• Muslims

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, December 05, 2022 00:35:04
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    Muslim rights are human rights!

    I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest
    cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because your
    an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You
    might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it
    were...

    Your point is what? You describe a group of terrorists who are a treat,
    but are also a very small percentage of the muslims in the world (and in
    the USA). You blame them all for the transgressions of a very few. Your statement would be about as true if instead of "Muslim extremest cast"
    you had said "White Nationalist Milita cult".

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, December 06, 2022 21:32:46
    On 05 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

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    Muslim rights are human rights!

    I hope you are very much aware that many within the Muslim extremest cast, Would chop off your head, without hesitation simply because you an American citizen, and live in The United States of America. You might want think before you lose such an ability to think, as it were...

    Your point is what? You describe a group of terrorists who are a treat, but are also a very small percentage of the muslims in the world (and in the USA). You blame them all for the transgressions of a very few. Your statement would be about as true if instead of "Muslim extremest cast"
    you had said "White Nationalist Milita cult".

    I have defiantly noticed a trend with the way liberals process information
    that they don't like. Even though I spoke the absolute truth and I did not
    say all Muslims. But it wasn't exactly a Christian church group that flew a jet liner each into the World Trade Towers in NYC.

    You're right, I do blame them and I also Do Not Forget!
    What is the number where you conclude a few too many?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, December 07, 2022 04:14:36
    Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp skrev 2022-12-07 03:32:
    What is the number where you conclude a few too many?

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents, making up about 25% of the world population.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Saturday, December 10, 2022 04:12:53
    On 07 Dec 2022, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp skrev 2022-12-07 03:32:
    What is the number where you conclude a few too many?

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents, making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the other
    75% (being non-muslium born) I have never heard of these peoples from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    Here in America, African-Americans make up for 13.6% of the population does this mean that the rest of us, whomsoever makes up for the other 86.4%
    (being non-black born) have to put up with BLM, bail reform, repeated
    criminal offenses that in many cases are a -revolving door.
    Especially as seen in many Democratic Cities across the United States.

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?
    I'll tell you what has happened the liberal-mind has crept it's way into convincing others that their liberal polices and initiatives make for good common sense when in fact they do nothing of the sort.

    Since there is no current vaccine for stupid.

    (Just as you have summarized from above it was only 19 out of 1.97 billion)
    I think it is a matter of time before the ways of world will have a revelation that will clearly indicate what was introduced in the before time was barbaric and then we all can return to a time of peace and tranquility.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, December 10, 2022 13:42:21
    Gregory Deyss -> Bjrn Felten skrev 2022-12-10 10:12:
    (Just as you have summarized from above it was only 19 out of 1.97 billion)
    I think it is a matter of time before the ways of world will have a revelation
    that will clearly indicate what was introduced in the before time was barbaric
    and then we all can return to a time of peace and tranquility.

    Unless you've been living in a cave the last year, you should already have witnessed how more than 300 thousand Christians invaded a peaceful country, committing the worst war crimes the world has ever seen.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, December 11, 2022 00:04:00
    On 12-10-22 04:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Bjrn Felten about Re: Muslims <=-

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents, making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the
    other 75% (being non-muslium born) I have never heard of these peoples from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    Here in America, African-Americans make up for 13.6% of the population does this mean that the rest of us, whomsoever makes up for the other 86.4% (being non-black born) have to put up with BLM, bail reform, repeated criminal offenses that in many cases are a -revolving door. Especially as seen in many Democratic Cities across the United States.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what
    they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not
    mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences,
    housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while
    black.

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?

    Good point. When can the black people have that?

    I'll tell you what has happened the liberal-mind has crept it's way
    into convincing others that their liberal polices and initiatives make
    for good common sense when in fact they do nothing of the sort.

    It makes good common sense that all people should be treated equally and
    to realize that it is not yet the case that they are.

    Since there is no current vaccine for stupid.

    Tell that to some of your Republican politicians.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sunday, December 11, 2022 09:59:00
    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents, making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the other 75% (being non-muslium born) I have never heard of these peoples from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    Not exactly true. With jets, yes, but 9/11 was not even the first time the World Trade Center was attacked by muslim extremists. There was an
    attempt 8 or so years before to bring them down by detonating some car
    bombs in the garages underneath.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what
    they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not
    mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences,
    housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while
    black.

    Disportionate arrests happen because the persons commiting those crimes
    are, in urban areas, disportionately black. Where I live, they are disportionately white, but I don't live in an urban area so the crimes
    don't make the TV news (we have none) or the internet. You have to read the local paper to learn about them. "Those crimes" are usually drug-related
    or some sort of theft.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sunday, December 11, 2022 04:11:43
    Hello Bjrn,

    (Just as you have summarized from above it was only 19 out of 1.97
    billion)
    I think it is a matter of time before the ways of world will have a
    revelation
    that will clearly indicate what was introduced in the before time was
    barbaric
    and then we all can return to a time of peace and tranquility.

    Unless you've been living in a cave the last year, you should already have witnessed how more than 300 thousand Christians invaded a peaceful country,
    committing the worst war crimes the world has ever seen.

    Say wha'? Putin's army of 300,000 Christians cannot manage to conquer
    a peaceful country of 43 million Christians? Talk about incompetent ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Monday, December 12, 2022 00:08:00
    On 12-11-22 09:59, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-


    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    Not exactly true. With jets, yes, but 9/11 was not even the first
    time the World Trade Center was attacked by muslim extremists. There
    was an attempt 8 or so years before to bring them down by detonating
    some car bombs in the garages underneath.

    That was done by the same group of muslim extremists.

    It is true that there have been other bombings. I can recall that there
    was a building at University of Wisconsin, Madison that was bombed as a
    protest to Viet Nam War. That one is personal to me since I spent a lot
    of time in that building but left UW about a year before the bomb.

    There was Timothy McVay who did a car bomb on an Oklahoma building which
    pretty much destroyed the building.

    There was a bombing of the Boston Marathon by two people.

    There may have been other bombings that don't come to mind right now.
    I believe that all of these were done by white American citizens. None
    of the other bombings approach the damage and loss of life that occurred
    for the 9/11 bombing of the World Trade center and the Pentagon.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not
    mattered -- e.g. lynching, disproportionate arrests and jail sentences, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while
    black.

    Disportionate arrests happen because the persons commiting those
    crimes are, in urban areas, disportionately black.

    Partly true, but look at the arrests and the term of jail time for
    cocaine. White people were the primary users of cocaine powder. Black
    people mostly used crack cocaine. The term of sentences for crack were
    larger than those for powder cocaine. I don't know why, but that used to
    be true (but may have been modified to put penalty for each in parity).

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, December 13, 2022 22:37:43
    Hello Gregory,

    What is the number where you conclude a few too many?

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents,
    making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the other 75% (being non-muslium born) I have never heard of these peoples from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/157082/islamophobia-understanding-anti -muslim-sentiment-west.aspx


    What do the numbers say? Here are some real numbers, from gallup poll.
    From several different countries. How do peoples from around the world
    view muslims? It does differ from people to people, from country to
    country. And yet, some things remain the same.

    Here in America, African-Americans make up for 13.6% of the population does
    this mean that the rest of us, whomsoever makes up for the other 86.4% (being non-black born) have to put up with BLM, bail reform, repeated criminal offenses that in many cases are a -revolving door.
    Especially as seen in many Democratic Cities across the United States.

