• Joe's Docs -- AKA the GOP revival attempt

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Friday, January 20, 2023 06:12:55
    Dale Shipp -> Mike Powell skrev 2023-01-16 23:57:
    That is true. None of us really know yet exactly how the classified documents were brought to Biden, nor why, and even whether or not Biden ever saw them. We need to wait for the special counsel to determine
    those things.

    You seem to be the only sane person remaining here (after Jeff and Rebecca left), so let me ask you the question that the rest of the world(?) is having:

    How in Heaven's Name can this compare to what Trump has done? Trump even, in his panic, has posted admissions that any prosecutor (not bought by the MAGA cult) can use as evidence against him!

    Jeezzz, is there no bottom to this guy's, and his sheepish follower's, stupidity over there?

    https://youtu.be/7UOJ_ZJi8uA


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Saturday, January 21, 2023 00:33:00
    On 01-20-23 06:12, Bjrn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Joe's Docs -- AKA the GOP <=-

    How in Heaven's Name can this compare to what Trump has
    done? Trump even, in his panic, has posted admissions that
    any prosecutor (not bought by the MAGA cult) can use as
    evidence against him!

    I have seen many pundits listing a comparison of the two cases. One distinction is that the Biden team is cooperationg with the Archives and
    DOJ, whereas Trump did not.

    Trump is known to have looked at the documents and then told authorities
    that he did not have any more classified documents -- until the FBI
    executed a warrant and found 100 classified documents. That is perhaps
    a basis for the charge of obstruction.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sunday, January 22, 2023 09:29:34
    NO, OF COURSE THE POTUS HAS NO SUCH AUTHORITY! Not even Hitler or

    I see our local swedish meatball here is showing his extreme ignorance for
    U.S. laws.

    But facts are something that that the Ignorant Elitists were never really interested in.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, January 22, 2023 09:26:00
    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other document hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance? And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    Biden didn't lead authorities. Biden's lawyers apparently came across the original stash at the think tank. Not 100% sure who then came across the
    stash at the house but it was not the authorities.

    Initially, "the authorities" decided to stay out of it and trust that Biden's lawyers will find and turn them all over. Now apparently Biden's team has request that the authorities come in and search. That is smart on their
    part, especially since Joe acting like there were no more could have lead
    to a lot of trouble.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sunday, January 22, 2023 09:47:00
    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other
    document hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance? And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    There is nothing similar between what Donald Trump has done and what Joe
    iden
    as done.

    They actually are similar. Both mishandled documents. Both had documents stored in their home where the should not have been stored, and that were not safe from persons who do not have the clearance to look at them.

    Donald Trump is a criminal. Joe Biden is a president.

    Biden was NOT President when the documents were taken to the think tank or
    his home. That is one thing that is not similar.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Sunday, January 22, 2023 14:27:33
    On 22 Jan 2023, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    So that's the reason? You actually believe that lie, without even trying to look up the fact?

    NO, OF COURSE THE POTUS HAS NO SUCH AUTHORITY! Not even Hitler or Stalin or any other megalomaniacs in the world did. Jeezzz, man, what crazy MAGA fascist world are you living in?

    USA is not Germany or Russia
    So the Next time you wish to meddle in American affairs..
    I urge you to do your due diligence and research.
    All which you have offered is really nothing more then a familiar arrogance
    and ignorance from a liberal cast or mindset, that has a long time fascination and a ever growing and unhealthy seething hatred for Former President Trump.

    Under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 of the Constitution, Congress is given the power To make all Laws, which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution both Congress's own enumerated authorities but also all other Powers vested in the government. Although Congress cannot pass a measure that would undermine the president's core authority to classify and declassify, from the first Congress on, the legislative branch has exercised its power to give form and regularity to the president's specific authorities.

