On 12-03-22 15:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Ye <=-

It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off
limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who
invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say
anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Actually, you just did say something bad about him -- except that some
of us don't know who he is. Please enlighten us.

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Ye is a jerk, but Musk is an even bigger one.

Fuck Donald Trump and his racist anti-semitic creeps.

It's careless for him to be pal'ing around with a proven idiot like Ye.

And he continues to just tell his own base how great it will be if he gets elected again. He needs to stop worrying about white votes; they're in the
bag. He needs black votes. What does he do to get them? Gives a speech to a bunch of white people!

You should appreciate Trump for him being so hopeless.

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I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because your an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You might want think
before you lose such an ability to think, as it were...

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It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off
limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who
invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say
anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Kanye got suspended on Twitter not because he was critical of George Soros
but because he has been using language and imagery associated with violence against Jews... it the most recent case, I think it was a swastika (or
other Nazi symbol) along with some Jewish symbol(s) that he said he was going to use for his next Presidential campaign.

He got suspended on Twitter before Musk bought it. Musk gave him another chance which didn't last long, which resulted in the suspension I describe above.

I understand what you are saying, though. In past, it was taboo to say anything bad here about George Soros because a certain participant would
always immediately jump to "that's anti-semetic." He had to tone that down once some facts were used in posts about Soros... that the EU found him
guilty of insider trading, that he was involved in crashing the currency
market in the UK (on purpose)... two of many things that make his business ethics very questionable... and that he is indeed the leading donor to
the Democrat Party.

Now, calling him a "fat jewish investor" instead of simply an "investor"
could be taken by many as anti-semetic because the fact that he is Jewish
is not relevant and could be interpreted as an attack on his heritage
rather than on his questionable business practices.

Let's please not attack a person's heritage (or religion) here.


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It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Actually, you just did say something bad about him -- except that some
of us don't know who he is. Please enlighten us.

I'm talking about George Soros, but there are other jews that I don't like
such as Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler. Not because they're jewish, but because they're obnoxious. There's good and bad people of every religion.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest
cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because your
an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You
might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it
were...

Too late. Lee long ago lost his ability to think.


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Kanye got suspended on Twitter not because he was critical of George
Soros but because he has been using language and imagery associated with

It doesn't sound fair to me. I don't want people to hate others, but I think that they should be allowed to.

Now, calling him a "fat jewish investor" instead of simply an "investor" could be taken by many as anti-semetic because the fact that he is Jewish is not relevant and could be interpreted as an attack on his heritage rather than on his questionable business practices.

I won't make a habit of using those words like that, but it irks me to hear that Ye was banned from Twitter for antisemitism. The media has normalized treating jews like a protected species, but it makes little sense to me.

Can I have someone banned if they tweet something negative about Christians?

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Kanye got suspended on Twitter not because he was critical of George Soros but because he has been using language and imagery associated with

It doesn't sound fair to me. I don't want people to hate others, but I think that they should be allowed to.

They can be allowed to, but he was breaking the user agreement, which means suspension.

Now, calling him a "fat jewish investor" instead of simply an "investor" could be taken by many as anti-semetic because the fact that he is

ewish

is not relevant and could be interpreted as an attack on his heritage rather than on his questionable business practices.

I won't make a habit of using those words like that, but it irks me to hear that Ye was banned from Twitter for antisemitism. The media has normalized treating jews like a protected species, but it makes little sense to me.

Can I have someone banned if they tweet something negative about Christians?

If someone tweets something about Christians that violates the user
agreement (example: that might incite violence against them), someone
should report them and see what happens. That is what happened to Kanye.

Speaking of Twitter, since Musk took over they have also been removing
threads and users that violate the user agreement (and the law) when it
comes to child exploitation. That apparently meant suspending the accounts
of several persons associated with "antifa," i.e. the 2020 group.

Twitter has also been releasing information regarding how the DNC and Biden campaign contacted Twitter to have tweets removed that they believed might
be harmful to then candidate Biden. Those include, but are not
exclusively, any tweets regarding the existence of the Hunter Biden laptop.


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Actually, you just did say something bad about him -- except that some of us don't know who he is. Please enlighten us.

I'm talking about George Soros, but there are other jews that I don't like such as Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler. Not because they're jewish, but because they're obnoxious. There's good and bad people of every religion.

If you read up on the Soros family, George's father was a "non-practicing"
Jew. So they are of Jewish heritage but not necessarily religion.


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I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because your an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You
might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it
were...

Too late. Lee long ago lost his ability to think.

Except Lee actually lives in Sweden so the American citizen "taboo" would
not exist, but being a Westerner might still get him in trouble.