    Blacks in America and Blacks in Africa are really like two different
    peoples. Richard Pryor used to view Black folks as being the same the
    world over, whether in America, Africa, Asia, Europe, or wherever.
    But that all changed when he traveled to Africa. Then he decided to
    travel to Africa, and found out how mistaken he truly was.

    From that point on, Pryor never said the word "nigger" in public.

    During the Persian Gulf War, many Americans joked about US soldiers
    going to war against "sandniggers" - a derogatory reference to Muslims
    in that part of the world. This was war made for television, courtesy
    of President George H.W. Bush. Muslims were viewed as subhuman, not
    even worthy of being called "civilized".

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?

    After the events of 9/11, President George W. Bush traveled to
    a mosque in NYC and called Islam a "religion of peace" - then called
    on the US to lead a "War on Terror" against a most evil adversary ...

    I'll tell you what has happened the liberal-mind has crept it's way into convincing others that their liberal polices and initiatives make for good common sense when in fact they do nothing of the sort.

    George W. Bush is the guy who made war on a verb. So please, do not
    blame liberals for that fiasco.

    Since there is no current vaccine for stupid.

    I can fix many things. But one thing I cannot fix is stupid.

    (Just as you have summarized from above it was only 19 out of 1.97 billion)

    What a silly mistake. Everybody knows it was 20 out of 1.97 billion.
    The lone survivor is rotting away in some prison in the US serving a
    life sentence. Not really sure who pays for his pine box when he goes
    to paradise. None were needed for his accomplices.

    I think it is a matter of time before the ways of world will have a revelation that will clearly indicate what was introduced in the before time was barbaric and then we all can return to a time of peace and tranquility.

    Islam literally means "peace and submission" - but submission
    to who, or what? That is the question.

    For Life,
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, December 13, 2022 22:38:03
    Hello Dale,

    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    Not exactly true. With jets, yes, but 9/11 was not even the first
    time the World Trade Center was attacked by muslim extremists. There
    was an attempt 8 or so years before to bring them down by detonating
    some car bombs in the garages underneath.

    That was done by the same group of muslim extremists.

    There is no such thing as "muslim extremists" - as muslims reject
    violence as being antithetical to their religious faith. The same
    can be said about "christian extremists" - such as the Army of God,
    whose members included Timothy McVeigh.

    It is true that there have been other bombings. I can recall that there was a building at University of Wisconsin, Madison that was bombed as a protest to Viet Nam War. That one is personal to me since I spent a lot of time in that building but left UW about a year before the bomb.

    Jesus was not a pacifist. But he was also not a pushover, or a wimp.
    The same can be said of other religious leaders. Both Christian and non-Christian. So why do some who claim to be religious call others
    to arms, as expressed in the song "Onward Christian Soldiers"?

    There was Timothy McVay who did a car bomb on an Oklahoma building which pretty much destroyed the building.

    Timothy McVeigh was raised Catholic. Served honorably in the US Army.
    After completing his service, he joined the Army of God, a Christian
    militia group (white supremacist type). Brought his brother on board,
    learned how to build a bomb from a Muslim guy in the Philippines, and
    then rented a U-Haul-It, filled it with fertiler, and parked it just
    outside the federal building in Oklahoma City.

    He almost got away it. Had even been brought in for questioning,
    and released. But some guy recognized him as he was walking out of
    town and his days of freedom finally came to an end.

    There was a bombing of the Boston Marathon by two people.

    One brother was killed. The other brother sentenced to life.
    And then re-sentenced to death because the people did not like
    the first verdict. Talk about justice in the USA.

    There may have been other bombings that don't come to mind right now.
    I believe that all of these were done by white American citizens. None
    of the other bombings approach the damage and loss of life that occurred for the 9/11 bombing of the World Trade center and the Pentagon.

    There was one bombing in Baton Rouge that was done by the Black
    Panthers. Governor McKeithen knew what to do. He ordered the State
    Police to set up a road block, which soon apprehended the suspects.
    A shootout ensued, and all the suspects were left dead. There was
    no need for a trial.

    Yes, all the police were white. And all the suspects were black.
    The state of Louisiana never had any trouble with Black Panthers
    ever again.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what
    they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not
    mattered -- e.g. lynching, disproportionate arrests and jail sentences,
    housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while
    black.

    Disportionate arrests happen because the persons commiting those
    crimes are, in urban areas, disportionately black.

    Partly true, but look at the arrests and the term of jail time for cocaine. White people were the primary users of cocaine powder.

    The other day in Baton Rouge there was a car chase. Some black guy
    was driving a car, at high speed, along the interstate, plowing through
    cars along the way. After several miles, and wrecked cars, his car
    finally came to a full stop. Then he took off running, with one cop
    following and shooting real bullets while at it. The suspect did
    not survive. Inside his wrecked car was found some 250 pounds of
    cocaine. Not sure where he got it from, or where it was intended ...

    Black people mostly used crack cocaine.

    Black folk like crack form, white folk like powder form.
    But why? Cost is the main factor ...

    The term of sentences for crack were larger than those for powder cocaine.

    It's pretty easy to figure out why.

    I don't know why, but that used to be true (but may have been modified to put penalty for each in parity).

    Cocaine is cocaine, whether in crack form or powder form.
    But is easier to distribute if in crack form.
    Ten parts crack form weighs the same as one part powder form.
    But if carrying ten parts then can be charged with intent to distribute
    rather than simple possession. Ergo, harsher sentence.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tuesday, December 13, 2022 18:33:00
    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    Not exactly true. With jets, yes, but 9/11 was not even the first
    time the World Trade Center was attacked by muslim extremists. There was an attempt 8 or so years before to bring them down by detonating some car bombs in the garages underneath.

    That was done by the same group of muslim extremists.

    Are you sure? The extremists who flew the planes had been in the USA but
    not that long. I worked with one of the car bombers. He seemed like a
    nice guy so I suspect he got radicalized after he left our workplace. He
    had been here since at least 1988, when I first started working there.

    There was a bombing of the Boston Marathon by two people.

    There may have been other bombings that don't come to mind right now.
    I believe that all of these were done by white American citizens. None
    of the other bombings approach the damage and loss of life that occurred
    for the 9/11 bombing of the World Trade center and the Pentagon.

    I don't know about the UW one, but OK City was. Boston was not. The one
    that lived was a dual-citizen of the US and a former Soviet republic, while
    his brother was not a citizen. The wikipedia article about the Boston
    Marathon bombing links to a larger article about Islamic terrorism in the US.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, December 15, 2022 00:44:44
    Hello Dale,

    Disportionate arrests happen because the persons commiting those
    crimes are, in urban areas, disportionately black.

    Cocaine is cocaine, dude. But that is not the issue.

    Partly true, but look at the arrests and the term of jail time for cocaine. White people were the primary users of cocaine powder. Black people mostly used crack cocaine. The term of sentences for crack were larger than those for powder cocaine. I don't know why, but that used to be true (but may have been modified to put penalty for each in parity).

    It is not a question as to who uses cocaine, or in what form they
    use it. It is a question of what form that cocaine is distributed as.
    IOW, the amount one is sentenced for is the same for each category,
    regardless of race. But since more black folks distribute crack ...

    From the ACLU -

    A comprehensive examination of the 100-to-1 crack versus powder cocaine sentencing disparity under which distribution of just 5 grams of crack
    carries a minimum 5-year federal prison sentence, while distribution of
    500 grams of powder cocaine carries the same 5-year mandatory minimum
    sentence.

