq - if it gets involved in a major conventional
war with either Russia or China it's going to get its butt kicked. The
reason is that the US has neither the industrial capacity nor the transportation capacity to support a major conventional war, and it
would take probably a decade or more to rebuild those capabilities.

Note that for the Iraq fracas, Saddam allowed the US nearly a year to
build up supply dumps for the 2003 invasion, a competent leader would
not have allowed that
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Hello Aaron,

If I encounter a democrat trying to secure the border, put a

dent in

national debt, or put America's economy before others, then I'd

vote

him/her.

Barack Obama can seek a new first term, but I doubt his wife

I like Obama, but just not as a president. He's good at mocking disabled athletes & snoozing while North Korea plays leisurely with nuclear

weapons.

President Obama kept us out of war. And he also worked with
our allies to make a deal with Iran to keep them from developing
nuclear weapons. As well as letting Kim Jong Un know the US
would not tolerate a nuclear-armed North Korea.

Kissing up to dictators is the worst thing any president can do.
Dictators respect only one thing - brute force.

When a bully threatens to take your lunch, you smack him.
The bully will not make the same mistake twice.

You cannot play nice with folks who are not playing nice with you.
That never works, and impresses no one.

After Russia invaded (and illegally annexed) Crimea, President
Obama did not play nice with Vladimir Putin. He slapped sanctions
on Russia. And what did President Trump want to do? He fawned
all over his Russian buddy and told him he wanted to lift those
sanctions. Probably as gift for all the help he had received
from him to get elected.

I shouldn't complain about Bill Clinton - he was very conservative during the genocide in Rwanda. But, that's a little too conservative.

The UN stepped in, although a bit late.

I'm confident that our military could have easily protected thousands of Hutus from a bunch of machete-weilding punks, but when you're getting

blown

away in the oval office, it's hard to care about a bunch of crazy

Africans.

President George H.W. Bush got our military involved in Somalia.
It was a mistake. President Clinton could not get our troops out
of there fast enough. But he did bring them home.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

Further, there's a limit on the number of wars the USA can fight

You don't have to start a war to assign about 10 troops to stop a bunch of lunatics with machetes.

The Israeli army has been fighting Palestinian kids armed with rocks.
Guess which side is winning? No matter how many kids get beaned by
an Israeli bullet, more and more fighters for Arafat keep getting
born. Just compare the birth rate between Palestinians and Israelis.

Palestinian population is growing fast. Israeli population is in
decline. Before you know it, there will be more Palestinians than
Israelis in the land of Palestine (including the part settled by
Israelis).

Now if only Israelis and Palestinians can figure out how to love
each other rather than just themselves.

The president has the power to deploy troops without starting a war.

President Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada, a tiny island
whose only defense was a small handful of Cuban construction workers.

Also, there's no starting a war with a tiny nation with no
military of its own.

President Reagan took on Grenada, offing a small handful of
Cuban construction workers in the process.

President George H.W. Bush took on Panama, a narco state which was
being run by a drug dealer with his own private army.

President George W. Bush took on Afghanistan, a tribal state run
by an army of religious fanatics. We are still there, and it is
still being run by an army of religious fantatics.

FACT CHECKING: More and more people are experts at everything due to the internet. No more need for schools or discipline. FACT CHECKING.

The internet is over-rated. That is why we have Fidonet.

Plus American troops are neither trained nor have the equipment to fight
a Brousse-war on the African continent, certainly not close to the

They probably got their training online.

We need cyber-warriors. Without them, China wins by default.

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When a bully threatens to take your lunch, you smack him.
The bully will not make the same mistake twice.

You're giving Obama credit for keeping us out of war with Iran, but why won't you give credit to Trump for keeping us out of a war with North Korea? If Kim has a problem, he now has an open door president he talk to. Obama was not interested in talking to Kim. I remember noticing this way back when Kim was doing a bunch of testing during the Obama regime; Obama would "condemn" the unauthorized testing, but never do anything about it.

Kissing up to dictators is the worst thing any president can do.
Dictators respect only one thing - brute force.

But it's ok to kiss up to Iran, because it's not a dictatorship?

sanctions. Probably as gift for all the help he had received
from him to get elected.

If Russia is in control of our elections, then I have them to thank for all
the service this guy's been doing for us.

President George H.W. Bush got our military involved in Somalia.
It was a mistake. President Clinton could not get our troops out
of there fast enough. But he did bring them home.

Somalia is & was a much more advanced state than Rwanda. Although Somalia is
a bit small, look at the comparison to Rwanda; Rwanda doesn't have the population to put up a fight with anybody; but they are capable of
slaughtering themselves.

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You don't have to start a war to assign about 10 troops to stop a bun lunatics with machetes.

The Israeli army has been fighting Palestinian kids armed with rocks.