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If you read up on the Soros family, George's father was a
"non-practicing" Jew. So they are of Jewish heritage but not
necessarily religion.

I never knew he was jewish until Jeff told me and I never knew he was a
convict until you told me.

But my biggest complaint about him is the campaign funding. It's ridiculous that it's not illegal, and it's more ridiculous that American voters (idiots) don't feel the same way.

Who takes pride in saying "It took a Hungarian billionaire's cash to get me
the election results I wanted?"

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Hello Aaron,

Ye is a jerk, but Musk is an even bigger one.

Fuck Donald Trump and his racist anti-semitic creeps.

It's careless for him to be pal'ing around with a proven idiot like Ye.

Trump is a performance artist. Not a very good one, but a performance
artist nonetheless. And his act is getting stale. Very stale.

And he continues to just tell his own base how great it will be if he gets elected again.

What do you mean, "if"? With a diminishing base of supporters, there
is no way in hell he will get elected to public office of any kind.

He needs to stop worrying about white votes; they're in the bag.

Hillary Clinton beat the pants off Trump by over 3 million votes.
Joe Biden beat the pants off Trump by over 7 million votes.
It would be an absolute embarrassment for Republicans to nominate
Trump again, knowing he would lose by popular vote again - by a
landslide. And the electoral vote? Joe Biden thumped Trump ...

He needs black votes.

Trump ain't black enough.

What does he do to get them?

He needs to invest in a can of blackface.

Gives a speech to a bunch of white people!

He needs to do like Bill Clinton. Open an office in Harlem.

You should appreciate Trump for him being so hopeless.

He did give Biden the presidency. I will grant him that.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Gregory,

Muslim rights are human rights!

I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because your an American
citizen, and live in The United States of America. You might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it were...

Although the above quote is just a tagline, the point is the same.
Muslims have their own holy book, as do Christians and Jews. The
religious truths implicit in all those holy books are basic human
rights. for all of mankind.

When an individual is put to death, regardless of manner, it is an
act against human rights. When an individual is tortured, regardless
of manner, it is an act against human rights. When an individual is
put under mental duress, regardless of manner, it is an act against
human rights.

The first of all human rights is access to quality health care.
Denying such access is an affront to all, meaning the entire human
race.

Muslims in Iran are right to protest the actions of the regime in
charge of their country. Not just Muslims, but all peoples of all
other faiths. The entire world should support them in their effort,
and call for an end to the dispicable regime that rules Iran.

So how about you showing your own support, by visiting a mosque
or welcoming center in New York? I am sure there are Muslims who
will be there to help assist you on your journey.

For Life,
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Hello Aaron,

It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off
limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor

who

invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say
anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Actually, you just did say something bad about him -- except that

some

of us don't know who he is. Please enlighten us.

I'm talking about George Soros, but there are other jews that I don't like such as Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler. Not because they're jewish, but because
they're obnoxious. There's good and bad people of every religion.

The two clowns Trump invited as guests to his playhouse in Florida
were both very bad people. Not just anti-semitic, but very bad people.
Along with Trump, that makes three very bad people.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Ron,

I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest
cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because

your

an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You
might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it
were...

Too late. Lee long ago lost his ability to think.

Well, considering James Carville is a distant cousin ...

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Mike,

Actually, you just did say something bad about him -- except that

some

of us don't know who he is. Please enlighten us.

I'm talking about George Soros, but there are other jews that I don't like
such as Seth Rogen and Adam Sandler. Not because they're jewish, but
because
they're obnoxious. There's good and bad people of every religion.

If you read up on the Soros family, George's father was a "non-practicing" Jew. So they are of Jewish heritage but not necessarily religion.

Judaism is a religion, not a race, dumbfuck.

For Life,
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Hello Mike,

I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest
cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because

your

an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You
might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it
were...

Too late. Lee long ago lost his ability to think.

Except Lee actually lives in Sweden so the American citizen "taboo" would not exist, but being a Westerner might still get him in trouble.

I do admit to having lived with two Swedish gals, along with
a Dutch gal, at the same time, in the same house [in Louisiana]
the three of them were renting, during my college days. But none
of us had any thoughts about religion, and were in other stuff
we found much more fun and entertaining ...

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Mike,

It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off
limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who
invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say
anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Kanye got suspended on Twitter

Kanye got BANNED on Twitter for what he said and did.
This was the SECOND time Ye (as he likes to be called)
got himself BANNED from Twitter.

Trump should also be BANNED on Twitter for what he said and did.
Which would be the SECOND time for him as well.

not because he was critical of George Soros but because he has been using language and imagery associated with violence against Jews...

