Tim,

This is old news now, since Ross is never coming back to Fidonet, but I
am cleaning out old files from my hard drive and I came across this item
that I stored away. On August 25, 2000, after Dan Ceppa discussed his experiences with a huge fire at Yellowstone Park, Ross upped the ante by tossing in his experiences with Mt. St. Helens:

"I know what you mean.
I lived in Yakima, Washington back in the spring of 1980.
Two weeks after that hill west of me threw up, a friend and I went into
the
area, (but not too close).
We saw plants and animals already starting to come back, and this was only
a couple weeks after that area was nearly scoured.
(You haven't lived until you've walked through an area that used to be a
forest of TALL trees, mowed down like sticks.)"

Years later, of course, he swore that he had never lived anywhere but
Sheboygan and San Antonio. I know you keep archives, but didn't know if
you wanted to archive this or not.

- - - - -

|From: ROSS SAUER
|To: GOD DAN
|Sub: Burns Me Up
|Date: 25 Aug 00 10:56:04

On 21 Aug 00 10:13:18, Curtis Johnson got back to God Dan

Maybe you'd like to develop Yellowstone?

I'd sooner sit on 'Old Sparky' before I'd let that happen.

There are a few sparks flying around there right now:

"Yellowstone Estates: Where the firewood comes to you
already lit!"

LOL!

Been their, done that, had my shirt singed.

It was about 15 yrs ago I lived 'near' Yellowstone when a large
portion of the Park went up in flames. I could see the light from
the fires at night, about 165 miles away.

Trust me, the only thing that was lost was some buildings. The
Park was rejuvenating itself within days after the fire.

BTW, that particular fire was so great because natural fires were
put out far to quickly. And, in all seriousness, with far more newly,

_naturally_ planted trees than were lost in the fire. Not a single

young tree that you may see in the fire areas of that time were
planted by man.

I know what you mean.
I lived in Yakima, Washington back in the spring of 1980.
Two weeks after that hill west of me threw up, a friend and I went into
the
area, (but not too close).
We saw plants and animals already starting to come back, and this was only
a couple weeks after that area was nearly scoured.
(You haven't lived until you've walked through an area that used to be a
forest of TALL trees, mowed down like sticks.)
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On 04-15-19, EARL CROASMUN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Tim,

This is old news now, since Ross is never coming back to Fidonet, but I EC>am cleaning out old files from my hard drive and I came across this item EC>that I stored away. On August 25, 2000, after Dan Ceppa discussed his EC>experiences with a huge fire at Yellowstone Park, Ross upped the ante by EC>tossing in his experiences with Mt. St. Helens:

"I know what you mean.
I lived in Yakima, Washington back in the spring of 1980.
Two weeks after that hill west of me threw up, a friend and I went into EC>the
area, (but not too close).
We saw plants and animals already starting to come back, and this was only EC>a couple weeks after that area was nearly scoured.
(You haven't lived until you've walked through an area that used to be a EC>forest of TALL trees, mowed down like sticks.)"

Years later, of course, he swore that he had never lived anywhere but EC>Sheboygan and San Antonio. I know you keep archives, but didn't know if EC>you wanted to archive this or not.

- - - - -

|From: ROSS SAUER
|To: GOD DAN
|Sub: Burns Me Up
|Date: 25 Aug 00 10:56:04

On 21 Aug 00 10:13:18, Curtis Johnson got back to God Dan

Maybe you'd like to develop Yellowstone?

I'd sooner sit on 'Old Sparky' before I'd let that happen.

There are a few sparks flying around there right now:

"Yellowstone Estates: Where the firewood comes to you
already lit!"

LOL!

Been their, done that, had my shirt singed.

It was about 15 yrs ago I lived 'near' Yellowstone when a large
portion of the Park went up in flames. I could see the light from
the fires at night, about 165 miles away.

Trust me, the only thing that was lost was some buildings. The
Park was rejuvenating itself within days after the fire.