    The president's classification and declassification powers are broad Experts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties which is usually how it's done its because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

    "The President, after all, is the Commander in Chief" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court's majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

    Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project
    on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

    In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president's authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

    The official documents governing classification and declassification stem
    from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren't necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 22, 2023 21:56:13
    Hello Dale,

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    He had the authority, but he did not do it. If he had done so, then
    they would have been marked as declassified and the original classification crossed out. Even so, he still did not have authority to keep them -- they belonged to the US Government.

    No one has been charged with a crime. The matter has never even
    been tried in court. So who is to say what authority a POTUS has,
    or does not have?

    Many presidents have written memoirs, and have taken documents to
    their homes to do so. What crime(s) have any of them committed? None
    that I know of.

    And yet, it was so much fun for those who dislike Trump to find news
    reports of a search warrant being issued for his home in Mar-a-Lago.
    And then even more fun for those who dislike Biden to find news ...

    Worse yet, additional documents were found after the first ones were
    discovered.
    Then Biden comes out and says he has "no regrets" about the matter.
    Joe Biden is a certifiable imbecile...

    Biden asked DOJ to come to his house and search. I would say that classifies as cooperating.

    As the fact became known, the sitting POTUS did not have much choice.

    Compare that to Trump's actions where he certified that no classified documents still existed in his possession.

    Trump's claim is credible, as the matter has never been challenged
    in court. Who is to say what authority a POTUS has or does not have
    when it comes to what documents can/cannot be declassified?

    He knew that was a lie, and it took a warrant for the FBI to come and find them.

    What lie? Trump made a claim. The matter has never been challenged
    in court. How does a claim equate to being a lie?

    https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, January 22, 2023 21:56:22
    Hello Alan,

    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or
    refuse to answer questions?

    Trump was asked to return many of those documents but he never did. Instead
    he had his layer sign a declaration that all these documents had been returned when in fact they had not.

    Missing documents can be hard to find. Especially when thought to be
    at an estate as large as Mar-a-Lago.

    Donald Trump is a liar, has always been a liar, and will always be a liar.

    More like a teller of tall tales.

    I think the DOJ/FBI are still looking for missing documents.

    Maybe the alligators ate them. Which proves Donald Trump lied to us
    by promising to drain the swamp. But hey. He's a politician. So really
    our own fault for believing him.

    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other
    document hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance?
    And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the
    documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    There is nothing similar between what Donald Trump has done and what Joe Biden has done.

    Donald Trump is a criminal. Joe Biden is a president.

    Nobody has been charged with a crime. Neither the president, nor
    the former president. They need the documents to write their memoirs,
    which they plan to sell to the public at some future date ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 22, 2023 21:56:29
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    How in Heaven's Name can this compare to what Trump has done? Trump
    even, in

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    Just because the matter has never been challenged in court does not
    mean the POTUS has absolute authority to declassify documents at will.

    Biden as VP did not have any such authority, nor could he of obtained any such permissions as VP to declassify documents.

    Obama put them in Biden's garage for safekeeping.

    Worse yet, additional documents were found after the first ones were discovered.

    So what?

    There is a difference between what Trump did and what Biden did.
    A big difference. An editorial cartoon showed it much more clearly -

    Trump:

    "I don't have them. They all belong to me.
    I declassified them in my mind."

    Biden:

    "Turn them over, man."

    Then Biden comes out and says he has "no regrets" about the matter.
    Joe Biden is a certifiable imbecile...

    "There is no there there." ~President Joe Biden

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sunday, January 22, 2023 21:56:37
    Hello Bjrn,

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President GD>at will.

    So that's the reason?

    He does not need a reason.

    You actually believe that lie, without even trying to look up the fact?

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
    ~ US Senator & diplomat Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    Just because you do not like what Donald Trump said means he lied.

    NO, OF COURSE THE POTUS HAS NO SUCH AUTHORITY!

    Who says? The matter has never been challenged in court, so what
    makes you the authority?

    Not even Hitler or Stalin or any other megalomaniacs in the world did.