    Feel free to download the entire report. Shows some twenty years
    of federal discrepancy ...

    For Life,
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, December 15, 2022 09:32:30
    Say wha'? Putin's army of 300,000 Christians cannot manage to conquer
    a peaceful country of 43 million Christians? Talk about incompetent ...

    300k bad Christians are no match for 43M good Christians.

    74M bad Christians are no match for 81M good Christians.

    Keep the hope up, y'all.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, December 18, 2022 00:02:00
    On 12-17-22 12:36, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents,
    making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the
    other 75% (being non-muslium born) I have never
    heard of these people
    from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    How many attacks do we need before we seriously question with a stern
    gaze and have the dialog that is very much necessary that would keep
    these people out. Killing of the innocent must not be tolerated. The

    Just what do you mean by "these people"? I have doubts that you are
    limiting your statement to just the terrorists who commit such an act --
    but expand it to all muslims.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while black.

    I think your exaggerating more then just a little bit.
    Life is what you make it, there have been many blacks that have come
    from very poor backgrounds that have risen to become super rich.

    True, but many are ham-stringed by the environment they have been forced
    to live in.

    Lynchings? Jim Crow era and all of those references of the past are

    While lynchings may be in the past, none of the rest are.

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?

    Good point. When can the black people have that?

    Do you really want to spell it out for you. Fine. Not a problem.
    The accountability that I am talking about is free from screaming with rage and anger as you move down the street, it is also free from
    smashing windows of businesses, it does not include uncontrolled fires that melt down a plastic trash cans to a puddle in the middle of the street. Nor does it include raiding
    of department stores, in addition it need not cost millions of dollars
    to put things back to the way they were, all because some people feel slighted for whatever the reason.

    And there you go again, blaming a large segment of Americans for what
    some have done. So instead, find and prosecute those who are guilty.

    These types of disgusting behaviors have been unacceptable within a civilized society, for many many years.

    True -- so go after the people who are doing such behavior and not
    against everyone who just happens to share the same skin color or other
    trait.

    Cut it out with the BLM crap

    So long as you call it crap, you do not understand what they are saying.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Kevin Koch on Sunday, December 18, 2022 08:24:02
    If cocaine is cocaine, then i need you to write a grant letter
    requesting money so I can start a non profit organization to test the quality of the cocaine floating around the USA..

    We need somebody we can trust; Hunter's not telling us where to get the best stuff, and you know that bas**** knows *precisely* where it's at. The Bidens are good for NOTHING.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, December 18, 2022 23:21:58
    Hello Greg,

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents,
    making up about 25% of the world population.

    [..]

    How many attacks do we need before we seriously question with a stern gaze and have the dialog that is very much necessary that would keep these people out.

    There are far more religious people than non-religious people in this
    world of ours. How do you propose we manage to keep them all out of
    this country so that everyone here will be safe? What are we going to
    do about all the religious people who are already in this country?

    Killing of the innocent must not be tolerated.

    There are no innocents in this world.

    The penalty must be severe.

    Are you suggesting we kill them all, let God sort them out?
    Or would doing so make ourselves God?

    Specially if you wish to bring harm to people that do not follow your barbaric teachings and to be blunt f*cked up philosophical ideas.

    Islam means "peace and submission." The full phrase "peace and
    submission to the will of Allah." Does that explain why a small
    handful of terrorists hijacked four passenger airplanes and did
    their own thing on 9/11?

    What about Timothy McVeigh, who was raised Catholic, served in
    the US armed forces, and then joined the Army of God? We all know
    what he did. Rented a truck, filled it with fertilizer and ammonia,
    parked it outside a federal building in Oklahoma City, and then
    blew it up, walking away from the scene with a smile on his face.

    168 dead. Men, women, and children. All done in by a Christian holy
    man on his own mission from hell.

    So much for the Christian "Thou shalt not kill" concept. But then,
    look what Jews did to Jesus, who thought he truly deserved it.

    [..]

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize
    what
    they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not
    mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences,
    housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while
    black.

    I think your exaggerating more then just a little bit.
    Life is what you make it, there have been many blacks that have come from very poor backgrounds that have risen to become super rich.

    Folks such as Bill Cosby? He can rot in hell.

    Lynchings? Jim Crow era and all of those references of the past are carefully
    crafted comments all designed to do one thing and it has nothing to do with
    helping Black people, but it does keep these useful idiots known as democrats
    elected at every election cycle.

    The new Jim Crow is voter suppression laws, passed by several states,
    mostly in the deep south.

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?

    Good point. When can the black people have that?

    Do you really want to spell it out for you. Fine. Not a problem.

    Seems to have been a very real problem for those who stormed the
    Capitol Building on January 6, all of them encouraged to do so by
    their leader, Donald J. Trump.

    The accountability that I am talking about is free from screaming with rage
    and anger as you move down the street, it is also free

    The people of this country have the right to peaceful protest
    under our US Constitution, namely the First Amendment. This does
    not include the actions of insurrectionists on January 6, 2021 -
    whose actions were far from peaceful.

    These types of disgusting behaviors have been unacceptable within a civilized society, for many many years.

    Donald J. Trump & his ilk are not what I call part of what I call
    a civilized society.

    Cut it out with the BLM crap All Lives Matter.

    Blsck Lives Matter more than ever, especially since their votes
    are not wanted or even counted by folks such as Donald J. Trump.

    I live in the city of Troy, New York, I co-exist with Black People everyday.

    Congratulations. Perhaps you should also try to co-exist with Brown
    People. And Red People. And Yellow People. And even Green People.

    I recently moved to Troy from Nassau, NY 12123.

    People in the USA do tend to move around a lot. Sometimes because
    they want to. Other times because they have to. And then there are
    others who have no choice ...

    I introduced myself to my new neighbors who are black.

    Why is that important?

    (it's just who I am.)

    Some folks prefer to be left alone, not to be bothered with.

    Not because I had to, but because I wanted to.

    By what right did you have to impose on their privacy?

    Why?

    "Because you wanted to" is an extremely selfish reason. More like
    an excuse rather than a reason. So why did you do it?

    beyond the idea of just being friendly and neighborly.

    Did you even ask if you could come over to visit them?
    White guy, comes over unannounced to visit black neighbors,
    even while not wearing a white sheet, would most likely
    not be a welcome sight. Might even scare the living shit
    of them.

    I wanted them to know that they need not fear me but mostly not to think of
    me as being someone that they should be suspicious about.

    Fred Trump was arrested on charges of being a white racist after
    he was spotted taking part in a KKK parade. But since he lived with
    his mother, and it was his first offense, charges were dropped and
    he was released. This was all reported on the Rachel Maddow show
    some years ago on MSNBC. She has a PhD, so she should know.

    Does that mean Donald J. Trump is also a white racist? He certainly
    acts like one, given the guests he has had at his not so secret hideout
    at Mar-a-Lago.

    I know very well that this type thing is considered within certain circles of the black community, "oh he white".. and all of these lack of considerations that are beyond ridiculous things that are within the minds of some; such as White Privilege.

    You are deluded. Totally deluded. You know as well as I do that
    every black man (and woman) wants to be white. If you do not believe
    me, just ask Jesse Jackson.

    My neighbor on the other side is white, I was out in the backyard with my dog Rex the other neighbor had a raging fire within a hearth fireplace.

