• Re: Vaccine

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, February 19, 2023 00:51:00
    On 02-18-23 12:18, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-


    There's a lack of coverage about the covid "vaccine" not being a
    vaccine.

    That is because it is a vaccine, despite what the anti-vaccers say.

    The truth will prevail. It is not despite to state the undeniable
    truth. I am living proof I had COVID-19 and I recovered fully without
    any so-called covid-19 vaccine, many people have. Yes many people have succumbed to this horrible effects of Covid-19

    You were one of the lucky ones -- presuming that you do not end up
    suffering any after effects of your infection. Also presuming that you
    did not infect someone else who had a worse case of the disease.

    Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.ht
    ml

    I was not able to get that URL to work, but could get to the 2019-ncov
    page. I'm not sure what your URL was supposed to say.

    Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic almost three years ago,
    we have known that some people who are immunocompromised (have a
    weakened immune system) are more likely to get sick with COVID-19 or be sick for a longer period.

    Very true.

    The left's attempt to make the covid-19 vaccine into something that it
    has never been will prove to be a dismal failure.

    The Covid-19 vaccine is not perfect, but it has saved millions of lives.
    It is not a failure.

    First, lets take a look and define once and for all, what
    exactly a vaccine is.
    What is a Vaccine?
    A substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious
    disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.

    I believe that the Covid vaccine was a new type of development. It is
    not the only vaccine that does not provide 100% immunity. The annual
    flu shot comes to mind. The scientists are now saying that Covid might
    also require annual shots/boosters.

    Majority of us, born on or after 1971 has received the MMR (Measles,
    Mumps and Rubella) vaccine as children. It was 1971, whereas a combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine was licensed for use in the United States. In 2005, a combination measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella (MMRV) vaccine was licensed. Which is why today we as a
    Nation are not suffering or plagued with horrible effects that includes massive death.

    Also true.

    The covid-19 vaccine by definition does not create any such immunity,
    if it did it there would be no need for multiple shots + numerous boosters.

    The vaccine is not perfect. I would be the first to say that it is not.
    But if we waited for something perfect, then more people would have
    gotten seriously sick and/or died. Perfect is the enemy of good.

    The published data for the vaccines did not claim 100% efficacy, but
    something in the nineties.

    Masks do NOTHING, it is absolutely moronic to see people
    STILL wearing masks when they are driving.

    Masks are one step in helping to prevent the spread of disease. I
    sometimes wear a mask when driving simply because I know that I would
    put it back on in a few minutes, or because I forgot to take it off
    before I started driving.

    We are learning more about Myocarditis and pericarditis
    Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.h tml

    Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported. When reported,
    the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males
    within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

    True, and that side effect occurs a lot less than not having the covid
    shots and getting covid.

    The origin country of Covid-19 is China, this is not in question.

    True.

    When is China going to held accountable for unleashing covid-19 upon
    the world? Do you believe that it will be a Democrat that will make
    this happen?

    You seem to be assuming that China unleashed covid on purpose and needs
    to be punished for that. There is no proof of that. It is quite
    plausible that it was accidental, and a species hop from wild animals
    (bats?) to humans. If true, it would not be the first time that
    happened.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, February 19, 2023 09:38:17
    On 19 Feb 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

    The truth will prevail. It is not despite to state the undeniable truth. I am living proof I had COVID-19 and I recovered fully without any so-called covid-19 vaccine, many people have. Yes many people hav succumbed to this horrible effects of Covid-19

    You were one of the lucky ones -- presuming that you do not end up suffering any after effects of your infection. Also presuming that you did not infect someone else who had a worse case of the disease.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to divide the country.

    Masks are one step in helping to prevent the spread of disease. I sometimes wear a mask when driving simply because I know that I would
    put it back on in a few minutes, or because I forgot to take it off
    before I started driving.
    Wait a minute. How are they working?
    Since your a mask wearier as I was for a short time.
    Have you noticed after wearing a mask for 6 to 8 hours, did you notice those tiny "fiberglass like" fibers, that would seem to be counter-intuitive for the reasons provided why you would were a mask.
    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    You seem to be assuming that China unleashed covid on purpose and needs
    to be punished for that. There is no proof of that. It is quite plausible that it was accidental, and a species hop from wild animals (bats?) to humans. If true, it would not be the first time that
    happened.

    Yes I am stating that that China did this w/ deliberate intention.
    Why am I convinced? China IS a Communist country. Let's take a look who they are and what they have done.
    1. They spy on us w/ balloons.
    2. They have been caught installing Chinese Spies within our political
    offices.
    3. They have been caught using their own students in a money
    laundering skeem having their own Chinese students selling drugs with
    fentanyl imported from China to Mexico.
    4. The Communist Chinese steal our intellectual property.
    5. The have many times manipulated their currency.
    6. They are buying at alarming rate land here in the U.S. that just so
    happens to be right next door to our Military installations.
    7. To Evade U.S. regulations, Chinese fentanyl producers shifted their
    primary market to Mexico. Mexican cartels use precursor compounds imported
    from China to manufacture large quantities of fentantyl products which are
    then smuggled into the United States.
    8. You can not walk into a Wal-mart or Target, hardware store as they have
    become nothing more then a "chinese-R-us" filled to the rafters w/ cheap
    inferior Chinese merchandise.
    9. There has been reported deaths w/ poisonous dyes and deadly ingredients
    within pet food.
    10. China remains the world's largest greenhouse gas emitter and produces
    28% of the worlds emissions.
    11. Unfair and unbalanced tariffs
    12. They boomed and big-leauge under Clinton, that was a bonehead move.

    China is proven to all the above things, so what makes you believe
    that covid-19 was not intentional, to believe otherwise is planting your head in the sand and then claiming that you do not see anything. This is extremely dumb and it is also naive. Fu** China

    Donald Trump was the very first to do something about China's unfair and unbalanced tariffs. For years crooked politicians would look the other way as they gained massive wealth in the form of payouts by the Communist Chinese.
    The Big Guy none other than Joe Biden and his criminal crime family have also taken money from the communist Chinese.

    Donald Trump didn't need to run for President but felt compelled to run
    because the U.S.A. has provided so much opportunity to him and his family, but make no mistake, it took a brilliant mind and plenty of ingenuity and hard
    work to build a life that would allow for these riches.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 18, 2023 01:31:02
    On 02-17-23 17:36, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Ron L. about Re: The Train Wreck <=-

    So, I have to call this non-reporting a "conspiracy".

    There's a lack of coverage about the covid "vaccine" not being a
    vaccine.

    That is because it is a vaccine, despite what the anti-vaccers say.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, February 18, 2023 12:18:07
    There's a lack of coverage about the covid "vaccine" not being a vaccine.
    That is because it is a vaccine, despite what the anti-vaccers say.

    The truth will prevail. It is not despite to state the undeniable truth.
    I am living proof I had COVID-19 and I recovered fully without any so-called covid-19 vaccine, many people have. Yes many people have succumbed to this horrible effects of Covid-19

    Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

    Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic almost three years ago, we have known that some people who are immunocompromised (have a weakened immune system) are more likely to get sick with COVID-19 or be sick for a longer period.

    The left's attempt to make the covid-19 vaccine into something that it has never been will prove to be a dismal failure.
    (The same could be said w/ all of the left's attempts in the past 20 years.)

    First, lets take a look and define once and for all, what exactly a vaccine is. What is a Vaccine?
    A substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen, typically prepared from an inactivated or weakened form of the causative agent or from its constituents or products.

    Majority of us, born on or after 1971 has received the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) vaccine as children. It was 1971, whereas a combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine was licensed for use in the United States. In 2005,
    a combination measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella (MMRV) vaccine was licensed. Which is why today we as a Nation are not suffering or plagued with horrible effects that includes massive death.

    The covid-19 vaccine by definition does not create any such immunity, if it
    did it there would be no need for multiple shots + numerous boosters.
    Masks do NOTHING, it is absolutely moronic to see people STILL wearing masks when they are driving.