BTW, that particular fire was so great because natural fires were
put out far to quickly. And, in all seriousness, with far more newly,

_naturally_ planted trees than were lost in the fire. Not a single

young tree that you may see in the fire areas of that time were
planted by man.

I know what you mean.
I lived in Yakima, Washington back in the spring of 1980.
Two weeks after that hill west of me threw up, a friend and I went into EC>the
area, (but not too close).
We saw plants and animals already starting to come back, and this was only EC>a couple weeks after that area was nearly scoured.
(You haven't lived until you've walked through an area that used to be a EC>forest of TALL trees, mowed down like sticks.)

As it happens I was in Yakima, Washington sitting in a motel the Sunday St Helens went off big time. The ground shook like crazy and the tv almost went
on the floor. When the shaking stopped I stepped outside to see if there was any damage, and a huge cloud rose from the distant west and to the south. St Helens had blown its stack!


Unlikely Sauer ever set foot in Washington. Exept for a very short time spent in San Antonio, he probably never got out of Wisconsin.


A niece of mine lives in Wisconsin with her husband and family. He's a retired Navy Commander, who commanded one of the last two Swift Boat groups. The Swift Boat was being discontinued just as he was retiring.



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Hello TIM,

18 Apr 19 21:26 at you wrote to EARL CROASMUN:

As it happens I was in Yakima, Washington sitting in a motel the
Sunday St Helens went off big time. The ground shook like crazy and
the tv almost went on the floor. When the shaking stopped I stepped outside to see if there was any damage, and a huge cloud rose from the distant west and to the south. St Helens had blown its stack!

I was living in Junction City, Oregon at the time (about 20 miles north of Eugene). I remember watching on TV about MSH blowing its top. We had to deal with the ash a few days later. I remember everyone worried about their cars getting ruined from sucking in ash. I was more worried about myself at the time (I was nine years old). My mom made me and my sister wear respirators if we went outside.

Somewhere, I have a big chunk of MSH ash if it hasn't been stolen...

Later,
Sean

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Unlikely Sauer ever set foot in Washington. Exept for a very short

time spent

in San Antonio, he probably never got out of Wisconsin.

From San Antonio he went to Colorado Springs for tech school - and from
there back to Wisconsin. Total time spent about 90 days, of which
basic training was about 8 weeks
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Hello TIM,

18 Apr 19 21:26 at you wrote to EARL CROASMUN:

As it happens I was in Yakima, Washington sitting in a motel the
Sunday St Helens went off big time. The ground shook like crazy

and

the tv almost went on the floor. When the shaking stopped I

stepped

outside to see if there was any damage, and a huge cloud rose

from the

distant west and to the south. St Helens had blown its stack!

I was living in Junction City, Oregon at the time (about 20 miles

north of

Eugene). I remember watching on TV about MSH blowing its top. We

had to deal

with the ash a few days later. I remember everyone worried about

their cars

getting ruined from sucking in ash. I was more worried about myself

at the

time (I was nine years old). My mom made me and my sister wear

respirators if

we went outside.

Somewhere, I have a big chunk of MSH ash if it hasn't been stolen...

I was at Offutt at the time. Some guy in the area went out to Mt. St
Helens after the eruption and brought back buckets of ash, which he
packed in sandwich bags and sold for about five bucks apiece
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Hello BOB,

22 Apr 19 16:11 at you wrote to me:

I was at Offutt at the time. Some guy in the area went out to Mt. St Helens after the eruption and brought back buckets of ash, which he
packed in sandwich bags and sold for about five bucks apiece

Heh. You could just look under the hood of your car and get the same amount for free. :D

Later,
Sean

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On 04-22-19, BOB ACKLEY said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Unlikely Sauer ever set foot in Washington. Exept for a very short

time spent

in San Antonio, he probably never got out of Wisconsin.

From San Antonio he went to Colorado Springs for tech school - and from BA>there back to Wisconsin. Total time spent about 90 days, of which
basic training was about 8 weeks.