    What has that got to do with the price of rice in China?

    It looked very nice, so I motioned over to him with approval as I indicated
    " hey I like that"..

    Dogs are colorblind. People are not.

    He asked me, what my name was, and asked me did I just move in and then he gave his name then he said "Welcome to the Block."

    The phrase "Welcome to the Block" hss several connotations. Not
    necessarily racist, but could be construed as such. I like the way
    Patrick Buchanan (conservative commentator and author) puts it -

    Paraphrasing in general -

    As humans, we are more like a quilt rather than one monolithic
    single-race community. Many faiths, religions, other diversities.
    As individuals, our own prejudices (likes and dislikes).

    The problem is not everybody agrees with that view. And why should
    they? The mixing of races is even subhuman, according to some.

    I do miss Nassau but so far everything is going well and I am closer to things then ever before and I'm becoming a regular at the corner store.

    Many of the places where I grew up are now under water due to
    global warming. So even if I could return there, nobody would be
    around.

    [..]

    Ok.. End the social & economic programs, and other handouts for the downtrodden. Programs like: WIC, HEAP, Food Stamps, SSI, Section 8 housing,
    Cash Assistance, State Medicaid. As well end all grants targeted based on the color of ones skin. Talk about Racist....

    A government that collects no taxes can provide no services ...

    They should do as I do.

    Donald J. Trump is a tax cheat. And proud of it. Mitt Romney is also
    a tax cheat. And proud of it. But at least Mitt Romney never lied or
    tried to hide anything.

    Just like the majority of all of us do every single day.

    I am not a tax cheat. The vast majority of Americans are also
    not tax cheats. But Donald J. Trump admits he is a tax cheat. And
    says nobody has any business to view his income returns.

    We all know how that went, due to recent court rulings.

    You want something? Then work for it.

    Most wealthy folks who want something do so the old-fashioned way.
    They inherit it.

    End the notion, that seems to say sitting on your porch steps all-day does not make you special.

    Inheritance does have its benefits. But "conservatives" want to
    exempt "death taxes" - thus making all inheritances free from taxation.

    Since there is no current vaccine for stupid.

    Tell that to some of your Republican politicians.

    It may surprise you I am not registered as a Republican, and I sure as hell
    not a Democrat.

    Then who, or what, are you?

    I am registered as a Conservative.

    There is no Conservative Party.
    Not in America.
    Maybe in England.
    But only until the next election.

    This... you should of known.

    There is also no Liberal Party ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kevin Koch on Sunday, December 18, 2022 23:22:14
    Hello Kevin,

    Cocaine is cocaine, whether in crack form or powder form.
    But is easier to distribute if in crack form.
    Ten parts crack form weighs the same as one part powder form.
    But if carrying ten parts then can be charged with intent to distribute
    rather than simple possession. Ergo, harsher sentence.

    If cocaine is cocaine, then i need you to write a grant letter requesting money so I can start a non profit organization to test the quality of the cocaine floating around the USA..

    You do realize there is only one way to properly determine
    the difference, much less the quality, of crack vs rock candy ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, December 17, 2022 12:36:06
    On 11 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    250/1
    On 12-10-22 04:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Bjrn Felten about Re: Muslims <=-

    It sure as hell takes more than 19 out of 1.97 billion adherents, making up about 25% of the world population.

    Your statement says nothing. Furthermore whomsoever makes up for the other 75% (being non-muslium born) I have never heard of these people from ANY country deliberately crashing Jet-liners into buildings.

    While that is a true statement, it is only true because the 9/11 attack
    is the only one of its kind that has happened.

    How many attacks do we need before we seriously question with a stern gaze and have the dialog that is very much necessary that would keep these people out. Killing of the innocent must not be tolerated. The penalty must be severe. Specially if you wish to bring harm to people that do not follow your
    barbaric teachings and to be blunt f*cked up philosophical ideas.

    Here in America, African-Americans make up for 13.6% of the populatio does this mean that the rest of us, whomsoever makes up for the other 86.4% (being non-black born) have to put up with BLM, bail reform, repeated criminal offenses that in many cases are a -revolving door. Especially as seen in many Democratic Cities across the United States

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while black.

    I think your exaggerating more then just a little bit.
    Life is what you make it, there have been many blacks that have come from
    very poor backgrounds that have risen to become super rich.

    Lynchings? Jim Crow era and all of those references of the past are carefully crafted comments all designed to do one thing and it has nothing to do with helping Black people, but it does keep these useful idiots known as democrats elected at every election cycle.

    What has ever happened to accountability and living in peace?

    Good point. When can the black people have that?

    Do you really want to spell it out for you. Fine. Not a problem.
    The accountability that I am talking about is free from screaming with rage
    and anger as you move down the street, it is also free from smashing windows
    of businesses, it does not include uncontrolled fires that melt down a plastic trash cans to a puddle in the middle of the street. Nor does it include raiding of department stores, in addition it need not cost millions of dollars to put things back to the way they were, all because some people feel slighted for whatever the reason.

    These types of disgusting behaviors have been unacceptable within a civilized society, for many many years. Cut it out with the BLM crap All Lives Matter.

    I live in the city of Troy, New York, I co-exist with Black People everyday.
    I recently moved to Troy from Nassau, NY 12123. I introduced myself to my
    new neighbors who are black. (it's just who I am.) Not because I had to, but because I wanted to. Why? beyond the idea of just being friendly and neighborly. I wanted them to know that they need not fear me but mostly not to think of me as being someone that they should be suspicious about.

    I know very well that this type thing is considered within certain circles of the black community, "oh he white".. and all of these lack of considerations that are beyond ridiculous things that are within the minds of some; such as White Privilege.

    My neighbor on the other side is white, I was out in the backyard with my dog Rex the other neighbor had a raging fire within a hearth fireplace. It looked very nice, so I motioned over to him with approval as I indicated " hey I like that".. He asked me, what my name was, and asked me did I just move in and then he gave his name then he said "Welcome to the Block."

    I do miss Nassau but so far everything is going well and I am closer to things then ever before and I'm becoming a regular at the corner store.

    I'll tell you what has happened the liberal-mind has crept it's way into convincing others that their liberal polices and initiatives make for good common sense when in fact they do nothing of the sort.

    It makes good common sense that all people should be treated equally and
    to realize that it is not yet the case that they are.
    Ok.. End the social & economic programs, and other handouts for the downtrodden.
    Programs like: WIC, HEAP, Food Stamps, SSI, Section 8 housing, Cash Assistance, State Medicaid. As well end all grants targeted based on the color of ones skin. Talk about Racist....

    They should do as I do. Just like the majority of all of us do every single day. You want something? Then work for it. End the notion, that seems to say sitting on your porch steps all-day does not make you special.

    Since there is no current vaccine for stupid.

    Tell that to some of your Republican politicians.
    It may surprise you I am not registered as a Republican, and I sure as hell
    not a Democrat. I am registered as a Conservative.
    This... you should of known.

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  • From Kevin Koch@1:123/525.1 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, December 17, 2022 18:44:36
    Cocaine is cocaine, whether in crack form or powder form.
    But is easier to distribute if in crack form.
    Ten parts crack form weighs the same as one part powder form.
    But if carrying ten parts then can be charged with intent to distribute rather than simple possession. Ergo, harsher sentence.


    If cocaine is cocaine, then i need you to write a grant letter requesting money so I can start a non profit organization to test the quality of the cocaine floating around the USA..