    We are learning more about Myocarditis and pericarditis
    Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

    Myocarditis and pericarditis have rarely been reported. When reported, the cases have especially been in adolescents and young adult males within
    several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna).

    The origin country of Covid-19 is China, this is not in question.
    When is China going to held accountable for unleashing covid-19 upon the
    world? Do you believe that it will be a Democrat that will make this happen?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, February 19, 2023 13:41:01
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    The truth will prevail.

    But it will take generations, sadly. People like Dale will go to their death beds insisting that they were right - no matter how big a mountain of facts show otherwise.

    Since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic almost three years ago, we have known that some people who are immunocompromised (have a weakened immune system) are more likely to get sick with COVID-19 or be sick for
    a longer period.

    The problem with the COVID-19 scamdemic is that it has gotten too many professionals to examine the evidence of virology itself and has found it lacking - in big ways.

    At this point, virology is completely debunked and the idea that there is some virus going around making people sick is complete propaganda.

    That's not to say that SOMETHING isn't making people sick, but there's a complete lack of evidence that it's a virus.

    Sort of like back in polio days. They blamed the polio virus for the cause. But what's interesting is that:
    1. The rise and fall of polio closely match the rise and fall of the use of heavy metal pesticides in food production.
    2. The introduction of the polio "vaccine" had absolutely no impact on the fall of polio cases.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, February 20, 2023 00:55:00
    On 02-19-23 09:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-

    You were one of the lucky ones -- presuming that you do not end up suffering any after effects of your infection. Also presuming that you did not infect someone else who had a worse case of the disease.

    Protection against infecting others is one good reason to get vaccinated
    and/or wearing a mask and/or other good health practices.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news or alternate facts.

    Masks are one step in helping to prevent the spread of disease. I sometimes wear a mask when driving simply because I know that I would
    put it back on in a few minutes, or because I forgot to take it off
    before I started driving.

    Wait a minute. How are they working?
    Since your a mask wearier as I was for a short time.
    Have you noticed after wearing a mask for 6 to 8 hours, did you notice those tiny "fiberglass like" fibers, that would seem to be counter-intuitive for the reasons provided why you would were a mask.

    I have not noticed such fibers. Nor have I worn a mask for that period
    of time.

    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    Why not? The virus particles are larger than the odors.

    You seem to be assuming that China unleashed covid on purpose and needs
    to be punished for that. There is no proof of that. It is quite plausible that it was accidental, and a species hop from wild animals (bats?) to humans. If true, it would not be the first time that
    happened.

    Yes I am stating that that China did this w/ deliberate intention.
    Why am I convinced? China IS a Communist country. Let's take a look
    who they are and what they have done.

    You may be convinced, but you have no proof.

    1. They spy on us w/ balloons.

    All nation powers spy on each other in multiple ways.

    2. They have been caught installing Chinese Spies within our
    political offices.

    And the reverse is true.

    3. They have been caught using their own students in a money
    laundering skeem having their own Chinese students selling drugs
    with fentanyl imported from China to Mexico.

    That may be true, but I am not aware of it.

    4. The Communist Chinese steal our intellectual property.

    I know that they try, and that they have sometimes succeeded.

    5. The have many times manipulated their currency.

    ? What does that have to do with the issue at hand?

    6. They are buying at alarming rate land here in the U.S. that just
    so happens to be right next door to our Military installations.

    I am aware that they are buying land. It is a good investment and a
    good way to launder money. The Russians do the same thing with condos.

    7. To Evade U.S. regulations, Chinese fentanyl producers shifted
    their primary market to Mexico. Mexican cartels use precursor
    compounds imported from China to manufacture large quantities of
    fentantyl products which are then smuggled into the United States.

    Could be true -- but what does it have to do with proof of Covid origin?

    8. You can not walk into a Wal-mart or Target, hardware store as they have become nothing more then a "chinese-R-us" filled to the
    rafters w/ cheap inferior Chinese merchandise.

    That is because they work their people for sub standard wages.

    9. There has been reported deaths w/ poisonous dyes and deadly ingredients within pet food.

    Again, not aware. You get no argument on that from me.

    10. China remains the world's largest greenhouse gas emitter and
    produces 28% of the worlds emissions.

    True, and something the USA is trying to do something about.

    11. Unfair and unbalanced tariffs

    And then Trump established the same -- at the expense of the American
    consumer.

    12. They boomed and big-leauge under Clinton, that was a bonehead
    move.

    Why is that relevant to vaccine origin?

    China is proven to all the above things, so what makes you believe
    that covid-19 was not intentional, to believe otherwise is planting
    your head in the sand and then claiming that you do not see anything.

    I do not believe that covid-19 was intentional. Neither do I believe
    that it was not intentional. Believing something is to take it on faith
    with no evidence.

    This is extremely dumb and it is also naive. Fu** China

    No -- it is trusting in what I know is relevant and is proven. I'm not
    saying that China is not a bad player on the world scene -- it is. I am
    simply saying that the origin of Covid-19 has not been proven.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Monday, February 20, 2023 00:22:02
    On 02-19-23 13:41, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Vaccine <=-

    But it will take generations, sadly. People like Dale will go to
    their death beds insisting that they were right - no matter how big a mountain of facts show otherwise.

    I am right in saying that there is not yet any proof as to the origin of Covid-19. I am right in saying that we do not truly know.

    At this point, virology is completely debunked and the idea that there
    is some virus going around making people sick is complete propaganda.

    Rubbish -- PUSU.

    That's not to say that SOMETHING isn't making people sick, but there's
    a complete lack of evidence that it's a virus.

    Rubbish -- PUSU.

    Sort of like back in polio days. They blamed the polio virus for the cause. But what's interesting is that:
    1. The rise and fall of polio closely match the rise and fall of the
    use of heavy metal pesticides in food production.
    2. The introduction of the polio "vaccine" had absolutely
    no impact on the fall
    of polio cases.

    You are making conspiracy conjectures out of whole cloth. Are you
    really that gullible as to believe such stuff?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, February 20, 2023 16:26:00
    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news or alternate facts.

    While I agree some of the blame lies there, I also believe that where the
    blame lies may depend some on the point of view. If your point
    of view is of the person who watched many of your local businesses close,
    never to return, because the government closed them down while allowing
    chain stores to stay open, for example, I would expect them to blame the government.

    If you point of view is of that same person, or many others, who did what
    they were told and wore masks, stayed home, lost wages and/or their
    business, only to watch the government official(s) who told you to do all
    these things act one way on TV (how they want you to act) and then act
    another when out in public... unmasked, shaking hands, exchanging hugs,
    etc., at a political event... I would expect them to also blame the
    government.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, February 20, 2023 16:30:00
    But it will take generations, sadly. People like Dale will go to
    their death beds insisting that they were right - no matter how big a mountain of facts show otherwise.

    I am right in saying that there is not yet any proof as to the origin of Covid-19.

    I was under the impression that the scientists who have suggested that it jumped between species as a result of the conditions at a wet market and/or
    the smuggling operations that often supply said markets had at least some
    proof to back that claim.

    I am right in saying that we do not truly know.

    I agree that there is not 100% proof of any one theory.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Monday, February 20, 2023 12:54:36
    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    Why not? The virus particles are larger than the odors.

    I'm with you on the masks, Dale. There are people saying "masks do nothing," but I'm wondering how they would explain that to surgeons, industrial painters, asbestos abatement workers, etc. "Just take em off because they do nothing."

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, February 21, 2023 01:10:00
    On 02-20-23 16:26, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news or alternate facts.

    While I agree some of the blame lies there, I also believe that where
    the blame lies may depend some on the point of view. If your point

    It seems that it always does depend on point of view.

    of view is of the person who watched many of your local businesses
    close, never to return, because the government closed them down while allowing chain stores to stay open, for example, I would expect them to blame the government.

    TTTT, I was not aware that the chain stores were allowed to stay open
    and the mom & pop stores were forced to close. That was bad judgement.
    It seems to me that places like Walmark would have been greater
    spreaders than any one small business.