    Who was Hitler answerable to? Who was Stalin answerable to?
    The German people loved their leader, looked at him as their
    lord and savior. The peoples of the USSR also loved their
    leader, showing him all the love and affection he deserved.

    Jeezzz, man, what crazy MAGA fascist world are you living in?

    Look at the facts, man. Italian partisans put an end to Il Duce's
    reign at the end of WWII. And then both Germany and Italy surrendered.
    Along with Japan.

    What happened next is what everybody keeps burying under the rug -

    A new Il Duce was born in 1946 - in the USA.
    A Once and Future King, known as Donald J. Trump.

    https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html


    Greg's statement is spot on. The matter has never been challenged
    in a court of law, much less decided. So who is to say what authority
    a president has, or does not have?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 22, 2023 17:53:21
    On 22 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Biden asked DOJ to come to his house and search. I would say that classifies as cooperating.

    Oh stop it, Biden did no such thing.
    1. I doubt very highly Biden even remembers where he used to live.
    2. Why would he call about documents that he didn't know were missing.
    3. Why are we hearing about Biden's classified documents, allegedly first discovered days before the midterm election, only NOW? When you put the entire story up on a timeline, it reveals something deeper, bigger, and more nefarious. It tells you a story the mainstream media and the White House DON'T want you to know and opens up new questions of corruption, cover-up, and potential election interference.

    Obama also took 30 Million documents back to Chicago too, it just seems there is a political double-standard when it comes to Donald Trump because peoples feelings have been hurt or shocked with the blunt manner how Trump has talked.

    Compared to Biden who has put in his mouth many times and has produced more Presidential gaffes then all of the previous Presidents combined.
    To spite this geriatric fool, I ask you what has Biden accomplished?

    There was no need for the raid at Mar a lago, when Donald Trump was working with the office for document retrieval.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, January 22, 2023 18:07:00
    3. Why are we hearing about Biden's classified documents, allegedly first discovered days before the midterm election, only NOW? When you put the
    ntire

    Because they were too busy telling us about Trump's classified documents.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, January 22, 2023 16:59:31
    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or refuse to answer questions?

    There was no arrest. Trump claimed that he had no classified documents even though he knew that he did. That is not cooperating.

    If there was no arrest, then how do we know that he did anything wrong?

    And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    More like, "now that my people found the documents, I'm going to
    cooperate with you".

    Hmm, but the FBI (according to Fox News) found more documents at Biden's home yesterday. The other problem with this "Biden cooperates" statement is that Biden is the only person in that household who ever had access to classified documents from the National Archives, and he's playing dumb about it all. By moving national secrets from a National Arhcives facility to his beach house, that's not how cooperation with the American people works.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, January 23, 2023 00:48:00
    On 01-22-23 17:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA th <=-

    Your response is so full of mis-information, slander and conspiracy speculations that it is not worth any comment.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



    On 22 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Biden asked DOJ to come to his house and search. I would say that classifies as cooperating.

    Oh stop it, Biden did no such thing.
    1. I doubt very highly Biden even remembers where he used to live.
    2. Why would he call about documents that he didn't know were missing.
    3. Why are we hearing about Biden's classified documents, allegedly
    first discovered days before the midterm election, only NOW? When you
    put the entire story up on a timeline, it reveals something deeper, bigger, and more nefarious. It tells you a story the mainstream media
    and the White House DON'T want you to know and opens up new questions
    of corruption, cover-up, and potential election interference.

    Obama also took 30 Million documents back to Chicago too, it just
    seems there is a political double-standard when it comes to Donald
    Trump because peoples feelings have been hurt or shocked with the blunt manner how Trump has talked.
    Compared to Biden who has put in his mouth many times and has produced more Presidential gaffes then all of the previous Presidents combined.
    To spite this geriatric fool, I ask you what has Biden accomplished?