    ... Save a tree, eat a beaver!

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  • From Kevin Koch@1:123/525.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, December 19, 2022 17:45:49
    We need somebody we can trust; Hunter's not telling us where to get the be stuff, and you know that bas**** knows *precisely* where it's at. The Bide are good for NOTHING.

    You are right. He's holdin back on the good stuff.. Bush Jr. sold the last known batch ofthe good stuff

    ... Never mind the oxygen. This man's a donor.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, December 23, 2022 01:13:29
    On 18 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-17-22 12:36, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    How many attacks do we need before we seriously question with a stern gaze and have the dialog that is very much necessary that would keep these people out. Killing of the innocent must not be tolerated. The

    Just what do you mean by "these people"? I have doubts that you are limiting your statement to just the terrorists who commit such an act -- but expand it to all muslims.

    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, no alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?
    No one checked their background histories before being allowed in the U.S.?

    Perhaps it was a a breakdown of communication or maybe it was because no one dared to have them under any kind of surveillance for fear that they would be judged; as your judging me for referring to them as "these people"
    Perhaps they too, did not want to looked at strangely for being what would be labeled as overly suspicious.

    One thing is abundantly clear they sure fooled us, sure enough with a flash of their pearly white smile and the tall dark and handsome persona and they used this against us to kill the innocent and of course themselves.
    Why is that? because they had some ridiculous notion that 72 virgins where waiting for them at the moment of death?
    You're are dam right that I refer to them as "these people."
    If more people did then perhaps the chaos and the slaughter could of been averted.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize wh they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not mattered -- e.g. lynching, disportionate arrests and jail sentences, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while black.

    I think your exaggerating more then just a little bit.
    Life is what you make it, there have been many blacks that have come from very poor backgrounds that have risen to become super rich.
    True, but many are ham-stringed by the environment they have been
    forced DS> to live in.

    Who is forcing anyone to live poor conditions w/ squalor and filth? Ham-stringed you say? It sounds like a convenient excuse that is all too often mentioned. I do not force people to live like this, they are as free to do as much or as little as they desire, just as I am.

    You are talking like such peoples have a economic handicap. It may surprise
    you that people choose to live like this, where I do obviously not.
    why is that?

    Black People have social programs that lend themselves to handouts and
    don't even get me started on affirmative action. I do not need any of these motivations to maintain my lifestyle that I desire. why is that?

    Do you really want to spell it out for you. Fine. Not a problem.
    The accountability that I am talking about is free from screaming wit rage and anger as you move down the street, it is also free from smashing windows of businesses, it does not include uncontrolled fire that melt down a plastic trash cans to a puddle in the middle of the street. Nor does it include raiding
    of department stores, in addition it need not cost millions of dollar to put things back to the way they were, all because some people feel slighted for whatever the reason.

    And there you go again, blaming a large segment of Americans for what
    some have done. So instead, find and prosecute those who are guilty.

    Yeah sure, when black people make up for less than 15% of the population, here in the U.S. it is something that should be looked at with some kind of question.

    Cut it out with the BLM crap

    So long as you call it crap, you do not understand what they are saying.

    Perhaps you are unaware of Patrisse Cullors or even know that she lives in a multi-million dollar gated white community with money that she stole from BLM (she profited and benefited herself) with this money & perhaps you do not know that she did not DO anything for these poor black communities that she was hollering and marching in? why is that?

    Instead of looking at Trump's taxes maybe someone should look at hers.
    Then dropkick the opportunist back to the ghetto, where she obviously belongs.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, December 24, 2022 00:02:00
    On 12-23-22 01:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    Just what do you mean by "these people"? I have doubts that you are limiting your statement to just the terrorists who commit such an act -- but expand it to all muslims.

    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, no alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?

    No one checked their background histories before being allowed in the U.S.?

    Do you know that did not happen? Who would you cause to be checked.

    Perhaps it was a a breakdown of communication or maybe it was because
    no one dared to have them under any kind of surveillance for fear that they would be judged; as your judging me for referring to them as
    "these people" Perhaps they too, did not want to looked at strangely
    for being what would be labeled as overly suspicious.

    What we have here is a failure to understand. Your language implies that
    you would put restrictions on all muslims. That is overkill. Next
    would be all Catholics (because of the Oklahoma bombing). When would
    the restrictions get to you and me?

    You're are dam right that I refer to them as "these people."
    If more people did then perhaps the chaos and the slaughter could of
    been averted.

    If so, then at what cost to the freedoms of millions of innocent people.

    The answer to BLM is that you and others should wake up and realize what they are saying: namely that for far too long, black lives have not mattered -- e.g. lynching, disproportionate arrests and jail sentences, housing discrimination, educational discrimination, and driving while black.

    I think your exaggerating more then just a little bit.
    Life is what you make it, there have been many blacks that have come
    from very poor backgrounds that have risen to become super rich.

    True, but many are ham-stringed by the environment they have been
    forced to live in.

    Who is forcing anyone to live poor conditions w/ squalor and filth? Ham-stringed you say? It sounds like a convenient excuse that is all
    too often mentioned. I do not force people to live like this, they are
    as free to do as much or as little as they desire, just as I am.

    Perhaps you as an individual do not, but for many society has put them
    into a situation that is not easy to get out of.

    You are talking like such peoples have a economic handicap. It may surprise you that people choose to live like this, where I do obviously not. why is that?

    Why do you think that they "choose"? I think that they are forced. And
    it is not easy to work their way out of that situation.

    Black People have social programs that lend themselves to handouts and don't even get me started on affirmative action. I do not need any of these motivations to maintain my lifestyle that I desire. why is that?

    Take a hard look, and make a guess.

    Cut it out with the BLM crap

    So long as you call it crap, you do not understand what they are saying.

    Perhaps you are unaware of Patrisse Cullors or even know that she
    lives in a multi-million dollar gated white community with money that
    she stole from BLM (she profited and benefited herself) with this money
    & perhaps you do not know that she did not DO anything for these poor black communities that she was hollering and marching in? why is that?

    You could pick similar examples from other groups -- e.g. the head of
    the NRA, Trump, the heads of mega churches, and more. That does not
    mean that the members of those groups are similarly corrupt.

    Instead of looking at Trump's taxes maybe someone should look at hers.

    Go for it -- BOTH of them.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, December 24, 2022 12:21:47
    On 24 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 12-23-22 01:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    Just what do you mean by "these people"? I have doubts that you are limiting your statement to just the terrorists who commit such an act but expand it to all muslims.

    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, n alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?
    That is not what I am saying, but you already knew that. What should be abundantly obvious was that there was no pause with these particular set of circumstances. It wouldn't be beyond the norm to stop and think about it.
    You have a foreigner in front of you making an inquiry w/ an interest to obtain flight training to fly a jet liner. rrrright... All kinds of bells should be going off within one head.

    Additionally, due to what has happened on 9/11 these types of flight instructions or flight school training inquiries should not be offered to just anyone individual making such a request. They should only be made available to those persons who have been sanctioned by an airline furthermore there should be a security procedure that would verify that this request is valid and legitimate and then should only be offered, once this compliance has been met. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the present day process that exists today.

    (What is extraordinary that I can see & imagine this to be the normal flow. Where you seem to have difficulty processing this type of normalcy, this is of course due to liberal way of thinking as it is interfering w/ commonsense.