    If you point of view is of that same person, or many others, who did
    what they were told and wore masks, stayed home, lost wages and/or
    their business, only to watch the government official(s) who told you
    to do all these things act one way on TV (how they want you to act) and then act another when out in public... unmasked, shaking hands,
    exchanging hugs, etc., at a political event... I would expect them to
    also blame the government.

    Same reaction, except that Trump was a big offender of that sort of
    thing as well as hold massive ralleys with people all in close contact
    and not masked.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, February 21, 2023 01:18:02
    On 02-20-23 16:30, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-

    But it will take generations, sadly. People like Dale will go to
    their death beds insisting that they were right - no matter how big a mountain of facts show otherwise.

    I am right in saying that there is not yet any proof as to the origin of Covid-19.

    I was under the impression that the scientists who have suggested that
    it jumped between species as a result of the conditions at a wet market and/or the smuggling operations that often supply said markets had at least some proof to back that claim.

    My memory is not clear on what was said, and so I did not source them in
    my message.

    I am right in saying that we do not truly know.

    I agree that there is not 100% proof of any one theory.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2023 01:21:04
    On 02-20-23 12:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-


    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    Why not? The virus particles are larger than the odors.

    I'm with you on the masks, Dale. There are people saying "masks do nothing," but I'm wondering how they would explain that to surgeons, industrial painters,
    asbestos abatement workers, etc. "Just take em off because they do nothing."

    Your first two examples are accurate. When I was working, my unit moved
    from one office to another. A few weeks later when I walked past the
    old office, I saw men with special suits and masks with much better
    filters than the masks we are using today. They were hazardous removal
    people taking out the asbestos in my old office.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2023 08:33:39
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    I'm with you on the masks, Dale. There are people saying "masks do nothing," but I'm wondering how they would explain that to surgeons, industrial painters, asbestos abatement workers, etc. "Just take em off because they do nothing."

    Surgeons wear them to prevent their bodily fluids from getting in to your open wound (bypassing the protection of the skin) and prevent your bodily fluids from getting into their nose/mouth (again, bypassing the natural protections).

    Nothing to do with virus transmission.

    Painters, asbestos, etc. wear them to keep the dust/paint out of their lungs.

    Again, nothing to do with virus transmission.

    Masks are completely incapable of protecting anyone from something like a virus. But that assumes that viruses cause illness, and there's no evidence of that. Which makes masks doubly useless.

    The simple facts that:
    1. The Elitists were often out without their masks.
    2. The CDC's own web site contains over 150 studies that show that masks cannot protect against viruses.

    The mask mandates were done to control people. And morons still wear them today to either virtue signal, or as a replacement for their blankie because it makes them feel safe.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tuesday, February 21, 2023 16:13:00
    of view is of the person who watched many of your local businesses close, never to return, because the government closed them down while allowing chain stores to stay open, for example, I would expect them to blame the government.

    TTTT, I was not aware that the chain stores were allowed to stay open
    and the mom & pop stores were forced to close. That was bad judgement.
    It seems to me that places like Walmark would have been greater
    spreaders than any one small business.

    Your state may have done things different. Here, smaller stores were
    forced to close while Walmart and Kroger (regional grocery chain) could
    stay open. Not sure about Kroger, but at least the local Walmart did their part by keeping track of how many people went in and not allowing too many
    in at once.

    If you point of view is of that same person, or many others, who did what they were told and wore masks, stayed home, lost wages and/or
    their business, only to watch the government official(s) who told you
    to do all these things act one way on TV (how they want you to act) and then act another when out in public... unmasked, shaking hands, exchanging hugs, etc., at a political event... I would expect them to also blame the government.

    Same reaction, except that Trump was a big offender of that sort of
    thing as well as hold massive ralleys with people all in close contact
    and not masked.

    But was he preaching something other than he practiced? I agree, I didn't agree with what Trump was preaching, but I don't think he told people not to gather while doing it himself. Here, our govornor told people not to
    gather, even as families on holidays, while spending time hand-shanking and hugging, unmasked, during political events, and the Summer, 2020 unrest.

    Overall I think he did a great job but I am not too overwhelmed by that not
    to see some hypocrasy.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 00:49:00
    On 02-21-23 08:33, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Vaccine <=-

    Masks are completely incapable of protecting anyone from something
    like a virus.

    Wrong. They do give some protection.

    But that assumes that viruses cause illness, and
    there's no evidence of that.

    You have got to be kidding. Did you ever have chicken pox? That is
    caused by a virus. Did you have shingles? That is caused by the same
    virus. How about a cold? Or Flu? Both of those are caused by viruses.

    2. The CDC's own web site contains over 150 studies that
    show that masks cannot protect against viruses.

    PUSU -- give a quote a CDC study that you think says that.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 00:54:02
    On 02-21-23 16:13, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-

    TTTT, I was not aware that the chain stores were allowed to stay open
    and the mom & pop stores were forced to close. That was bad judgement.
    It seems to me that places like Walmark would have been greater
    spreaders than any one small business.

    Your state may have done things different. Here, smaller stores were forced to close while Walmart and Kroger (regional grocery chain)
    could stay open. Not sure about Kroger, but at least the local Walmart did their part by keeping track of how many people went in and not allowing too many in at once.

    I honestly do not know which stores were allowed to stay open and which
    were required to close (except for grocery stores). I mostly just
    stayed in my apartment during that period.

    Same reaction, except that Trump was a big offender of that sort of
    thing as well as hold massive ralleys with people all in close contact
    and not masked.

    But was he preaching something other than he practiced? I agree, I
    didn't agree with what Trump was preaching, but I don't think he told people not to gather while doing it himself.

    Your point is sort of valid. Trump himself ignored or over rode the CDC regulations or suggestions about not having mass gatherings. So, while
    he did not tell people not to gather -- his government did say that.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 07:29:15
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    Your state may have done things different. Here, smaller stores were forced to close while Walmart and Kroger (regional grocery chain) could stay open. Not sure about Kroger, but at least the local Walmart did their part by keeping track of how many people went in and not allowing too many in at once.

    That's the way is was in my state too. For the first week, they were militant about how many people, masks, etc. But then they saw their sales numbers drop and they relaxed their rules to the point where they were only doing lip service. It helped when the Sheriff declared that the COVID rules were not laws and he would not enforce them.

    Overall I think he did a great job but I am not too overwhelmed by that not to see some hypocrasy.

    The Elitists are always "Rules for thee, but not for me."


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 00:40:26
    Your first two examples are accurate. When I was working, my unit moved from one office to another. A few weeks later when I walked past the
    old office, I saw men with special suits and masks with much better filters than the masks we are using today. They were hazardous removal people taking out the asbestos in my old office.

    Right. And those guys wear their masks for the same reason that I wear mine, which is to (hopefully) save my life. (Of course their masks aren't designed for virus droplets, but it's the same logic.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 01:36:42
    The mask mandates were done to control people. And morons still wear
    them today to either virtue signal, or as a replacement for their
    blankie because it makes them feel safe.

    You have cold winters in your region. When's the last time you had the flu?

    I haven't had it since 2019, and that is unexplained. I always dreaded winter because of the flu, because I'd get the flu like 2x every winter, but ever since covid/mask-wearing began, I haven't had any flu at all, and neither has anyone else in my household, and it's obviously not normal.

    I contracted strep throat a couple years ago, but the doctor said that strep can be transmitted through fast food (as an example.)

    I wouldn't BS anybody. I might be misreading these signs, but it sure seems like the masks are protecting us from everything airborne, except for farts
    and burnt popcorn.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Wednesday, February 22, 2023 16:42:00
    Your state may have done things different. Here, smaller stores were forced to close while Walmart and Kroger (regional grocery chain)
    could stay open. Not sure about Kroger, but at least the local Walmart did their part by keeping track of how many people went in and not allowing too many in at once.