When sifting the sugar, be sure to do it over the sink in case any spills
over; you don't want sugar on the floor, because it could attract ants.

But that's another good conversation we can have. Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, all started conflicts (either military, social, or economic
conflicts) and none of them ever perfected foreign relations, and neither will Trump.

I think by the 2nd year, all presidents have landed themselves on somebody's shortlist, but Trump has been nothing short of a champion for his
constituents this whole time. We still stand behind him even more now than before.

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Hello aaron,

11 Apr 19 16:06 at you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

because it could attract ants.

"Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants." -- Archer

(Sorry, I had to.)

Later,
Sean

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You're giving Obama credit for keeping us out of war with Iran, but why won't >you give credit to Trump for keeping us out of a war with North Korea? If Kim

Or getting us out of a conflict in the Middle East that Obama promised he
would get us out of and then did not?

Mike

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because it could attract ants.

"Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants." -- Archer

I was thinking the same thing. :)

Mike

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Mike Powell wrote to SEAN DENNIS <=-

I was thinking the same thing. :)

Hah!

Later,
Sean


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Hello Mike,

You're giving Obama credit for keeping us out of war with Iran, but why
won't
you give credit to Trump for keeping us out of a war with North Korea? If
Kim

Or getting us out of a conflict in the Middle East that Obama promised he would get us out of and then did not?

Jimmy Carter got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on peace.
Both Anwar Sadat and Menachim Begin won a Nobel Peace Prize,
while the Nobel committee left Carter out.

Bill Clinton got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on peace.
Both Yitzhak Shamir and Yasser Arafat won a Nobel Peace Prize,
along with Shimon Peres, while the Nobel committee left Clinton
out.

Barack Obama got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on something.
But the Nobel committee had already granted Obama his prize for
doing nothing.

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Barack Obama got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on something.
But the Nobel committee had already granted Obama his prize for
doing nothing.

Something we can agree on. :)

Mike

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On 04-15-19, LEE LOFASO said to MIKE POWELL:

Hello Mike,

You're giving Obama credit for keeping us out of war with Iran, but why
won't
you give credit to Trump for keeping us out of a war with North Korea? If
Kim

Or getting us out of a conflict in the Middle East that Obama promised he would get us out of and then did not?

Jimmy Carter got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on peace.

Oh yeah? Well he got screwed because the Ayrabs and the Jews are still killin' each other!


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Hello Tim,

You're giving Obama credit for keeping us out of war with Iran, but why
won't
you give credit to Trump for keeping us out of a war with North Korea? If
Kim

Or getting us out of a conflict in the Middle East that Obama promised

he

would get us out of and then did not?

Jimmy Carter got the Arabs and the Jews to agree on peace.

Oh yeah? Well he got screwed because the Ayrabs and the Jews are still killin' each other!

Oh yeah? Well, Carter got screwed because after he got the Arabs
and the Jews to agree on peace, the Arabs killed the Arab. And
Clinton also got screwed because after he got the Arabs and the Jews
to agree on peace, the Jews killed the Jew. You see how that works?
No matter what a US President does, it is the Arabs and the Jews
who screw themselves.

I wonder if Donald Trump has thought about what that means, if he
gets the Arabs and the Jews agree to his "Deal of the Century".

--Lee

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Oh yeah? Well he got screwed because the Ayrabs and the Jews are

still killin'

each other!

Trump got snookered by Kim Jong Un
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If I encounter a democrat trying to secure the border, put a dent in national debt, or put America's economy before others, then I'd vote him/her.

Barack Obama can seek a new first term, but I doubt his wife

I like Obama, but just not as a president. He's good at mocking disabled athletes & snoozing while North Korea plays leisurely with nuclear weapons.

I shouldn't complain about Bill Clinton - he was very conservative during the genocide in Rwanda. But, that's a little too conservative. I'm confident that our military could have easily protected thousands of Hutus from a bunch of machete-weilding punks, but when you're getting blown away in the oval
office, it's hard to care about a bunch of crazy Africans.

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Aaron,

I'm confident that our military could have easily protected thousands of Hutus from a bunch of machete-weilding punks, but when you're getting
blown away in the oval office, it's hard to care about a bunch of crazy Africans.

Before blubbering around like that it pays to check facts, this took me less than 10 minutes:

a) The Rwanda genocide occured in 1994, it ended July 14 of that year.
b) The Clinton-Lewinsky affair started in 1995. Her internship started during
July of that year.

Further, there's a limit on the number of wars the USA can fight concurrently ... in 1994 the USA was involved in:

* Iraqi No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
* First Intervention in the Somali Civil War
* Bosnian War
* Intervention in Haiti

Plus American troops are neither trained nor have the equipment to fight a Brousse-war on the African continent, certainly not close to the equator.

There's a limit to "the right of might".

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