    No one checked their background histories before being allowed in
    the DS> GD> U.S.?
    Do you know that did not happen? Who would you cause to be checked.
    It's called clearance.

    What we have here is a failure to understand. Your language implies that you would put restrictions on all muslims. That is overkill. Next
    would be all Catholics (because of the Oklahoma bombing). When would
    the restrictions get to you and me?
    I do believe or at least I would like to think that the thought of these evil intentions would horrify most people and that most followers of Islam are peaceful, even kind and benevolent.

    A good read
    Violent and Non-Violent Extremism:
    Two Sides of the Same Coin?
    International Centre for Counter-Terrorism
    ICCT Research Paper May 2014
    https://tinyurl.com/2tkb9xe6

    Who is forcing anyone to live poor conditions w/ squalor and filth? Ham-stringed you say? It sounds like a convenient excuse that is all too often mentioned. I do not force people to live like this, they are as free to do as much or as little as they desire, just as I am.
    Perhaps you as an individual do not, but for many society has put them into a situation that is not easy to get out of.

    This is because people have something called an opinion, I would not refer to this with the use of the stronger word of "Judgment" due to it's implication that produces more of a permanent thought.
    It does make one wonder why someone can not rise or have the ability to
    improve themselves for what is known as a better tomorrow.

    You are talking like such peoples have a economic handicap. It may surprise you that people choose to live like this, where I do obvious not. why is that?

    Why do you think that they "choose"? I think that they are forced. And it is not easy to work their way out of that situation.

    Why do I think that they choose, because it is all that they know, due to living in such places; this is called roots, the place where you grew up.
    It's familiar - what is wrong with that? I do however disagree and flat out find it disturbing that society is to be blamed for a certain lack of vision, and then to rally or to protest and sometimes with violence and rage.

    Logic would suggest that these are repeated poor choices are the cause and reasons as to why they have not supplied the best outcome. It is because one does not think things through. Therefore it does have more to do with the individual and it is not societies fault, [to suggest that] is a baseless blanket statement that does not fit nor is it kind to blame society for the problems of others, specially when there is the personal selection of "choice".

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, December 26, 2022 14:18:00
    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, no alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, December 26, 2022 22:27:13
    Mike Powell -> DALE SHIPP skrev 2022-12-26 20:18:
    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone wants to
    learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    You obviously have never tried to get a pilot's licence. I have it, and I find your comment one of the most stupid and ignorant I have ever seen.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Monday, December 26, 2022 22:47:03
    You obviously have never tried to get a pilot's licence. I have it,
    and I find your comment one of the most stupid and ignorant I have ever seen.

    The average person doesn't have a pilot's license. That's not ignorance; being full of oneself, conceitedness, ethnocentrism, media-parroting, "These are a few of Bjorn's fav-or-ite things, nah nah nah, nah nah.." ;)

    Merry Christmas, communist! ;) How's the holiday? Do they let you have a few drinks on Christmas?? I hope so! Cheers bud!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 00:48:00
    On 12-26-22 14:18, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-


    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, no alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 00:50:02
    On 12-26-22 22:27, Bjrn Felten <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Muslims <=-

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off
    anytime anyone wants to
    learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    You obviously have never tried to get a pilot's licence.
    I have it, and I find your comment one of the most stupid
    and ignorant I have ever seen.

    I'm curious as to why you say that? I have never attempted to get a
    pilot license and so am ignorant of the procedures. I did once fly a
    small plane when I was pre-teen, that is if taking the stick in my hands
    for a couple of minutes while air borne counts as flying:-}}

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 14:01:07
    Hello Mike,

    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place, no
    alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet liner?

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone wants to
    learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was
    the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    Three of the four pilots landed their planes right on target.
    The other pilot never could find the target and the passengers
    blew up the plane just to make sure.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 14:01:14
    Hello Bjrn,

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to
    learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land,
    which
    was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    You obviously have never tried to get a pilot's licence.

    Nobody needs a license to fly a plane.

    I have it, and I find your comment one of the most stupid and ignorant I have ever seen.

    Flying lessons start at about $99/hour (US) for single engine
    private aircraft. I doubt instructors care where students are from.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 16:03:00
    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    I assume they have to have a license, and that there are already some stipulations in place for keeping said license. One of them could be
    reporting suspicious activity.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, December 28, 2022 13:58:22
    Hello Mike,

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to
    land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    I assume they have to have a license, and that there are already some stipulations in place for keeping said license. One of them could be reporting suspicious activity.

    One does not need to have a license in order to take flying lessons,
    or even be a US citizen.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, December 28, 2022 21:26:51
    Hello Mike,

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to
    land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    I assume they have to have a license, and that there are already some stipulations in place for keeping said license. One of them could be reporting suspicious activity.

    You are one stupid fuck. All those pilots on 9/11 got their just
    reward, having earned their license the same way all good Muslims
    do, receiving their fair share of virgins in paradise. But being
    infidel, you wouldn't know that.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, December 29, 2022 00:08:02
    On 12-28-22 13:58, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Muslims <=-


    Hello Mike,

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to
    land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    I assume they have to have a license, and that there are already some stipulations in place for keeping said license. One of them could be reporting suspicious activity.

    One does not need to have a license in order to take flying lessons,
    or even be a US citizen.

    The license being discussed is for the instructors.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Friday, December 30, 2022 01:07:27
    Hello Dale,

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone
    wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn
    to
    land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to
    report such things to some authority?

    I assume they have to have a license, and that there are already some
    stipulations in place for keeping said license. One of them could be
    reporting suspicious activity.

    One does not need to have a license in order to take flying lessons,
    or even be a US citizen.

    The license being discussed is for the instructors.

    Only to be certified. Not that any of the known terrorists needed
    a certified instructor. Or that such instruction had to be in English.
    Or by anybody who was a US citizen.

    The only mention by the news media was that one of the pilots
    might have taken flying lessons. Was that real or fake news? All
    the pilots were dead. And no flight instructors were interviewed.
    Kind of like the story about passengers overtaking the pilot of
    the plane that went down in Pennsylvania.

    Since no flight instructors were interviewed, how did the news
    media know that none of the terrorists were taught take offs and
    landings? Was it just a wild guess? More likely fake news.

    What really happened? Only four pilots were needed - one for each
    plane. All the passengers, on each plane, were dead before the planes
    crashed. That is why more than four pilots were needed to accomplish
    their mission.

    One of those terrorists actually lived to tell the tale. He was
    found, arrested, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison.

    I wonder what he told those who held him in custody?

    I'll answer that question for you -

    "Not guilty."

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Saturday, December 31, 2022 09:02:04
    On 26 Dec 2022, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    Mike Powell -> DALE SHIPP skrev 2022-12-26 20:18:
    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone wa
    to
    learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, wh was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    You obviously have never tried to get a pilot's licence. I have it,
    and I find your comment one of the most stupid and ignorant I have ever seen.

    It was not your country that was attacked, it was ours.

    There was nothing wrong with what Mike indicated.
    The next time you want to stand in front of one of your delusional liberal friends [in defense of] Make sure your mind is not as empty as the one your defending.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, December 31, 2022 09:32:50
    On 27 Dec 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    250/1
    On 12-26-22 14:18, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-


    How do you think "the terrorists" gained access in the first place alarm bells went off with getting lessons on how to fly a jet line

    And your answer would be "don't allow anyone to learn how to fly"?

    There should have been some alarm bells that go off anytime anyone wants to learn to take off and fly but does not care if they learn to land, which was the case for at least one of the 9/11 pilots.