    I honestly do not know which stores were allowed to stay open and which
    were required to close (except for grocery stores). I mostly just
    stayed in my apartment during that period.

    I got out and let them load my car trunk for the first several months, then figured it was better to leave those slots for people who had real need for them (less healthy, older, etc.). Part of how I learned what was closed,
    and what was not, was through the news or friends who were no longer
    working because they closed the smaller, non-chain shops they worked at.

    I could also get out and walk downtown and see what was open and what was
    not. Being downtown, where there are no chains, there was not much of
    anything open. Once they started making us go back to work one day a week,
    I could see what stores and restaurants downtown made it, and which ones did not. Several long-time local businesses are no more.

    From what I can tell, in my state, how it was enforced also depends on
    where you live. With this being the capital, where the governor lives, it
    got enforced more. It got enforced in the larger towns, but it seemed not
    as long. Similar sized, and smaller towns, compared to mine may not have enforced it much at all.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, February 23, 2023 07:45:06
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You have cold winters in your region. When's the last time you had the flu?

    I can't remember. But then I really don't get sick. At worst, I get tired for about 24 hours.

    I wouldn't BS anybody. I might be misreading these signs, but it sure seems like the masks are protecting us from everything airborne, except for farts and burnt popcorn.

    And almost no one in my area has been wearing masks for at least the last 2 years (unless you consider scarfs "masks").

    I can't speak for how other people are getting along, but I would assume that if more people had your experience (i.e. no flu after wearing a mask all the time), I'd see people wearing masks more often.

    I would assert that the reason that you aren't getting the flu is not because of masks, but rather other people opting to stay home when they are sick.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Thursday, February 23, 2023 16:07:00
    I would assert that the reason that you aren't getting the flu is not because of masks, but rather other people opting to stay home when they are sick.

    Sadly, they do not do this often where I work. :( I try to avoid people
    at all costs, get my shots, and wear a mask when I leave my desk. I plan
    to retire this year so I don't see any reason to stop now. :)


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  • From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Thursday, February 23, 2023 15:51:00
    That's the way is was in my state too. For the first week, they were militant
    about how many people, masks, etc. But then they saw their sales numbers drop
    and they relaxed their rules to the point where they were only doing lip service. It helped when the Sheriff declared that the COVID rules were not laws and he would not enforce them.

    They stayed militant in my area, and others, until it was too late. Some
    of the towns/counties in other parts of the state did little enforcement,
    if any.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Friday, February 24, 2023 07:28:58
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Sadly, they do not do this often where I work. :( I try to avoid
    people at all costs, get my shots, and wear a mask when I leave my
    desk. I plan to retire this year so I don't see any reason to stop
    now. :)

    It seems to me that before the scamdemic, companies were like (or employees felt like companies were like) "If you aren't in, you'd better be coughing up a lung." While today a quick email "Not feeling good today. I'm going to work from home." is normal.

    But we are seeing more and more evidence that the mask mandates did nothing (other than increase other health problems) and that the jabs did less than nothing (didn't protect against COVID and causes problems for a percentage who got it).

    My immune system has always been strong. It stays that way by doing my best to stay healthy (i.e. eat good food and exercise) and **not** trying to live in a sterile environment.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sunday, February 26, 2023 12:15:25
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They did that where I work. There were some that didn't want to send people home at all but were told to from above. What they found was
    that people who were already productive were at least as productive out
    of the office. My take on that is (1) they were less likely to call in sick (which was proven true), and (2) they were less likely to be interrupted by co-workers who wanted to chat, share gossip, have unnecessary meetings, etc. (true for me personally... lots of uninterrupted time for getting things done).

    That's what we found too. Then as the "work from home" lengthened, some of those companies started asking the question of whether or not they even need offices. I remember reading where property values plummeted in NYC because companies realized that they don't need all those expensive offices anymore.

    The people who could not do their job remotely because it required a physical presence were at work,

    Ya, there's always going to be those jobs. At my current company, the people who actually assembled the devices had to be in the office because they need to be there with the inventory of parts and put the assembled devices in the warehouse. That's hard to manage from home.

    The managers who didn't want us to go home... some changed their tune while others stewed until things changed enough they could start
    forcing people back. Those "managers" cannot really manage and spend their time being overbearing. They are happy now because they can
    spend their time brow-beating their employees. Luckily none of them
    are my direct supervisors.

    At the "never work from home" companies that I worked for, the management belief was that we would all goof off if they weren't watching over us at all time. The reality was that management had no idea what we did anyway and so had no idea if we were productive in the first place. It just gave them a warm fuzzy seeing us at our desks "doing something".

    I think that in some of these companies, managers were forced to actually figure out how to measure the work of their employees.

    I've had my share of "bully" managers, and I'm glad I don't work at those companies any more.

    Now that we are in the office most of the time (but our contract
    employees are still at home full-time), I am very much missing the uninterrupted time where I could get things done.

    I can understand that. Luckily in my current company, we grew. Actually we outgrew the office. So most people are home. We have desk space when we need it, but even working in the office, we don't get many "walk ups".

    But people have grown accustomed to Microsoft Teams, Slack, etc. So no matter what, we still get interrupted.

    but we do have the folks who spend all day
    wanting to chit-chat who wander around interrupting anyone who looks
    busy.

    We called those people WOMBATs. Waste Of Money, Brains and Time.

    Most of them work in some sort of "diversity" dept.

    People who are good, and who are not too close to retirement to do so,
    are leaving and getting higher-paying jobs that are mostly/completely remote work, so we are left with:

    We had that about a year after the work from home. We all got raises because our mangement realized that we were competing for workers all over - not just in our local area.

    Companies that didn't realize that soon had a big labor problem.

    Since I won't be there, I also won't miss the continued slow slide into whatever the office will become as people who know or care what they
    are doing slowly disappear.

    I'm always saddened when this happens. But I know that I can't fix it, so I let it go.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Friday, February 24, 2023 16:00:00
    Sadly, they do not do this often where I work. :( I try to avoid people at all costs, get my shots, and wear a mask when I leave my
    desk. I plan to retire this year so I don't see any reason to stop
    now. :)

    It seems to me that before the scamdemic, companies were like (or employees felt like companies were like) "If you aren't in, you'd better be coughing up lung." While today a quick email "Not feeling good today. I'm going to work from home." is normal.

    I dunno about that. I think that depends on where you work, i.e. the lax places were almost always lax, and the strict places are mostly still strict.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Friday, February 24, 2023 16:08:00
    They stayed militant in my area, and others, until it was too late.

    There were some in my area that did that. They are no longer there. While
    h
    companies that relaxed the rules recovered and seem to be doing fine (well,
    s
    best as can be in this environment).

    The case here was not the companies being militant, but the local health department.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Saturday, February 25, 2023 01:55:06
    On 02-24-23 07:28, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Vaccine <=-

    But we are seeing more and more evidence that the mask mandates did nothing (other than increase other health problems) and that the jabs
    did less than nothing (didn't protect against COVID and causes problems for a percentage who got it).

    If you really believe what you are saying you need to do better research
    for the true facts. All of your statements about masks and vaccines are
    the exact opposite of the truth.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 25, 2023 02:15:08
    On 02-24-23 16:00, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Ron L. about Re: Vaccine <=-

    It seems to me that before the scamdemic, companies were like (or employees felt like companies were like) "If you aren't in, you'd
    better be coughing up
    lung." While today a quick email "Not feeling good
    today. I'm going to work
    from home." is normal.

    I dunno about that. I think that depends on where you work, i.e. the
    lax places were almost always lax, and the strict places are mostly
    still strict.

    The meat packing places were among the very strict, much to the
    detriment of their employees. Their response was almost like, if you
    aren't in the hospital and don't come in -- then don't bother to ever
    come back. As a result they were hot spots for Covid infection, both
    among the employees and among the residents of nearby communities.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 25, 2023 08:13:14
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I dunno about that. I think that depends on where you work,

    Oh, ya, very much so

    lax places were almost always lax, and the strict places are mostly
    still strict.