He never went to Colorado Springs. He lied about that. Besides, his IQ wasn't high enough to help him complete basic training.

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On 04-22-19, BOB ACKLEY said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Unlikely Sauer ever set foot in Washington. Exept for a very short

time spent

in San Antonio, he probably never got out of Wisconsin.

From San Antonio he went to Colorado Springs for tech school - and from BA>there back to Wisconsin. Total time spent about 90 days, of which
basic training was about 8 weeks.

He got hurt in Basic and spent time in the base hospital in San Antonio, then took a discharge and went home. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall at his hangouts and heard the `war' stories he told his peers when he got back to Wisconsin.


I still have a `Ross Sauer' file on a thumb drive. Thats the way he told the `story'.


It was a couple of years after he'd already told what his `career' consisted
of that he came up with the `weapons systems mechanic' tale.





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On 04-19-19, SEAN DENNIS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Hello TIM,

18 Apr 19 21:26 at you wrote to EARL CROASMUN:

As it happens I was in Yakima, Washington sitting in a motel the
Sunday St Helens went off big time. The ground shook like crazy and
the tv almost went on the floor. When the shaking stopped I stepped
outside to see if there was any damage, and a huge cloud rose from the distant west and to the south. St Helens had blown its stack!

I was living in Junction City, Oregon at the time (about 20 miles north of SD>Eugene). I remember watching on TV about MSH blowing its top. We had to SD>deal with the ash a few days later. I remember everyone worried about SD>their cars getting ruined from sucking in ash. I was more worried about SD>myself at the time (I was nine years old). My mom made me and my sister SD>wear respirators if we went outside.

Somewhere, I have a big chunk of MSH ash if it hasn't been stolen...

When we picked up the trailer loaded with apples on Monday morning and started driving east, volcanic ash was all over the place an inch or more deep, all
the way to eastern Nebraska. If I'd known what demand the ash would be in for grinding and polishing compound, I'd have collected a 55 gallon drum of it.

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On 04-22-19, BOB ACKLEY said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Unlikely Sauer ever set foot in Washington. Exept for a very short

time spent

in San Antonio, he probably never got out of Wisconsin.

From San Antonio he went to Colorado Springs for tech school - and from BA>there back to Wisconsin. Total time spent about 90 days, of which
basic training was about 8 weeks.

Just went back through some old files on Sauer. He said he fell and broke his ankle during basic, and he once posted up a rather huffy post where made the statement:


"I was in for TWO MONTHS!" .....Sauer


Two months is `8 weeks'. Somewhere I have the post he put up where he said he broke his ankle in his fifth or sixth week of basic, spent the rest of his
time in the base hospital. He then claimed he was offered a discharge and had to sign a release over the ankle.


It was a long time after having stated he'd broke his ankle in basic and got discharged, that he made the claim to have worked on A-10 Warthogs, and been trained as a `weapons systems mechanic'.


However.....there's one thing anyone trained at Lowry as a `weapon systems mechanic' would have known; one single thing that Sauer never mentioned. And, had he attended `weapons systems' training at Lowry as he claimed, he'd have mentioned it first off, as those trained there in that mos pretty well always bring that up with no small amount of pride.


Sauer was lying.


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Sauer was lying.

So are you. So what's the big deal?

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Hello Tim,

[..]

Sauer was lying.

Sauer is a patriot! Volunteered for duty!

Trump is a wimp! Avoided serving in Vietnam by
getting six deferments, including one for bone spurs!

We need more true American patriots to protect this
country, such as can only be found in Wisconsin, rather
than bone spur cadets!

Ross Sauer for President!

There is a difference between lying and misunderstanding.
The guy was unable to get through basic training, for whatever
reason(s). That is the reason for basic training. To weed
out those who are unfit for combat (service in the military).

If he fantasized about being a `weapon systems mechanic' then
he was a `weapon systems mechanic'. At least in his own mind.
Not that it would get him anywhere, as he never made the cut
to serve.