    That is one of the alarm bells that the pundits said should have gone
    off. Question is: how does the government convince all instructors to report such things to some authority?

    Long before your question was considered, it would of been better to scrutinize the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.
    A deeper dive was uncovered on these sickos, after the horror that was 9/11. It was realized who they were and where they came from.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 01, 2023 00:31:00
    On 12-31-22 09:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent? Or is that just another of
    your assumptions.

    A deeper dive was uncovered on these sickos, after the horror that was 9/11. It was realized who they were and where they came from.

    Yes, after the fact.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 01, 2023 10:20:12
    On 01 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent? Or is that just another of your assumptions.
    Ya know, when you add in that sarcasm at the end and then I come back with a valid reason(s) It's as equivalent as a cream pie pie - right to the face.

    In a word "Passports"

    From the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks
    https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states
    "Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the classified details, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent
    manner, in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    Another snip-it from the same document that is noteworthy

    "National security concerns about foreign students are not new. By the late 1980s the INS had established a Student/School System to track students, but the system did not work.

    After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, when it was discovered that a participant in the plot had been a student who had overstayed his visa, the Department of Justice asked INS to devise a better way to track students. INS officials recommended a new student tracking system and a student ID card that used biometric identifiers. In 1996, Congress mandated a new system to be installed by 1998, without appropriating program funds. The INS scraped together $10 million and piloted a successful student tracking program in the Atlanta area in June 1997, which included a flight school.

    However, advocates of education interests argued that the program would be burdensome and costly. Upon the order of senior INS management, the project manager was replaced. In 1998, INS indefinitely deferred testing of the biometric student ID card.

    The program stalled. Senators declared an interest in repealing the 1996
    law and sought to obstruct further INS funding for it. Thus, when Atta and al Shehhi lied when questioned about their student status on their reentries in January 2001, and when Hanjour failed to show up for the school for which he was issued a visa in December 2000, a student tracking system was far from available to immigration inspectors or agents."

    A deeper dive was uncovered on these sickos, after the horror that was 9/11. It was realized who they were and where they came from.

    Yes, after the fact.
    Yes due to the question. How could something like this of happened?
    In pursuit of those questions many were able to learn the who, what and why.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 01, 2023 23:46:39
    Hello Dale,

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our
    country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent?

    Hearsay is not evidence.

    Or is that just another of your assumptions.

    "Trump is a bad man" seems to have been the mantra of the J6
    commission. But the DOJ cannot prosecute hearsay, as hearsay is
    not evidence.

    "Terrorists are bad people" is also hearsay, especially when
    that hearsay is unsupported and/or unsubstantatiated.

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    An old saying, but also very much true.

    A deeper dive was uncovered on these sickos, after the horror that GD>was
    9/11. It was realized who they were and where they came from.

    Yes, after the fact.

    A propaganda piece is not evidence of anything. There were no
    surviving passports of any of the terrorists who slammed planes
    into skyscrapers, as everybody on board was incinerated. Paper
    burns, same as people.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 01, 2023 23:47:09
    Hello Greg,

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to
    our
    country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent? Or is that just another of
    your assumptions.

    Ya know, when you add in that sarcasm at the end and then I come back with a
    valid reason(s) It's as equivalent as a cream pie pie - right to the face.

    And yet you are unable to show one valid, or even credible, example.

    In a word "Passports"

    Show me.

    From the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks

    Show me the money, honey.

    https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states
    "Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul
    Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the classified details, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner, in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    This is clearly propaganda, as there were no surviving passports.
    All 19 of the terrorists (and their possessions) were incinerated
    when the planes crashed into tall buildings (or into a field in
    Pennsylvania).

    The one surviving terrorist who had chickened out survived only
    because he was not on board any of the planes. What contents he had
    are known only to those who took him away to a life in prison.

    Another snip-it from the same document that is noteworthy

    Noteworthy only in the sense that it is propaganda.

    "National security concerns about foreign students are not new. By the late
    1980s the INS had established a Student/School System to track students, but the system did not work.

    There are thousands of students from foreign countries who are
    attending our grammar schools, high schools, colleges and universities.
    And all these students are suspected of being terrorists? You really
    have to be kidding me.

    What your source is claiming is that the Reagan administration was
    incompetent. As well as the Bush41 administration. Not to mention the
    Clinton administration, when the first bombing of the WTC occurred.

    After thant in the plot had been a student who had overstayed his visa, the
    Department of Justice asked INS to devise a better way to track students.

    The guy who devised the plot was a blind Muslim cleric who was
    older than dirt. The only thing he studied was the Holy Quran.
    He was found, tried and convicted, and sentenced to life in prison.

    INS officials recommended a new student tracking system and a student ID card that used biometric identifiers.

    The only school that blind Muslim cleric attended was the holy
    school of Quran. I hear tuition was free at all mosques.

    In 1996, Congress mandated a new system to be installed by 1998, without appropriating program funds.

    So now you are telling me this was all Bill Clinton's idea, but
    the Republican Congress refused to go along with it.

    The INS scraped together $10 million and piloted a successful student tracking program in the Atlanta area in June 1997, which included a flight school.

    Bill Clinton had to give Newt Gingrich something for his efforts.

    However, advocates of education interests argued that the program would be burdensome and costly. Upon the order of senior INS management, the project
    manager was replaced. In 1998, INS indefinitely deferred testing of the biometric student ID card.

    See there? Bill Clinton had solved the problem. But Republicans
    torpedoed it. So whose fault was it that terrorists rammed planes
    into skyscrapers and the Pentagon killing thousands of Americans?

    The program stalled. Senators declared an interest in repealing the 1996 law and sought to obstruct further INS funding for it.

    All thanks to Newt Gingrich and his Contract On America. Along with
    his cohorts in the Senate.

    Thus, when Atta and al Shehhi lied when questioned about their student status on their reentries in January 2001, and when Hanjour failed to show up for the school for which he was issued a visa in December 2000,
    a student tracking system was far from available to immigration inspectors or agents."

    The Buck Stops Here. Sign on the desk of Harry Truman.
    The Buck Stops Somewhere Else. Sign on the desk of GWB.

    Republicans always look for scapegoats to assign the blame.
    Never looking at themselves. But everybody knows who was really
    at fault.

    A deeper dive was uncovered on these sickos, after the horror that
    was
    9/11. It was realized who they were and where they came from.

    Yes, after the fact.

    Yes due to the question. How could something like this of happened?

    Controlled demolitions. And one plane shot down over a field in
    Pennsylvania by military aircraft.

    In pursuit of those questions many were able to learn the who, what and why.

    The Rev. Louis Farrakhan told us the truth.
    But nobody wanted to listen.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, January 02, 2023 00:59:00
    On 01-01-23 10:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslims <=-

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent? Or is that just another of your assumptions.

    Ya know, when you add in that sarcasm at the end and then I come back
    with a valid reason(s) It's as equivalent as a cream pie pie - right to the face.
    In a word "Passports"

    From the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states
    "Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the classified details, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner, in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    That answers the question. Thanks. I had not heard that before.
    One problem is that passports were not realized to be doctored until
    after the fact, not upon attempted entry.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 02, 2023 01:03:02
    On 01-01-23 23:46, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Muslims <=-

    A propaganda piece is not evidence of anything. There were no
    surviving passports of any of the terrorists who slammed planes
    into skyscrapers, as everybody on board was incinerated. Paper
    burns, same as people.