    So far, my experiences have been that the once "no way you are working from home" companies that I still have friends in have changed to "expected to work from home" or "optionally work from home."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, February 25, 2023 09:40:00
    It seems to me that before the scamdemic, companies were like (or employees
    felt like companies were like) "If you aren't in, you'd
    better be coughing up
    lung." While today a quick email "Not feeling good
    today. I'm going to work
    from home." is normal.

    I dunno about that. I think that depends on where you work, i.e. the lax places were almost always lax, and the strict places are mostly still strict.

    The meat packing places were among the very strict, much to the
    detriment of their employees. Their response was almost like, if you
    aren't in the hospital and don't come in -- then don't bother to ever
    come back. As a result they were hot spots for Covid infection, both
    among the employees and among the residents of nearby communities.

    I thought Ron meant post-pandemic. Yes, they were strict. Some of the strictest ones are owned by China, BTW -- Smithland and the brands it owns
    have been owned by China for several years now.

    I used to work in the office at a meat packing plant. We were considered
    IT but I think it would have been difficult for us to even do those jobs from remote.

    Any place that manufactured things, that didn't close down, would have had people working. We don't manufacture anything but the people who handle incoming money, the mail, etc., were still working. They were glad the
    rest of us were not there. It allowed them to spread out and get their
    jobs done without worrying about us bringing them cooties.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Saturday, February 25, 2023 09:42:00
    lax places were almost always lax, and the strict places are mostly still strict.

    So far, my experiences have been that the once "no way you are working from home" companies that I still have friends in have changed to "expected to work
    from home" or "optionally work from home."

    They did that where I work. There were some that didn't want to send
    people home at all but were told to from above. What they found was that people who were already productive were at least as productive out of the office. My take on that is (1) they were less likely to call in sick
    (which was proven true), and (2) they were less likely to be interrupted by co-workers who wanted to chat, share gossip, have unnecessary meetings, etc. (true for me personally... lots of uninterrupted time for getting things
    done).

    Meanwhile, the people who never did anything when they were in the office continued not doing anything. However, they weren't able to run around the office interrupting others, and they had to be online where their manager
    could reach them, which was an improvement. People who were really bad at
    that were supposed to get forced back into the office.

    The people who could not do their job remotely because it required a
    physical presence were at work, except on the days during the "Summer of Rage" when threats were made of violence downtown and offices had to be closed
    down. The threats turned out to be empty.

    The managers who didn't want us to go home... some changed their tune while others stewed until things changed enough they could start forcing people
    back. Those "managers" cannot really manage and spend their time being overbearing. They are happy now because they can spend their time
    brow-beating their employees. Luckily none of them are my direct supervisors.

    Now that we are in the office most of the time (but our contract employees
    are still at home full-time), I am very much missing the uninterrupted time where I could get things done. Since the contractors are not in the
    office, we don't have all of the dumb face-to-face meetings but we do have the folks who spend all day wanting to chit-chat who wander around interrupting anyone who looks busy.

    People who are good, and who are not too close to retirement to do so, are leaving and getting higher-paying jobs that are mostly/completely remote
    work, so we are left with:

    (1) the people who are young and want experience (so they can leave)
    (2) the people like me who are too close to retirement to leave
    (3) the people who have been their long enough they cannot be easily fired
    and who could not get a job anywhere else, remote or otherwise

    I plan to retire this Summer. If I decide to re-enter the workforce
    full-time, the likelihood of it being at a place where I have to be on-site
    a majority of the time will be pretty slim. I did not miss the social
    aspect of being at work and don't want to go back to that.

    Since I won't be there, I also won't miss the continued slow slide into whatever the office will become as people who know or care what they
    are doing slowly disappear.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:124/5014 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, February 26, 2023 12:33:28
    Protection against infecting others is one good reason to get vaccinated and/or wearing a mask and/or other good health practices.

    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news or alternate facts.
    Right vs Wrong has divided the country, generally it is the the people on
    the left who ignore (sometimes act out w/ violence - if there are opposing views that persist) These leftists have a problem any other viewpoint that challenges their ideas. Why is that it is because what the left believes to a very large extent is from a collective mind of which is nearly 100% driven by
    a political affiliation.
    Before you go with the concept that I do the same thing, what I believe in
    can be documented and the right and true course of a action, backed up scientific data. Knowledge is power, knowing when to use it is the key.

    Masks are one step in helping to prevent the spread of disease. I
    sometimes wear a mask when driving simply because I know that I would put it back on in a few minutes, or because I forgot to take it off before I started driving.
    Wait a minute. How are they working?

    Since your a mask wearier as I was for a short time.
    Have you noticed after wearing a mask for 6 to 8 hours, did you notice those tiny "fiberglass like" fibers, that would seem to be counter-intuitive for the reasons provided why you would were a mask.
    I have not noticed such fibers. Nor have I worn a mask for that period
    of time.

    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    Why not? The virus particles are larger than the odors.
    That is total BS there is no scientific evidence that suggests or even
    talks about the size of the particles as to the reason why the use of masks
    is recommended. Again it is nothing more then the left peddling their fake facts which is not even their own thoughts it is from the collective mind and is only a opinion which again based on a political affiliation.

    Yes I am stating that that China did this w/ deliberate intention. Why am I convinced? China IS a Communist country. Let's take a look who they are and what they have done.

    You may be convinced, but you have no proof.

    Just take a look at our nation and how well we were financially speaking we were doing, economically things were very good and all of this was stopped. What other proof is required?

    They have been caught installing Chinese Spies within our
    political offices.

    And the reverse is true.
    I would think an American Spy would stick out like a sore thumb, within
    China. So No, the reverse is not true at all. Not even a little bit.
    The primary reasoning why the Chi-cons were successful is because of
    our naivety, due to our weakness abundantly found within the hearts and minds
    of the liberal left.

    They have been caught using their own students in a money
    laundering skeem having their own Chinese students selling drugs
    with fentanyl imported from China to Mexico.
    That may be true, but I am not aware of it.
    There is many things that you have not considered.

    The Communist Chinese steal our intellectual property.
    I know that they try, and that they have sometimes succeeded.
    More consideration is needed, that they have been more successful then I
    think you realize.
    The have many times manipulated their currency.
    ? What does that have to do with the issue at hand?
    More consideration is again recommended, you need to understand how and why
    all of these facts fit into place, just a puzzle, all you need to do is
    connect the dots and what should be seen is a not only a different view but
    it should be a revelation and lend itself coming about to 180 degrees in the
    other direction. Btw, Misrepresenting the value of currency is an actionable
    violation of the IMF and the WTO agreements.

    They are buying at alarming rate land here in the U.S. that just
    so happens to be right next door to our Military installations.

    I am aware that they are buying land. It is a good investment and a
    good way to launder money. The Russians do the same thing with condos.
    The difference between what the Russians are doing vs the Chi-cons are
    doing is not even similar.

    To Evade U.S. regulations, Chinese fentanyl producers shifted
    their primary market to Mexico. Mexican cartels use precursor compounds imported from China to manufacture large quantities of fentantyl products which are then smuggled into the United States.

    Could be true -- but what does it have to do with proof of Covid origin?
    As far as the proof of origin of covid everyone knows it is Wuhan, China
    Simple Internet search
    Source: Johns Hopkins University
    "There has been a lot of evidence up to this point that the seafood market
    [in Wuhan] was the epicenter of SARS-CoV-2, but these recent reports are the
    death knell for any alternative theories.

    The reason why people thought that it wasn't the market was because the
    Wuhan Virology Institute a laboratory where scientists study
    coronaviruses is in the same city. People thought that it came from [that]
    lab.

    But the evidence shows that the market was definitely the culprit, just as in
    2003, when a live animal market led to the emergence of SARS a smaller
    pandemic, but nonetheless very concerning.

