• Population Controllers

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Friday, January 13, 2023 03:05:35
    Foxnews reported that 210 Democrat house members voted against the Abortion Survivors Protection Act.

    "The act, which would require medical professionals to provide life-saving
    care for babies who survive attempted abortion procedures and defines the infants as "legal person[s] for all purposes under the laws of the United States," passed the House of Representatives on Wednesday with a 220-210 vote."

    Those disgusting Democrats are in favor of infanticide; a woman's choice to direct hospital staff to commit homicide is different from a woman's choice to deliver a baby.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, January 13, 2023 14:42:00
    "The act, which would require medical professionals to provide life-saving care for babies who survive attempted abortion procedures and defines the infants as "legal person[s] for all purposes under the laws of the United States," passed the House of Representatives on Wednesday with a 220-210
    ote.

    I wonder what the quality of life would be for such survivors? If we are talking late-term attempts, that is one thing. Some of those who might (temporarily) survive early-term attempts are going to be severely stunted
    in development, if they are equipped to survive long out of the womb at all.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Friday, January 13, 2023 23:56:08
    "The act, which would require medical professionals to provide life-savi care for babies who survive attempted abortion procedures and defines th infants as "legal person[s] for all purposes under the laws of the Unite States," passed the House of Representatives on Wednesday with a 220-210
    ote.

    I wonder what the quality of life would be for such survivors? If we are talking late-term attempts, that is one thing. Some of those who might (temporarily) survive early-term attempts are going to be severely
    stunted in development, if they are equipped to survive long out of the womb at all.

    That's a good point, and I don't think that scenario was ever considered, but nobody is perfect, sometimes life is hard, sometimes even impossible, but babies don't need guys with calculators to decide for them whether or not life is worth a try.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, January 14, 2023 10:51:00
    I wonder what the quality of life would be for such survivors? If we
    re
    talking late-term attempts, that is one thing. Some of those who might (temporarily) survive early-term attempts are going to be severely stunted in development, if they are equipped to survive long out of the womb at all.

    That's a good point, and I don't think that scenario was ever considered, but nobody is perfect, sometimes life is hard, sometimes even impossible, but babies don't need guys with calculators to decide for them whether or not
    ife
    is worth a try.

    A doctor would have a better idea if the infant is going to spend the rest
    of its life as a vegetable, if it lives at all.

    I don't agree with late-term abortions so, in those cases, if the baby is
    born alive I believe they have a duty of care as it is a lot more likely
    that the baby is viable. If it is not viable, I am not sure I would
    understand spending the resources on keeping it alive a few minutes, or
    hours, longer knowing it is going to die and never leave the hospital. I know parents who have too-premie kids might want that, but that is because they wanted the kid.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:10:00
    I agree with you, but no one asks the question of the tremendous amount that lacks of any responsibility to use protection, so that female does not get pregnant in the first place.

    One arguement I do not see being made often, but that I think is
    important... the assumption is often that these women got "in trouble"
    because they were irresponsible. So, if they were irresponsible enough to
    get pregnant, should you be trusting them to take care of themselves, and
    baby, for the 9 months until it is born and can be adopted, especially if it
    is a baby they did not want?

    For me, that is an honest question. Several years back, I knew a couple
    who adopted a kid. Ironically, I also knew one of the birth parents. The birth parents met in therapy. Both had been (and probably still were)
    under treatment for mental health issues that involve the use of some
    serious prescrpition drugs. I don't know this for sure, but it is possible
    the mother was also taking some non-prescribed ones.

    At any rate, they got pregnant and she decided to keep it. I don't know
    when she decided she'd give it up for adoption, but it was adopted shortly after birth.

    The kid was fine as a youngster but, as an older teen, has started
    displaying several issues beyond those displayed by your average teenage daughter. I have not kept up lately, but my guess would be that she will
    also wind up on drugs and/or pregnant before she means to be.

    She, and any kids she has, are going to wind up being society's problem.
    Now, she was the result of a mother who wanted to have the kid but was not responsible. What about the mother's who don't want them?

    To me, it is not so much about the "mother's rights" as it is what kind of quality of life are many of these kids going to have?

    I find it ironic that we, as conservatives/Republicans, are so very much against abortion but also so very much against paying more taxes to go
    towards taking care of such people -- unwed mothers, unwanted kids, those
    same kids that grow up with problems.... We constantly complain about both.
    I was always taught that you "can't have things both ways," so we need to
    pick one or the other, and then let the other one go. We either decide to
    live with legal abortion, or we be prepared to shell out more money to take care of the consequences. Otherwise, we are in constant contradiction of ourselves.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 15, 2023 16:50:40
    I still say all life is precious and should be protected. This business
    of late term abortions should be considered criminal, no matter what. Don't want kids fine. Then there are alternatives and plenty of responsibilities of which should be thought of first.

    People need to think from the child's point of view: "I'm alive, I like being alive, I'm fighting for my life, and my opponents in this battle include
    mom, doctor, Democrats, and globalists."

    Governors who sign off on "let mom direct doctor to kill baby after birth" ought to try fighting for their own lives, with billionaires as their opponents, so that they can see how great that really is.

    Lastly, there is the case of the "man of conquest" who wants to splash
    his seed in as many women as he can find, I think we all know who these

    Those guys don't get criticized by the media/crats very much, because they are essential tools in the child tax credit and child support industries.

    We should remind women about the incentives of delivering the baby, like child support, tax credits, and increased EBT eligibility. And if all that ain't enough to convince them, then those programs ought to be repealed.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, January 15, 2023 17:05:18
    I find it ironic that we, as conservatives/Republicans, are so very much against abortion but also so very much against paying more taxes to go towards taking care of such people -- unwed mothers, unwanted kids, those same kids that grow up with problems.... We constantly complain about both. I was always taught that you "can't have things both ways," so we need to pick one or the other, and then let the other one go. We either decide to live with legal abortion, or we be prepared to shell out more money to take care of the consequences. Otherwise, we are in constant contradiction of ourselves.