    Base on the preceding post by Gregory you were making an assumption which proves not to be true. He quoted a source which says that two passports
    did survive.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, January 02, 2023 18:29:39
    On 01 Jan 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states
    "Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the class details, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudule manner, in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    This is clearly propaganda, as there were no surviving passports.
    All 19 of the terrorists (and their possessions) were incinerated
    when the planes crashed into tall buildings (or into a field in Pennsylvania).
    But it is not propaganda if the information is from a official source.
    ie: The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks.
    by the way and to that end, I am glad that you are not on this team.

    The Rev. Louis Farrakhan told us
    You never mind what the Rev. Louis Farrakhan has said
    As very typically and all to often he is referred to as the controversial Nation of Islam leader, his speeches are often laced with bigoted invectives, including references to the devil as that Satanic Jew, and the unsubtle proclamation that the powerful Jews are my enemy.

    Why would you quote anything from a moron such as this, unless?....

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, January 04, 2023 01:39:06
    Hello Greg,

    https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states
    "Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al
    Suqami
    Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into the
    class
    details, we will just state that these were manipulated in a
    fraudule
    manner, in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    This is clearly propaganda, as there were no surviving passports.
    All 19 of the terrorists (and their possessions) were incinerated
    when the planes crashed into tall buildings (or into a field in
    Pennsylvania).

    But it is not propaganda if the information is from a official source.

    Please. Don't make me laugh. We all know Lee Harvey Oswald did not
    act alone. Even though the Warren Commission said so.

    ie: The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks.
    by the way and to that end, I am glad that you are not on this team.

    Just because information is from an official source does not mean it
    is credible, or has any factual basis. For example, Lee Harvey Oswald
    was never charged with having murdered JFK. Even though the Warren
    Commission concluded he acted alone, no evidence was ever noted in the investigation or in the report.

    Likewise, no such evidence of surviving passports existed in the source
    your cited. Nor could they exist. The terrorists boarded domestic
    flights, and did not even need passports. And any passports they did
    have would have been hidden or destroyed before they even boarded
    the planes.

    The only exception might be the one terrorist who chickened out who
    is spending the rest of his miserable life in a US prison.

    Fact is, we do not know much about what happened, or who took part.
    We can only speculate as to what might have happened.

    The planes that struck the WTC towers were not the jumbo size
    airliners that cross the ocean, but much smaller passenger jets.
    Even loaded with fuel, could a single aircraft really bring down
    a 110-story skyscraper? Or two of them making perfect strikes
    within minutes of each other? Along with a fortified military
    five-sided building being left partially destroyed?

    More likely the two WTC towers were brought down by controlled
    demolitions. The pentagon struck by a guided missile. And the plane
    that crashed in a field in Pennsylvania having been shot down by
    military aircraft.

    But nobody would believe our own government would do such a thing.

    Jim Garrison thought the CIA offed JFK. His theory was an agent
    popped out of a manhole and popped him off with a .45 pistol.

    Maybe he was right. If so, we will never know.
    All we can do is speculate.

    The Rev. Louis Farrakhan told us

    You never mind what the Rev. Louis Farrakhan has said

    He spoke to a packed house at the Cajun Dome in Lafayette, Louisiana.
    Some folks in the audience took his words as gospel truth.

    As very typically and all to often he is referred to as the controversial Nation of Islam leader, his speeches are often laced with bigoted invectives,
    including references to the devil as that Satanic Jew, and the unsubtle proclamation that the powerful Jews are my enemy.

    You do realize Jesus was a black man. Rev. Farrakhan said so himself.
    Even cited Bible chapter and verse to prove it. But that's another
    topic for another day.

    Why would you quote anything from a moron such as this, unless?....

    You really have to see him to believe it. Otherwise, you would think
    I am making it all up. But I promise you, nobody can make up the stuff
    he does.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    If it's not an iPhone, it's not an iPhone

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 04, 2023 01:39:53
    Hello Dale,

    it would of been better to scrutinize
    the validity of the documents that were used to provide entry to our
    country. It is beyond obvious that they were fraudulent.

    The claim that passports survived the giant flames of planes
    hitting skyscrapers is fraudulent.

    How do you know that they were fraudulent? Or is that just another
    of
    your assumptions.

    Ya know, when you add in that sarcasm at the end and then I come back
    with a valid reason(s) It's as equivalent as a cream pie pie - right
    to
    the face.
    In a word "Passports"

    From the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks
    https://tinyurl.com/yc2xbpdb

    snip-it from this document states "Two of the passports that have
    survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were
    clearly doctored.

    Since the passports did not survive, the claim itself is bogus.

    To avoid getting into the classified details,

    There are no classified details. Since all passports held by terrorists
    (and passengers) were incinerated in the fire, there were no surviving passports.

    we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent GD>manner,
    in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda"

    That is only a claim. Were any of those terrorists actually a part
    of al Qaeda? Just because Osama bin Laden claimed credit does not mean
    he or any of his people actually had any part of it. But it was so
    convenient to blame him, especially after he took credit.

    That answers the question. Thanks.

    What does it answer? Nobody has seen those "surviving passports" -
    namely because no such surviving passports exist.

    I had not heard that before.

    I have heard such nonsense claims before. That still does not make
    it true. So what of it?

    One problem is that passports were not realized to be doctored until
    after the fact, not upon attempted entry.

    But after those passports were discovered after being incinerated
    in giant fireballs on 9-11 they were realized to have been fraudulent.
    That certainly makes sense. Incinerated passports appear out of thin
    air by investigators going through all the rubble.

    I used to believe in Santa Claus. And also the Tooth Fairy.
    But things like incinerated passports appearing in one piece
    out of thin air are a bit of a stretch.

    At least Rev. Louis Farrakhan was honest, claiming that all the
    terrorists were alive and well in the Middle East.

    Passports burn.
    People also burn.
    Not to mention planes.
    As well as skyscrapers.

    Only small pieces of people were found after those planes
    smashed into skyscrapers and the pentagon. Paper documents
    and passports became part of the atmosphere.

    Just think of how much of that stuff was breathed in by
    those on the ground. No wonder firefighters had to find another
    line of work after that fateful day.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Our Nuts, Your Mouth

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 04, 2023 01:40:03
    Hello Dale,

    A propaganda piece is not evidence of anything. There were no
    surviving passports of any of the terrorists who slammed planes
    into skyscrapers, as everybody on board was incinerated. Paper
    burns, same as people.

    Base on the preceding post by Gregory you were making an assumption which proves not to be true. He quoted a source which says that two passports did survive.

    You did see those giant fireballs when those planes hit?

    NONE OF THE PASSPORTS SURVIVED BECAUSE THEY WERE INCINERATED.

    You might be able to argue that one passport survived, based on
    one of the four planes crashing into a field in Pennsylvania. But
    two is really a stretch, given that four pilots were needed - one
    for each target.

    Three of those four pilots got themselves incinerated, along with
    everything they had on their persons - including passports.

    The pilot who was on board the plane that crashed into a field
    in Pennsyvania might have had a passport - but nobody has claimed
    to have found it. Not that it matters.

    What Greg posted was a propaganda piece.
    Unsupported and unsubstantiated by any evidence.

    That is why no pictures of those surviving passports
    can ever be shown on television, online, in a court room,
    or anywhere else.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Big Or Small We Lay Them All

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