    You can not walk into a Wal-mart or Target, hardware store as the
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Sunday, February 26, 2023 18:16:00
    That's what we found too. Then as the "work from home" lengthened, some of those companies started asking the question of whether or not they even need offices. I remember reading where property values plummeted in NYC because companies realized that they don't need all those expensive offices anymore.

    We were able to get rid of some rented space, which meant there were not
    enough offices to go back to when they decided to try to bring everyone
    back.

    At the "never work from home" companies that I worked for, the management belief was that we would all goof off if they weren't watching over us at all time. The reality was that management had no idea what we did anyway and so had no idea if we were productive in the first place. It just gave them a
    ar
    fuzzy seeing us at our desks "doing something".

    Exactly! In my case, a lot of them are political appointees so the "no
    idea" thing happens often (although not like it used to).

    But people have grown accustomed to Microsoft Teams, Slack, etc. So no
    atter
    what, we still get interrupted.

    True. Now, I get interrupted by the WOMBATs and, in turn, get interrupted
    by a Teams call. :)

    but we do have the folks who spend all day
    wanting to chit-chat who wander around interrupting anyone who looks busy.

    We called those people WOMBATs. Waste Of Money, Brains and Time.

    I like that. I will have to remember to use it.

    Since I won't be there, I also won't miss the continued slow slide into whatever the office will become as people who know or care what they
    are doing slowly disappear.

    I'm always saddened when this happens. But I know that I can't fix it, so I let it go.

    Yes. You and the other worker bees can only do so much. After a while,
    you realize it is not in your control.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, February 26, 2023 18:25:00
    I am aware that they are buying land. It is a good investment and a
    good way to launder money. The Russians do the same thing with condos. >The difference between what the Russians are doing vs the Chi-cons are
    doing is not even similar.

    I believe the money laundering part is at least similar. I also believe
    the Russians likely still spy on us, although probably not to the extent
    the Chinese do. They are advanced on modern technology vs. Russia.

    But the evidence shows that the market was definitely the culprit, just as in >2003, when a live animal market led to the emergence of SARS a smaller >pandemic, but nonetheless very concerning.

    I have always been convinced it was the market, or another like it. Too
    many signs pointing to that trade as the origin to ignore them.

    The Chinese initial reaction, to cover it up until thousands of Chinese had left the area (and country!) for New Year celebrations was the part that
    has always called me to question their intentions.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, February 27, 2023 00:46:09
    Hello Greg,

    Protection against infecting others is one good reason to get
    vaccinated and/or wearing a mask and/or other good health practices.

    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    Not to worry. The new combo flu/covid vaccines this fall will get you.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and
    the
    Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control
    and to
    divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news
    or
    alternate facts.

    Right vs Wrong has divided the country, generally it is the the people on the left who ignore (sometimes act out w/ violence - if there are opposing views that persist) These leftists have a problem any other viewpoint that challenges their ideas. Why is that it is because what the left believes to
    a
    very large extent is from a collective mind of which is nearly 100% driven by
    a political affiliation.

    On February 22, Scott Adams, creator of the "Dilbert" cartoons, got
    himself into a heap of trouble by posting a video on YouTube showing
    himself to be the true racist he has always been -

    "If nearly half of all Blacks are not OIK with white people ... that's
    a hate group. And I don'twant to have anything to do with them."

    In his video, he suggested white Americans "get the hell away from
    Black people" - which is basically how he lives his own sorry life.

    It is people like Scott Adams who are dividing this country by
    spreading such words of hate. That is clearly a Wrong and can never
    be called a Right.

    It is not a difficult decision. Call a Wrong a Wrong and throw the
    racist creep under the bus. Along with any newspaper that chooses to
    continue publishing his sick cartoons, thus depriving him of all his
    income.

    Before you go with the concept that I do the same thing, what I believe in can be documented and the right and true course of a action, backed up scientific data.

    Once upon a time, most folks (including scientists) believed white
    people were the superior race with all non-white races being inferior,
    but capable of catching up to white folks in due time.

    Then came Charles Darwin, who gave the world an entirely new theory.

    However, not everybody agreed with Darwin, and so the Creationists
    had to have their day in court. The case is known as The Monkey Trial.

    We all know who won that one.

    Knowledge is power, knowing when to use it is the key.

    Is it? The new way of thinking (after Darwin) was most folks believed
    white people were the superior race with all non-white races being
    inferior, but never capable of catching up to white folks at any time.

    Scientists of that time developed a ranking system, with the English
    being at the top and noted as genius, other white folks smart but not
    genius, other races dumb and stupid, blacks having the intelligence
    of a gorilla or chimpanzee.

    Politicians used the knowledge given to them by scientists and
    created monsters such as Jim Crow ...

    Masks are one step in helping to prevent the spread of disease.
    I
    sometimes wear a mask when driving simply because I know that I
    would
    put it back on in a few minutes, or because I forgot to take it off
    before I started driving.
    Wait a minute. How are they working?

    Since your a mask wearier as I was for a short time.
    Have you noticed after wearing a mask for 6 to 8 hours, did you
    notice
    those tiny "fiberglass like" fibers, that would seem to be
    counter-intuitive for the reasons provided why you would were a
    mask.
    I have not noticed such fibers. Nor have I worn a mask for that
    period
    of time.

    How is it; While a wearing a mask you can still smell fowl odors?

    Why not? The virus particles are larger than the odors.

    That is total BS there is no scientific evidence that suggests or even talks about the size of the particles as to the reason why the use of masks
    is recommended.

    When an individual who is infected coughs, he/she spreads particles
    in the air that could be breathed in by others. If the individual who
    coughed was wearing a mask, fewer pathogens would have been spread.
    Those wearing masks would be at less risk of getting covid, although
    there is never any guarantee.

    Again it is nothing more then the left peddling their fake facts which is not even their own thoughts it is from the collective mind and is only a opinion which again based on a political affiliation.

    Spreading lies about covid-19 having been developed in a biological
    lab in China, and then released (either deliberate or accidental) is
    based purely on a political affiliation.

    Yes I am stating that that China did this w/ deliberate
    intention.
    Why am I convinced? China IS a Communist country. Let's take a
    look
    who they are and what they have done.

    You may be convinced, but you have no proof.

    Just take a look at our nation and how well we were financially speaking we
    were doing, economically things were very good and all of this was stopped.
    What other proof is required?

    Trump tanked our economy. Over 400,000 people lost their lives due
    to Trump's incompetence with covid-19. Does that make Trump a murderer?
    Some folks think so. A mass murderer.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, February 27, 2023 00:54:00
    On 02-26-23 12:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-


    Protection against infecting others is one good reason to get vaccinated and/or wearing a mask and/or other good health practices.

    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so
    called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have
    gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    And your point is what? If it is that the Covid vaccines do not offer
    100% immunity, then consider that it was not ever expected to do so.
    But 95% with the vaccine is better than 0% without the vaccine.

    Plus, even for those who do get Covid after being vaccinated and
    boostered, they do not get anywhere near as severe a case. The Covid
    vaccine offers protection against the vaccine, but it is not perfect.
    Perfect is the enemy of good.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news or alternate facts.

    Right vs Wrong has divided the country, generally it is the the people
    on the left who ignore (sometimes act out w/ violence - if there are opposing views that persist)

    Seriously. Can you really make such a blanket statement in the face of
    what happened on January 6, 2021?

    Before you go with the concept that I do the same thing, what I
    believe in can be documented and the right and true course of a action, backed up scientific data. Knowledge is power, knowing when to use it
    is the key.

    You say that, but still refuse to acknowledge the scientific data that conflicts with your belief.

    They have been caught installing Chinese Spies within our
    political offices.

    And the reverse is true.

    I would think an American Spy would stick out like a sore thumb,
    within China.

    Perhaps that is because you are blind to the fact that are large number
    of Chinese-Americans in the USA who could blend quite well in China.

    As far as the proof of origin of covid everyone knows it is Wuhan,
    China Simple Internet search
    Source: Johns Hopkins University
    "There has been a lot of evidence up to this point that the seafood
    market [in Wuhan] was the epicenter of SARS-CoV-2, but these recent reports are the death knell for any alternative theories.