    There was no need for the raid at Mar a lago, when Donald Trump was working with the office for document retrieval.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:124/5014 to Dale Shipp on Monday, January 23, 2023 06:43:19
    On 23 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Your response is so full of mis-information, slander and conspiracy speculations that it is not worth any comment.

    The fact that STILL more documents were found yesterday..
    Is that worthy of commenting on?

    Oh when someone on the right speaks of things that the left has no answers,
    you hide under your under your bed and lock the door.
    Seems pretty obvious to me.
    Where is Jeff? when you really need him.
    Still WE want to know.

    Why would he call about documents that he didn't know were missing
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:267/150 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, January 23, 2023 07:32:11
    3. Why are we hearing about Biden's classified documents, allegedly first discovered days before the midterm election, only NOW? When you put the

    Did you notice that the Biden Document Mishandling came out shortly after
    the Twitter Document drops finished?

    Nothing like a scandal to distract away from a major illegal action by the Democrats.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Monday, January 23, 2023 07:54:14
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    Biden didn't lead authorities. Biden's lawyers apparently came across
    the original stash at the think tank. Not 100% sure who then came
    across the stash at the house but it was not the authorities.

    Ya, it seemed to me that Trump was working with all the right people to get things cleared up.

    While Biden's basically adopted a "I'll only admit to what they find."


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Monday, January 23, 2023 05:23:29
    Initially, "the authorities" decided to stay out of it and trust that Biden's lawyers will find and turn them all over. Now apparently
    Biden's team has request that the authorities come in and search. That
    is smart on their part, especially since Joe acting like there were no more could have lead to a lot of trouble.

    It's smart on the part of the lawyers, but it's not smart on the part of the the authorities to "trust lawyers" to search for documents that they
    (lawyers) have no authority to view.

    That's another reason why I wonder "Why do these guys keep referring to that
    as cooperation?" (Note to self: The reason is because they're parroting what they heard on TV!)

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Saturday, January 21, 2023 12:29:57
    On 20 Jan 2023, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    Dale Shipp -> Mike Powell skrev 2023-01-16 23:57:
    That is true. None of us really know yet exactly how the classified documents were brought to Biden, nor why, and even whether or not Bid ever saw them. We need to wait for the special counsel to determine those things.

    You seem to be the only sane person remaining here (after Jeff and
    Rebecca left), so let me ask you the question that the rest of the world(?) is having:

    How in Heaven's Name can this compare to what Trump has done? Trump
    even, in

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.
    Biden as VP did not have any such authority, nor could he of obtained any such permissions as VP to declassify documents.
    Worse yet, additional documents were found after the first ones were discovered.
    Then Biden comes out and says he has "no regrets" about the matter.
    Joe Biden is a certifiable imbecile...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 22, 2023 02:14:00
    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    So that's the reason? You actually believe that lie, without even trying to look up the fact?

    NO, OF COURSE THE POTUS HAS NO SUCH AUTHORITY! Not even Hitler or Stalin or any other megalomaniacs in the world did. Jeezzz, man, what crazy MAGA fascist world are you living in?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, January 21, 2023 16:22:43
    any prosecutor (not bought by the MAGA cult) can use as
    evidence against him!

    I have seen many pundits listing a comparison of the two cases. One distinction is that the Biden team is cooperationg with the Archives and DOJ, whereas Trump did not.

    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or refuse to answer questions?

    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other document
    hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance? And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 21, 2023 19:13:48
    Hello Aaron,

    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or refuse to answer questions?

    Trump was asked to return many of those documents but he never did. Instead he had his layer sign a declaration that all these documents had been returned when in fact they had not.

    Donald Trump is a liar, has always been a liar, and will always be a liar.

    I think the DOJ/FBI are still looking for missing documents.

    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other
    document hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance?
    And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    There is nothing similar between what Donald Trump has done and what Joe Biden has done.