Quit lying, Mike. We all know the reasons why Elon Musk banned
Ye from Twitter. This was the SECOND time Ye has been banned, and
likely to be the last. I have stated previously that Elon Musk
should man up and also ban Trump from Twitter. But Elon Musk is
a pussy, and wimp out. Like so many others who have no ethics or
morals so speak of.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Everybody,

Elon Musk has banned Ye from Twitter. Again. For making anti-semitic
comments and only god knows what else. Even though the world's richest
man is still too chickenshit to ban Donald Trump. Again. For the same
type of despicable behavior.

Others are going further than Musk. Some are starting petitions
calling for a boycott of all Kanye West's products. And who can blame
them? The man is a disgusting example of a human being -

Kanye West has recently made statements praising Hitler and denying the Holocaust, after over a month of making harmful antisemitic statements.

Our society has no place for people who spread that kind of hate to be
making millions off of their work. I call on Apple Music, Spotify,
Amazon Music, and other streaming platforms to immediately remove all
of Kanye West’s solo albums and singles from their platforms.

By doing this, I hope that we can limit Kanye’s influence on society
by eliminating his ability to make money off of people streaming his
music. His statements are virtually irredeemable, and the time has
finally come for him to receive a major punishment. We cannot let him
continue to influence our youth and our society as a whole. Please
consider signing this petition.

This is just one example of what is yet to come for Ye. More and
more people are fed up with his nonsense, as well as his enablers.

Condemning Ye is what all people on this planet should do.
Condemning all who support Ye and his antics is also what all
people on this planet should do.

So how about it, Elon Musk? Are you ready to ban Donald Trump,
again, for his despicable display of meeting with Ye at his Florida
hangout? And let's not forget about Ye's friend, the other racist
and anti-semitic creep who was with him in that meeting with Trump.

Yes, Trump supporters have a lot to be ashamed of themselves for.

But it is still possible for them to redeem themselves. If only
they can find the courage to do the right thing - by throwing all
those filthy creeps under the bus.

For Life,
Lee

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So how about it, Elon Musk? Are you ready to ban Donald Trump,
again, for his despicable display of meeting with Ye at his Florida hangout? And let's not forget about Ye's friend, the other racist
and anti-semitic creep who was with him in that meeting with Trump.

It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off limits
because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Ye is a jerk, but Musk is an even bigger one.

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On 03 Dec 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Everybody,

Elon Musk has banned Ye from Twitter. Again. For making anti-semitic comments and only god knows what else. Even though the world's richest
man is still too chickenshit to ban Donald Trump. Again. For the same
type of despicable behavior.

What despicable behavior are you speaking of? I am so sick of sn*wflakes and their feelings. F*ck your feelings, that's what I say. Donald Trump has done quite a bit of good, do you really want me to re-post "The List" of his accomplishments of his four years in office, because I can. President Trump did more for African-Americans than that sad sack piece of dog-crap Barack Hussein Obama ever did.

Our society has no place for people who spread that kind of hate to be making millions off of their work. I call on Apple Music, Spotify,
Amazon Music, and other streaming platforms to immediately remove all
of Kanye West’s solo albums and singles from their platforms.

The same kind of thing about liberals and the democratic party.
The political party is not on these services as far as "a service provided" to the the public - who are known as subscribers, but they do bury the needle left, and they do have a colossal amount of influence. Our society has no
place for peoples of a urban society starting this fake rage war w/ fake liberal tears along with the demands of re-naming or re-branding of food products of which was totally and completely asinine. Such as the case w/ Aunt Jemima products being re-named after 131 years to the Pearl Milling Company or Land of Lakes removing the Indian because someone claimed it was racist. None of these things actually racist at all, these people should be immediately scheduled for a psychological examination, the clinical data from this
medical review will conclude that they should be rejected as fools. Then there was the craziness with the riots and the looting that nearly burned cities to ash as well as left stores virtually empty with mass stealing.
If that was not bad enough then there was the tearing down statues that have stood in most cases for over 100 years. All of this due to someone said that "they" were looking at them wrong or that they did not like what they represented, perhaps they lacked the understanding of what they represented
due to not being properly educated, but allowed a pass within the education system for fear that there would be a spotlight these educational institutions on them for not advancing these idiots to the next grade level.

There are many factors for these failures that fuel this type of woke culture. - it's called a lack of education and to large extent they are fueled unquestionably by their rage of the culture that they reside in. Additionally there is no guidance because there are no Fathers in many of these households or with young people with their upbringing. They are off splashing in as many women as they can find. It takes a real man to be a supporting Dad that provides guidance and structure, which transcends right from wrong.