    True.

    The reason why people thought that it wasn't the market was because
    the Wuhan Virology Institute a laboratory where scientists study coronaviruses is in the same city. People thought that it came from
    [that] lab.

    Thought. But neither has been proven one way or the other. To say
    otherwise is pure speculation.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Monday, February 27, 2023 20:25:19
    Hello Dale,

    Protection against infecting others is one good reason to get
    vaccinated
    and/or wearing a mask and/or other good health practices.

    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so
    called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have
    gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    And your point is what? If it is that the Covid vaccines do not offer 100% immunity, then consider that it was not ever expected to do so.
    But 95% with the vaccine is better than 0% without the vaccine.

    Not necessarily. China is a big place. With a huge population.
    So is India. And other countries. Many people in those places have
    not been vaccinated, and have suffered greatly as a result.

    But what about Africa, with so many countries whose populations
    have never been vaccinated? Very few of them have caught covid, or
    suffered any dire effects among those who have.

    Plus, even for those who do get Covid after being vaccinated and boostered, they do not get anywhere near as severe a case. The Covid vaccine offers protection against the vaccine, but it is not perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good.

    Remember the swine flu vaccine? President Ford pushed it. Wanted
    every American to get vaccinated so as to keep us safe. The Soviet
    Union objected, claiming it was an attempt of biological warfare.
    Several people in the US became deathly ill, and some died. The
    program was pulled before everyone could be vaccinated.

    Republicans want to hold hearings concerning the origins of covid-19.
    Some claim it got started as the result of an experiment gone wrong
    at a biological lab in China, that a pathogen accidentally escaped.

    I might be lucky, or it could be something else.
    Yes many have died, and due to these deaths was born fear and the
    Democrats seized this opportunity to use this fear to control and to
    divide the country.

    Who divided the country? IMO, it was those who spread the false news
    or alternate facts.

    Right vs Wrong has divided the country, generally it is the the people
    on the left who ignore (sometimes act out w/ violence - if there are
    opposing views that persist)

    Seriously. Can you really make such a blanket statement in the face of what happened on January 6, 2021?

    They were bipartisan, wanting to hang both Pelosi and Pence.
    Proving once and for all two Wrongs make a Right. Regardless of
    what the Department of Injustice says.

    Before you go with the concept that I do the same thing, what I
    believe in can be documented and the right and true course of a action,
    backed up scientific data. Knowledge is power, knowing when to use it
    is the key.

    You say that, but still refuse to acknowledge the scientific data that conflicts with your belief.

    "You can't handle the truth!" ~ Colonel Nathan R. Jessup

    "It is the people in power, not the voters, who are driving the
    fracturing of our nation." ~ John Nichols

    It used to be people believed white people were the superior race,
    with black people not even being people at all, but more like monkeys.
    Then came Charles Darwin, who had a totally different idea. Lots of
    folks were impressed, and began to see things his way. But now the
    world has gone into remission and monkeys have come out on top.
    Depending on one's point of view.

    They have been caught installing Chinese Spies within our
    political offices.

    And the reverse is true.

    I would think an American Spy would stick out like a sore thumb,
    within China.

    Perhaps that is because you are blind to the fact that are large number
    of Chinese-Americans in the USA who could blend quite well in China.

    Jackie Chan to the rescue!

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, February 27, 2023 15:58:38
    "If nearly half of all Blacks are not OIK with white people ... that's
    a hate group. And I don'twant to have anything to do with them."

    In his video, he suggested white Americans "get the hell away from
    Black people" - which is basically how he lives his own sorry life.

    The Democrats/The Media have a tool that's like a swiss army knife for creating division, and that tool is the phrase "black community."

    The Dilbert guy almost got it right, but whites don't need to avoid all
    blacks, just black leftists, because their hatred mode has been activated.

    Smart black people don't let the media program their feelings for them.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 14:40:35
    Hello Aaron,

    "If nearly half of all Blacks are not OIK with white people ... that's
    a hate group. And I don'twant to have anything to do with them."

    In his video, he suggested white Americans "get the hell away from
    Black people" - which is basically how he lives his own sorry life.

    The Democrats/The Media have a tool that's like a swiss army knife for creating division, and that tool is the phrase "black community."

    Scott Adams is a white racist who hates Blacks.

    The Dilbert guy almost got it right, but whites don't need to avoid all blacks, just black leftists, because their hatred mode has been activated.

    Scott Adams called Blacks a "hate group" and says he doesn't want
    to have anything to do with them. That is what he has posted publicly
    on YouTube for all to see. A true white racist - to the core.

    Smart black people don't let the media program their feelings for them.

    Smart people (regardless of race) do not want to have anything at all
    to do with Scott Adams, or his cartoon.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 15:17:02
    Hello Aaron,

    "If nearly half of all Blacks are not OK with white people ... that's
    a hate group. And I don'twant to have anything to do with them."

    In his video, he suggested white Americans "get the hell away from
    Black people" - which is basically how he lives his own sorry life.

    [..]

    The Dilbert guy almost got it right, but whites don't need to avoid all blacks, just black leftists, because their hatred mode has been activated.

    Scott Adams is a white racist, as quoted by his own words. Agreeing
    with his view makes you a racist, regardless of whatever color of skin
    you happen to be. It takes a really sick bastard to hate people on the
    basis of the color of a person's skin, but that is exactly what Scott
    Adams is.

    JOY REID: People don’t even feel bad about their anti-Blackness these
    days. They are grossly, actually kind of proud of it. Case in point,
    Dilbert, the widely-syndicated comic strip about office culture that
    appeared in 2000 newspapers around the world.

    You may be familiar with the comic, but maybe not its creator, Scott
    Adams. Frankly, I had no idea who the guy was. Well, until he went on
    a racist rant on YouTube last Wednesday.

    SCOTT ADAMS (VIDEO CLIP): I think it makes no sense whatsoever as a
    white citizen of America, to try to help Black citizens anymore. So I’m
    going to, I’m going to back off from being helpful to Black America
    because it doesn’t seem like it pays off. If, you know, nearly half of
    all Blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll. Not according to me. According to this poll. That’s a hate group. That’s a
    hate group. And I don’t want to have anything to do with them.

    JOY REID: Well, how will Black folk ever survive without you, whoever
    you are? Okay. There is a lot to unpack there. The unabashed anti
    -Blackness and racism. But also this country’s long history of dubbing
    Black people as the hateful, violent ones, while also exposing this
    weird offensive belief that white people need to get something out of
    helping others.

    And again, what does this guy ever done for anyone that’s Black? Anyway, hundreds of newspapers, including The Washington Post, New York Times,
    Los Angeles Times of USA Today, announced that they would stop
    publishing Dilbert after Adams’ tirade.

    Also, that part the Dilbert guy mentioned about a poll? He was talking
    about a poll by Rasmussen Reports, the right wing polling outfit that
    found 53% of Black Americans agreed with the statement “It’s okay to be white.”

    I mean, why would a poll even ask that? Oh, because it’s Rasmussen, of course, the agenda-driven conspiracy-theory boosting pollster who loves
    to stir the pot in the culture war. The phrase “it’s okay to be white,” by the way, has been labeled a hate slogan by the Anti-Defamation
    League, a slogan popularized as a trolling campaign by members of 4Chan.

    source: MSNBC

    Have fun defending your white racist creep.

    Smart black people don't let the media program their feelings for them.

    Joy Reid is a Black woman who tells it like it is.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 20:06:34
    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    And your point is what? If it is that the Covid vaccines do not offer 100% immunity, then consider that it was not ever expected to do so.
    But 95% with the vaccine is better than 0% without the vaccine.

    I do remember the narrative from the left. They called us crazies and conspiracy theorists turns out WE were right about the origin and even the intentions.