    Donald Trump is a criminal. Joe Biden is a president.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, January 22, 2023 00:10:00
    On 01-21-23 12:29, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Bjrn Felten about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA the <=-

    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    He had the authority, but he did not do it. If he had done so, then
    they would have been marked as declassified and the original
    classification crossed out. Even so, he still did not have authority to
    keep them -- they belonged to the US Government.

    Worse yet, additional documents were found after the first ones were discovered.
    Then Biden comes out and says he has "no regrets" about the matter.
    Joe Biden is a certifiable imbecile...

    Biden asked DOJ to come to his house and search. I would say that
    classifies as cooperating.

    Compare that to Trump's actions where he certified that no classified
    documents still existed in his possession. He knew that was a lie, and
    it took a warrant for the FBI to come and find them.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, January 22, 2023 00:16:02
    On 01-21-23 16:22, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA th <=-


    I have seen many pundits listing a comparison of the two cases. One distinction is that the Biden team is cooperationg with the Archives and DOJ, whereas Trump did not.

    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or refuse to answer questions?

    There was no arrest. Trump claimed that he had no classified documents
    even though he knew that he did. That is not cooperating.

    Did Biden willingly lead authorities to the sites of his other
    document hordes, or did they have to find them without his assistance?

    The Authorities did not find the initial set of documents. Biden's
    personal lawyers did -- and immediately notified the authorities and
    turned the documents over. Biden asked the DOJ to perform a search of
    his home for additional such documents.

    And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found the documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    More like, "now that my people found the documents, I'm going to
    cooperate with you".

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Sunday, January 22, 2023 00:21:04
    On 01-22-23 02:14, Bjrn Felten <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Joe's Docs -- AKA the GOP <=-


    Trump had the authority to declassify documents as President at will.

    So that's the reason? You actually believe that lie,
    without even trying to look up the fact?

    NO, OF COURSE THE POTUS HAS NO SUCH AUTHORITY! Not even
    Hitler or Stalin or any other megalomaniacs in the world
    did. Jeezzz, man, what crazy MAGA fascist world are you
    living in?

    POTUS is the ultimate classification authority. There is an elaborate procedure that must be followed in order to declassify a document. The originator of the document needs to be involved. All copies of the
    document need to have the original classification struck out and then
    marked as unclassified. Trump did none of those things.

    One past example was during the Cuban Missile crisis, JFK had
    photographic documents declassified which showed the construction of
    missile sites in Cuba. The declassified documents were then presented
    in arguments at the UN.

    Such things take a lot of coordination and consideration, none of which
    were done by Trump.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, January 23, 2023 16:26:00
    Hmm, but the FBI (according to Fox News) found more documents at Biden's home yesterday. The other problem with this "Biden cooperates" statement is that Biden is the only person in that household who ever had access to classified documents from the National Archives, and he's playing dumb about it all. By moving national secrets from a National Arhcives facility to his beach house, that's not how cooperation with the American people works.

    MSNBC (???!!!) had some fun with one of Biden's spokespersons recently. Apparently the spokesperson said they were cooperating with the DOJ to determine how the documents came to be in the Biden house. The interviewer pointed out that Biden himself would have been the only one that might have
    had clearance, so shouldn't the DOJ be asking Joe instead of Joe's team
    waiting for the DOJ to determine how they got there?

    Comical.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, January 23, 2023 16:30:00
    It's smart on the part of the lawyers, but it's not smart on the part of the the authorities to "trust lawyers" to search for documents that they (lawyers) have no authority to view.

    Agreed. I am glad, for that reason alone, that the DOJ is now apparently involved.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, January 23, 2023 16:04:26
    Hello Ron!

    23 Jan 23 07:32, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    3. Why are we hearing about Biden's classified documents,
    allegedly first discovered days before the midterm election, only
    NOW? When you put the

    Did you notice that the Biden Document Mishandling came out shortly
    after the Twitter Document drops finished?

    Nothing like a scandal to distract away from a major illegal action by
    the Democrats.


    Hey, yeah, of course because the best thing to do, when you're in the ball kicking machine, is to ask the person at the controls to turn it up so you get kicked in the balls harder.