    I've heard people complain about food stamps and/or subsidized housing
    (e.g. "why should we pay for that?") but after watching Democrats scamper off with trillions of dollars, my days of complaining about money being spent to feed and house actual Americans, are over.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, January 14, 2023 17:44:10
    I don't agree with late-term abortions so, in those cases, if the baby is born alive I believe they have a duty of care as it is a lot more likely that the baby is viable. If it is not viable, I am not sure I would understand spending the resources on keeping it alive a few minutes, or hours, longer knowing it is going to die and never leave the hospital.

    I feel like they (drs/politicians) have a duty to prolong life as long as they can in all cases. The babies are young Americans and they should have their constitutional rights protected the same way that doctors would honor
    Nancy Pelosi's rights if she had "weeks to live."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 14, 2023 20:57:03
    On 14 Jan 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    I don't agree with late-term abortions so, in those cases, if the bab born alive I believe they have a duty of care as it is a lot more lik that the baby is viable. If it is not viable, I am not sure I would understand spending the resources on keeping it alive a few minutes, hours, longer knowing it is going to die and never leave the hospital

    I feel like they (drs/politicians) have a duty to prolong life as long
    as they can in all cases. The babies are young Americans and they should have their constitutional rights protected the same way that doctors
    would honor Nancy Pelosi's rights if she had "weeks to live."

    I agree with you, but no one asks the question of the tremendous amount that lacks of any responsibility to use protection, so that female does not get pregnant in the first place.

    Then of course there are those people who want to stand up for the so called mother in my view this is a lefty argument, asking or suggesting?
    What if they were raped or were impregnated unwillingly?

    I still say all life is precious and should be protected. This business of
    late term abortions should be considered criminal, no matter what.
    Don't want kids fine. Then there are alternatives and plenty of responsibilities of which should be thought of first.

    Lastly, there is the case of the "man of conquest" who wants to splash his
    seed in as many women as he can find, I think we all know who these dicks belong too. Don't be a dick.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, January 16, 2023 18:55:00
    I find it ironic that we, as conservatives/Republicans, are so very much against abortion but also so very much against paying more taxes to go towards taking care of such people -- unwed mothers, unwanted kids,
    hose
    same kids that grow up with problems.... We constantly complain about both. I was always taught that you "can't have things both ways," so we need to pick one or the other, and then let the other one go. We either decide to live with legal abortion, or we be prepared to shell out more money to take care of the consequences. Otherwise, we are in constant contradiction of ourselves.

    I've heard people complain about food stamps and/or subsidized housing
    (e.g. "why should we pay for that?") but after watching Democrats scamper off with trillions of dollars, my days of complaining about money being spent to feed and house actual Americans, are over.

    That is sort of how I feel about it. While I don't really like the idea of taking care of dead-beats, that is better than the money being used to line
    the pockets of politicians and their elite friends.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 16, 2023 21:42:51
    On 15 Jan 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    We should remind women about the incentives of delivering the baby, like child support, tax credits, and increased EBT eligibility. And if all
    that ain't enough to convince them, then those programs ought to be repealed.
    Right, and the Democratic party does nothing to stop this either.
    I do not think it would be reach to suggest that they are equally guilty of murder. They are stuck on "it's a Woman's Body and it's her right to choose" but at the same time they cannot define What a women is? If that was not bad enough there are twisted individuals within our Government that currently believe a MAN can carry a child in the womb... Except they have no uterus to carry a child, but these facts are un-important ones.
    People such as these have no business in Government, but when you a freak-show like Rachel Leland Levine who is a trans-gender, and has been provided the title Assistant Secretary for Health it is understandable, why they operate like they do. Nothing to see here everything is normal, Not!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, January 17, 2023 14:52:30
    was not bad enough there are twisted individuals within our Government that currently believe a MAN can carry a child in the womb... Except
    they have no uterus to carry a child, but these facts are un-important ones. People such as these have no business in Government, but when you
    a freak-show like Rachel Leland Levine who is a trans-gender, and has
    been provided the title Assistant Secretary for Health it is understandable, why they operate like they do. Nothing to see here everything is normal, Not!

    The crats and the media are trying to make people think that being minority is a good thing, but in reality it's awful to be part of a minority group (e.g. being the wrong color in the wrong place at the wrong time.)

    But power-hungry Democrats don't see it that way. They think that they've convinced minorities that the key to living in peace is voting Democrat. Let's just hope that (for example) trans teachers with gigantic prosthetic breasts are smarter than they look.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Tuesday, January 17, 2023 17:22:00
    They are stuck on "it's a Woman's Body and it's her right to choose"
    but at the same time they cannot define What a women is?

    Good point!


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, January 17, 2023 17:25:00
    convinced minorities that the key to living in peace is voting Democrat. Let's
    just hope that (for example) trans teachers with gigantic prosthetic breasts are smarter than they look.

    Isn't he Canadian? I saw the photos and think he bears a strong
    resemblance to one of Joe's cabinet secretaries... the one that also likes dressing as a woman.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, January 18, 2023 00:18:07
    just hope that (for example) trans teachers with gigantic prosthetic bre are smarter than they look.

    Isn't he Canadian? I saw the photos and think he bears a strong resemblance to one of Joe's cabinet secretaries... the one that also
    likes dressing as a woman.

    Yea, that's the one. My point is just that I hope transgender people don't
    fall for Democrat gimmicks like many other minority groups seem to.

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