    On July 21, 2021 Joe Biden said the following via a CNN Townhall
    " You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."
    The CDC had to walk that back to tell us the following The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that COVID-19 vaccines are effective. But no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness. "There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19,"

    Fauci flip-flopped on masks, first he told he that we don't need to wear masks, then he suggested that we should not only wear them but to double-up on them. You don't remember any of that?

    The reason why people thought that it wasn't the market was because the Wuhan Virology Institute a laboratory where scientists study coronaviruses is in the same city. People thought that it came from [that] lab.

    Thought. But neither has been proven one way or the other. To say otherwise is pure speculation.

    It is not speculation anymore is it?
    The FBI Director Christopher Wray said that the COVID-19 pandemic was likely caused by a lab leak in Wuhan, China. (not the market)
    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the
    pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray told Fox
    News in an interview that aired Tuesday. "Here you are talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab."
    The FBI director indicated this after the Energy Department found
    COVID-19 most likey came from a Chinese Lab.

    A Chinese virologist who sounded the alarm in early 2020 about where the coronavirus came from said Monday the U.S. has reached a "milestone achievement" after a classified intelligence report from the Energy
    Department reportedly found the virus most likely originated in a Chinese
    lab.

    Dr. Li Meng Yan told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" in September 2020 that the Chinese government intentionally manufactured and released the COVID-19
    virus, leading to nationwide shutdowns and deaths.

    Host Tucker Carlson asked Yan on Monday if she still believes the virus was intentionally released nearly three years after the pandemic started.

    "Of course, it was not an accident," she responded.

    "Maybe for people who don't have this kind of biosafety lab 3 or 4 experience on coronavirus, maybe it's easy for them to accept the accident lab leak. However, I'm a scientist, working in [a] research lab using coronavirus. And
    I can tell you, based on the print protocol and also the other surveillance system, it would be impossible for the lab leak [to] accidentally happen in such [a] lab and cause the Wuhan outbreak and also the pandemic," Yan said.

    "So definitely now we just reached the first step. It was from China's lab,
    and we need to pursue the truth of origin, and we need to keep going on."

    Carlson suggested the Chinese government unleashed COVID to destroy Western economies and elevate their own position globally.
    "However, I don't think the outbreak in Wuhan was intentional. I would say it was because [the] CCP government and the military scientists underestimated
    the transmissibility," she added. "That's why finally it got out of control
    and the cost [was] a local outbreak. However, we should know that [the] CCP government intentionally let it go all over the world to kill millions of people all over the world later." More on that important FACT ie; Travel

    Yan was a respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing in April 2020 after she
    began looking into the growing number of cases coming out of mainland China that involved human-to-human transmission.

    She said she reported her findings to her supervisor on Jan. 16, but that's when he allegedly told her "to keep silent, and be careful."
    "As he warned me before, 'Don't touch the red line,'" Yan said referring to
    the government. "We will get in trouble, and we'll be disappeared."

    Travel
    Travel restrictions within China, but if you wanted to go outside of
    mainland China you were permitted to do so with NO restrictions of anykind.
    If that is not an intentional action of the CCP, I don't know what is?
    You don't need to be a rocket scientist to connect the dots here.
    It's so simple a liberal could do it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 01:59:56
    Scott Adams called Blacks a "hate group" and says he doesn't want
    to have anything to do with them. That is what he has posted publicly
    on YouTube for all to see. A true white racist - to the core.

    He shouldn't have said that, but it's 1/2 true.

    Smart people (regardless of race) do not want to have anything at all
    to do with Scott Adams, or his cartoon.

    Leftist Rule #1: Skin Color is Everything

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 02:06:11
    Scott Adams is a white racist, as quoted by his own words. Agreeing
    with his view makes you a racist, regardless of whatever color of skin
    you happen to be. It takes a really sick bastard to hate people on the basis of the color of a person's skin, but that is exactly what Scott Adams is.

    Agreeing with Joe Biden makes you a racist. Joe Biden doesn't want his "kids to go to school in a racial jungle."

    SCOTT ADAMS (VIDEO CLIP): I think it makes no sense whatsoever as a
    white citizen of America, to try to help Black citizens anymore. So I’m

    This part I agree with. No color owes anything to another color.

    because it doesn’t seem like it pays off. If, you know, nearly half of all Blacks are not okay with white people, according to this poll. Not

    This part is obviously BS, and he should have stopped while he was ahead.

    Also, that part the Dilbert guy mentioned about a poll? He was talking about a poll by Rasmussen Reports, the right wing polling outfit that found 53% of Black Americans agreed with the statement “It’s okay to be white.”

    But it's gay to take polls on skin color-related topics. And only leftists would do such a thing.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 02:02:02
    On 02-28-23 20:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Vaccine <=-


    There have been many people who have gotten stabbed with this so so
    called vaccine + all of the available boosters, and they still have
    gotten covid. Which proves this is not a vaccine at all.

    And your point is what? If it is that the Covid vaccines do not offer 100% immunity, then consider that it was not ever expected to do so.
    But 95% with the vaccine is better than 0% without the vaccine.

    I do remember the narrative from the left. They called us crazies and conspiracy theorists turns out WE were right about the origin and even
    the intentions.

    Just how were "WE" right since the origin is not known even yet, and any statements about intentions are just speculation.

    On July 21, 2021 Joe Biden said the following via a CNN Townhall
    " You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

    That may be what he thought at the time. We know now that is not
    completely accurate. If there was "probably" in between "You're" and
    "not" then the statement would be completely accurate.

    The CDC had to walk that back to tell us the following The U.S.
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that COVID-19 vaccines
    are effective. But no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing
    illness. "There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people
    who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19,"

    That is true. Also, that percentage is far less than those who have
    received no vaccination shots. Same for deaths.

    Fauci flip-flopped on masks, first he told he that we don't
    need to wear masks,

    I recall that he said that at a time when masks were not readily
    available and he wanted what supplies there were to go to the health
    personnel who were in constant exposure to Covid.

    then he suggested that we should not only wear them but to double-up
    on them. You don't remember any of that?

    I don't recall the exact wording -- nor whether he was talking about the surgical type masks or the KN95 masks that are now quite available.

    The reason why people thought that it wasn't the market was because
    the Wuhan Virology Institute a laboratory where scientists study coronaviruses is in the same city. People thought that it came from
    [that] lab.

    Thought. But neither has been proven one way or the other. To say otherwise is pure speculation.

    It is not speculation anymore is it?

    Yes, it is.

    The FBI Director Christopher Wray said that the COVID-19 pandemic was likely caused by a lab leak in Wuhan, China. (not the market)

    Notice the word "likely", not certainly.

    "The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray told
    Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday. "Here you are talking
    about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab."
    The FBI director indicated this after the Energy Department found
    COVID-19 most likey came from a Chinese Lab.

    Did the FBI report carry the same "low confidence" that the DoE report
    did?

    Dr. Li Meng Yan told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" in September 2020 that
    the Chinese government intentionally manufactured and released the COVID-19 virus, leading to nationwide shutdowns and deaths.

    Not that she has any axe to grind. As you said later, she and her
    theory were silenced, and then she left China early in the pandemic.

    Host Tucker Carlson asked Yan on Monday if she still believes the
    virus was intentionally released nearly three years after the pandemic started.
    "Of course, it was not an accident," she responded.

    One person's belief, albeit a scientist. But did she offer any proof?

    "Maybe for people who don't have this kind of biosafety lab 3 or 4 experience on coronavirus, maybe it's easy for them to accept the
    accident lab leak. However, I'm a scientist, working in [a] research
    lab using coronavirus. And I can tell you, based on the print protocol
    and also the other surveillance system, it would be impossible for the
    lab leak [to] accidentally happen in such [a] lab and cause the Wuhan outbreak and also the pandemic," Yan said.

    Her statements put one in a choice between two things. Either it did
    not come from the research lab (and so more likely the wet market) or it
    was intentional release.

    Carlson suggested the Chinese government unleashed COVID to destroy Western economies and elevate their own position globally.

    Maybe you are able to believe what Carlson says, but even FOX news does
    not.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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