    I could think of a hundred other things that would pull attention away from the "twitter documents" that didn't politically damage Biden. the DNC is stupid, but it's not that stupid.




    Mike


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron L. on Monday, January 23, 2023 18:06:47
    On 23 Jan 2023, Ron L. said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Your response is so full of mis-information, slander and conspiracy speculations that it is not worth any comment.

    The fact that STILL more documents were found yesterday..
    Is that worthy of commenting on?

    Remember that to people like Dale, right = left, good = evil, etc.

    So "mis-information" = "truth".

    I think he could of been more annoyed when I provided the response to his comment to where Biden allegedly telling the search team w/ where to look within his home. Than I came back with "Biden does not remember where home is." or it could've of been my comment that Obama took 30+ million documents back to Chicago.

    In either case:
    Joe's Memory has been an issue from the very start.
    Something similar happened on the campaign trail, where he got all mixed up with what state he was in. Here he was going on and on about State of Vermont when he was in actually in the State of New Hampshire, this happened on 08/24/19 when he said "I love this place. Look, what's not to like about Vermont in terms of the beauty of it? And what a neat town. This is like a scenic, beautiful town. The mayor's been a good guy. Everybody has been
    really friendly. I like Keene a lot."

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 00:21:00
    On 01-22-23 16:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA th <=-


    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist arrest or refuse to answer questions?

    There was no arrest. Trump claimed that he had no classified documents even though he knew that he did. That is not cooperating.

    If there was no arrest, then how do we know that he did anything
    wrong?

    There was no arrest -- Yet. What he did wrong was to claim that there
    were no classified documents there when he knew that there were
    classified documents there.

    Hmm, but the FBI (according to Fox News) found more documents at
    Biden's home yesterday. The other problem with this "Biden cooperates"

    The found them after Biden asked the FBI to do a complete search. He
    was not trying to hide, he was cooperating.

    statement is that Biden is the only person in that household who ever
    had access to classified documents from the National Archives, and he's playing dumb about it all. By moving national secrets from a National Arhcives facility to his beach house, that's not how cooperation with
    the American people works.

    You are confused. No one moved documents from a National Archives
    facility. The documents that were discovered had been moved from
    various offices previously occupied by Biden. It has not been said who actually moved them.

    Why not wait until the SC does his investigation and announces his
    findings, rather than casting stones when you don't know the facts.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, January 23, 2023 23:55:02
    On 01-23-23 06:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA th <=-


    On 23 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Your response is so full of mis-information, slander and conspiracy speculations that it is not worth any comment.

    The fact that STILL more documents were found yesterday..
    Is that worthy of commenting on?

    Yes, it is. The comment is that it is evidence that Biden is fully
    cooperating with the investigation and is not trying to hide anything.

    Why would he call about documents that he didn't know were missing

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, January 23, 2023 23:58:04
    On 01-23-23 18:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Ron L. about Re: Joe's Docs -- AKA th <=-

    I think he could of been more annoyed when I provided the response to
    his comment to where Biden allegedly telling the search team w/ where
    to look within his home. Than I came back with "Biden does not
    remember where home is."

    False and Slander.

    or it could've of been my comment that Obama took 30+
    million documents back to
    Chicago.

    What sort of documents? If you are claiming that they were classified,
    then you are scooping all of the media -- except that would be
    alternative facts.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 07:41:17
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Joe's Memory has been an issue from the very start.

    Joe's **competence** has been an issue from the very start.

    His mental illness was well known for a long time before he was even
    Obama's VP.

    And that's not counting his habitual lying.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 07:41:17
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    It's smart on the part of the lawyers, but it's not smart on the part
    of the the authorities to "trust lawyers" to search for documents that they (lawyers) have no authority to view.