By doing this, I hope that we can limit Kanye’s influence on society

by eliminating his ability to make money off of people streaming his LL>

music. His statements are virtually irredeemable, and the time has LL> finally come for him to receive a major punishment. We cannot let him LL> continue to influence our youth and our society as a whole. Please LL> consider signing this petition. LL> LL> This is just one example of what is yet to come for Ye. More and

more people are fed up with his nonsense, as well as his enablers.

Condemning Ye is what all people on this planet should do.
Condemning all who support Ye and his antics is also what all
people on this planet should do.

Didn't Trump call him a very troubled man? or was this missed due to your intentional blindness.

So how about it, Elon Musk? Are you ready to ban Donald Trump,
again, for his despicable display of meeting with Ye at his Florida hangout? And let's not forget about Ye's friend, the other racist
and anti-semitic creep who was with him in that meeting with Trump.

No one wants to discuss Biden's lavish State Dinner of lobster paid for by the American Tax Payer.

Yes, Trump supporters have a lot to be ashamed of themselves for.

I am not ashamed and have no reason to be whatsoever!

But it is still possible for them to redeem themselves. If only
they can find the courage to do the right thing - by throwing all
those filthy creeps under the bus.

Likewise there far more of a variety of scumbags, crooks and
opportunists and of complete wasting of money within Democratic Party and
it's programs and initiatives, which stoke the flames of division and do not a thing for unity.

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Hello Aaron,

So how about it, Elon Musk? Are you ready to ban Donald Trump,
again, for his despicable display of meeting with Ye at his Florida
hangout? And let's not forget about Ye's friend, the other racist
and anti-semitic creep who was with him in that meeting with Trump.

It's ok to complain about Christians or whites, but jews are off limits because of the holocaust? There's a fat jewish investor who invests in the misery of American crime victims, but I can't say anything bad about him "because the holocaust?"

Ye is a jerk, but Musk is an even bigger one.

Fuck Donald Trump and his racist anti-semitic creeps.

For Life,
Lee

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If you read up on the Soros family, George's father was a "non-practicing" Jew. So they are of Jewish heritage but not necessarily religion.

I never knew he was jewish until Jeff told me and I never knew he was a convict until you told me.

Nor did I re: his heritage. I found out the rest by looking him up. Jeff,
or someone, suggested we do that before we talked about him. I think that person maybe should have, too, as they apparently didn't know (or thought I would not look) about George's not so clean past.

But my biggest complaint about him is the campaign funding. It's ridiculous that it's not illegal, and it's more ridiculous that American voters (idiots) don't feel the same way.

Who takes pride in saying "It took a Hungarian billionaire's cash to get me the election results I wanted?"

When I look at many elected officials, I don't think they have any pride
when it comes to taking whoever's cash that wants to give it.

The Democrat Party's two biggest donors for the 2022 cycle were:

(1) George Soros - a convicted insider trader
(2) The kid I posted about here a week or two ago who conned a bunch of
people into investing in his crypto exchange and, if there is justice, will also be convicted here before long. I forget his name, and I think most of
the press wants us to forget him (after lavashing a lot of affection on
him), too.

Not a lot of pride to be had here.


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Quit lying, Mike. We all know the reasons why Elon Musk banned
Ye from Twitter. This was the SECOND time Ye has been banned, and
likely to be the last. I have stated previously that Elon Musk
should man up and also ban Trump from Twitter. But Elon Musk is
a pussy, and wimp out. Like so many others who have no ethics or
morals so speak of.

Trying to shield the world from hurtful comments/imagagery is stupid. Banning people "because they offended someone" is stupid. Teaching younger generations that having balls is no longer necessary, is stupid.

Musk is saying hurtful things about Democrats and the FBI. Should he ban himself?

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The Democrat Party's two biggest donors for the 2022 cycle were:

(1) George Soros - a convicted insider trader
(2) The kid I posted about here a week or two ago who conned a bunch of

Not a lot of pride to be had here.

When drug dealers get busted, they confiscate stuff that the dealer likely bought with drug proceeds (vehicles, weapons, etc.)

But in the case of the crypto guy (#2 on your list,) law enforcement should confiscate the damage that the stolen/squandered money has caused.

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The Democrat Party's two biggest donors for the 2022 cycle were:

(1) George Soros - a convicted insider trader
(2) The kid I posted about here a week or two ago who conned a bunch of

Not a lot of pride to be had here.

When drug dealers get busted, they confiscate stuff that the dealer likely bought with drug proceeds (vehicles, weapons, etc.)

But in the case of the crypto guy (#2 on your list,) law enforcement should confiscate the damage that the stolen/squandered money has caused.

That would be interesting, but the government already has Joe Biden.


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