    Wait a sec... Do these lawyers have Classified clearance? If they are purposely looking for classified documents, they might be committing crime.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 07:41:17
    Mike Miller wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I could think of a hundred other things that would pull attention away from the "twitter documents" that didn't politically damage Biden. the DNC is stupid, but it's not that stupid.

    Biden's an albatross around the DNC neck. They know it's time to sink the Biden boat before Biden sinks the DNC boat. Personally, I think it's already too late for that - the DNC is done.

    And Yes. The DNC is that stupid.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 03:47:56
    MSNBC (???!!!) had some fun with one of Biden's spokespersons recently. Apparently the spokesperson said they were cooperating with the DOJ to determine how the documents came to be in the Biden house. The interviewer pointed out that Biden himself would have been the only one that might have had clearance, so shouldn't the DOJ be asking Joe
    instead of Joe's team waiting for the DOJ to determine how they got
    there?

    The DOJ should cut through all the BS & just ask Joe who he was planning to sell the information to. But straight-forwardedness is too much to expect.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 12:35:50
    You are confused. No one moved documents from a National Archives facility. The documents that were discovered had been moved from
    various offices previously occupied by Biden. It has not been said who actually moved them.

    When cops find drugs at a drug dealer's house, they don't do an investigation into who brought the drugs to the house; they just blame and arrest whoever's home at the time of the raid.

    There shouldn't be a double standard for segregationists.

    Why not wait until the SC does his investigation and announces his findings, rather than casting stones when you don't know the facts.

    Yes, you're right. Let's see what happens.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 06:16:57
    Hello Aaron,

    When cops find drugs at a drug dealer's house, they don't do an investigation into who brought the drugs to the house; they just blame
    and arrest whoever's home at the time of the raid.

    You might get arrested if your in a drug house when it raided.

    It is those who commit crimes that are ultimately charged and brought before the courts. Whether they are convicted depends on whether the prosecution can build a case against those criminals that will stand up in court.

    There shouldn't be a double standard for segregationists.

    Who are these segregationists you speak of?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 13:52:02
    It's smart on the part of the lawyers, but it's not smart on the part of the the authorities to "trust lawyers" to search for documents tha they (lawyers) have no authority to view.

    Wait a sec... Do these lawyers have Classified clearance? If they are purposely looking for classified documents, they might be committing crime.

    The information contained in Biden's documents was stolen from the American people once already, but 2 times is a charm.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 16:27:00
    When cops find drugs at a drug dealer's house, they don't do an investigation into who brought the drugs to the house; they just blame and arrest whoever's home at the time of the raid.

    They are probably playing "we don't know how they got there" so they can,
    in turn, eventually blame "the Russians" for planting the documents in
    Biden's garage.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 19:28:28
    On 23 Jan 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...


    Why would he call about documents that he didn't know were missing

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Your words

    Biden asked DOJ to come to his house and search. I would say that
    classifies as cooperating.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 20:11:47
    There shouldn't be a double standard for segregationists.

    Who are these segregationists you speak of?

    Joe Biden, the guy who's on video saying "I don't want my kids going to school in a racial jungle."

    He was trying to segregate whites from coloreds back then. More recently,
    he said that if they don't vote for him, then they ain't even black. Up until 1869, members of Joe's party used black people for forced labor, so I
    suppose Joe should be somewhat satisfied..

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 00:23:54
    When cops find drugs at a drug dealer's house, they don't do an investig into who brought the drugs to the house; they just blame and arrest whoe home at the time of the raid.

    They are probably playing "we don't know how they got there" so they can, in turn, eventually blame "the Russians" for planting the documents in Biden's garage.

    Earlier today Dan Bongino said something along the lines of "while investigators were searching for clues in the Trump-Russia probe, they inadvertantly discovered information tying Joe and Hunter to an influence peddling scheme, and that this may have something to do with the document shenanigans.

    I hope I understood that correctly, but I might not have. (It was AM radio.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 07:20:56
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    The DOJ should cut through all the BS & just ask Joe who he was
    planning to sell the information to. But straight-forwardedness is too much to expect.

    But asking Joe anything, and expecting an honest and coherent answer, it simply not possible.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 07:42:41
    Hello Dale!

    23 Jan 23 23:58, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    or it could've of been my comment that Obama took 30+
    million documents back to
    Chicago.

    What sort of documents? If you are claiming that they were
    classified, then you are scooping all of the media -- except that
    would be alternative facts.

    I'm pretty sure he's referring to the documents released by the national archives for Obama's presidential library. You know, like what every president has had since Hoover. (and are actually run by the National Archives Foundation)



    Mike


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 22:38:09
    Hello Aaron,

    What do you mean by "cooperating" though? Did Trump resist
    arrest or
    refuse to answer questions?

    There was no arrest. Trump claimed that he had no classified
    documents
    even though he knew that he did. That is not cooperating.

    If there was no arrest, then how do we know that he did anything wrong?

    The issue has never been challenged.
    Nobody has been charged with a crime.
    Not Trump, Biden, or Pence.
    All of whom got caught with their pants down.
    I am sure other politicians are just as guilty.
    But of what crime would they be guilty of?

    What permission does a president need to have? The same can be said
    about a vice president. Or a member of Congress.

    There simply are no rules in place.

    If a president give you a file and tells you to take it home to read
    and study, you do your job as the president directs you to do.

    There could be classified files in the homes of Trump's adult children.
    Who would know if no search has been conducted in those places?

    Yes, there should be a witch hunt. Every home those classified files
    might be found must be searched. Our own safety and security depends
    on it ...

    And then Biden comes out of a closet to say "Now that you found
    the
    documents I mishandled, I'm gonna cooperate with ya?"

    More like, "now that my people found the documents, I'm going to
    cooperate with you".

    Hmm, but the FBI (according to Fox News) found more documents at Biden's home yesterday.

    Why the fixation on Biden, who has fully cooperated and continues
    to do so? Pence was also caught, his lawyer turning over classified
    files to the FBI. Trump is the guy who has never fully cooperated -
    with anybody - and refuses to tell the truth.


    The other problem with this "Biden cooperates" statement is that
    Biden is the only person in that household who ever had access to classified
    documents from the National Archives, and he's playing dumb about it all.

    The POTUS has access to classified documents from everywhere, not
    just the National Archives. That makes Trump just as guilty as Biden,
    by your own book.

    By moving national secrets from a National Arhcives facility to his beach house, that's not how cooperation with the American people works.

    You are saying Trump did no wrong by taking classified documents to
    his estate in Mar-a-Lago, etc. While he was not charged with a crime,
    there is no question there was plenty wrong with what he did.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 17:04:00
    Earlier today Dan Bongino said something along the lines of "while investigators were searching for clues in the Trump-Russia probe, they inadvertantly discovered information tying Joe and Hunter to an influence peddling scheme, and that this may have something to do with the document shenanigans.

    I hope I understood that correctly, but I might not have. (It was AM radio.)

    If this is true, I wonder what they will inadvertantly plan to do with this discovery.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, January 25, 2023 18:28:49
    The DOJ should cut through all the BS & just ask Joe who he was planning to sell the information to. But straight-forwardedness is to much to expect.

    But asking Joe anything, and expecting an honest and coherent answer, it simply not possible.

    I was definitely wrong to say "Ask Joe," and in reality, the DOJ already knows about Joe's influence peddling. Only congress can help us now, but I just hope they hurry up. The house can flip again next year, and time is ticking.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 26, 2023 07:30:25
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I was definitely wrong to say "Ask Joe," and in reality, the DOJ
    already knows about Joe's influence peddling.

    Oh, ya. It's becoming appearant that Joe's been doing this for decades.

    Only congress can help us
    now, but I just hope they hurry up. The house can flip again next year, and time is ticking.

    I'm not holding my breath. The two tiered system of justice we have won't allow the Elitists to be punished for their crimes.


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