--Lee

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Hello TIM,

23 Apr 19 23:48 at you wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

It was a long time after having stated he'd broke his ankle in basic
and got discharged, that he made the claim to have worked on A-10 Warthogs, and been trained as a `weapons systems mechanic'.

I think I remember this. I was still in active duty stationed at Fort Hood at the time. I was a 13B (gun bunny) but they figured out I knew computers so they made me battalion automation specialist. Do you know how damn hard it was to teach gun bunnies how to use Windows 95? :D

Later,
Sean

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getting six deferments, including one for bone spurs!

Bone spurs are incredibly painful for people who have to be on their feet for long periods of time. The military frowns on giving people light duties due
to medical issues. It's not like they have door greeters in wheelchairs.

I think military service used to be a requirement for president, but the last president to serve was George HW.

Obama & Clinton do deserve recognition for fighting against the USA though.

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Hello Aaron,

getting six deferments, including one for bone spurs!

Bone spurs are incredibly painful for people who have to be on their feet for
long periods of time. The military frowns on giving people light duties

due

to medical issues. It's not like they have door greeters in wheelchairs.

Bone spurs on one's feet is not a medical condition that disallows
someone from military service. Donald Trump was the son of a wealthy
real estate developer, and he wanted to do everything possible to
avoid military service in Vietnam.

I think military service used to be a requirement for president, but the last president to serve was George HW.

Military service was never a requirement for president. GWB
avoided service in Vietnam by signing with the Texas Air National
Guard, thus keeping the skies of Texas safe from the Viet Cong Air
Farce. He did leave a tad bit early to get his teeth cleaned in
Alabama, but his commanding officer forgave him, which is why
he was never courts martialed.

Obama & Clinton do deserve recognition for fighting against the USA

though.

Clinton could have been drafted, but fortunately drew a high
number and as a result never had to serve in Vietnam.

Obama was spending time in Indonesia during the early part
of the US involvement in Vietnam, and then in Hawaii when the
military draft and US involvement in Vietnam came to an end.

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Bone spurs on one's feet is not a medical condition that disallows
someone from military service. Donald Trump was the son of a wealthy
real estate developer, and he wanted to do everything possible to
avoid military service in Vietnam.

Are you sure? My dr isn't sure if I have heel spurs or plantar fasciitis, but whatever the case may be, there's no way the army could count on me to stand guard anywhere. I could sit guard - but do you think they want someone to sit guard?

Could a wealthy person pay the military to not draft their son?

What are all these numerous things he did to avoid going to Vietnam?

Obama was spending time in Indonesia during the early part
of the US involvement in Vietnam, and then in Hawaii when the
military draft and US involvement in Vietnam came to an end.

It's good that Obama spent time with his brotherhood in Indonesia during the Vietnam war. He could've been seriously injured had he went to nam instead.
He could have ended up handicapped like those olympians he mocked on TV.

I know a few Kenyans who are all really nice guys. I think Obama would've
been a nice guy too if he had grown up in Kenya.

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On 04-27-19 10:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: old post <=-

Could a wealthy person pay the military to not draft their son?

Not directly, but they could pay a doctor to fill out an inflated
report.

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Re: Re: old post
By: Dale Shipp to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 28 2019 01:23 am

Could a wealthy person pay the military to not draft their son?

Not directly, but they could pay a doctor to fill out an inflated
report.

Great point! It does no good to point fingers at who should pay for what. Everyone draws from the same deck. It's your responsibility to "play" them. Work Hard or Don't. Work Easy. But you can't tell me how to spend my money no matter how I earn it.
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Hello Aaron,

Bone spurs on one's feet is not a medical condition that disallows
someone from military service. Donald Trump was the son of a wealthy
real estate developer, and he wanted to do everything possible to
avoid military service in Vietnam.

Are you sure?

Yes, according to Trump's doctor at the time. There may have
been other factors aside from having bone spurs on his feet, but
bone spurs alone are not a disqualifying medical condition.

My dr isn't sure if I have heel spurs or plantar fasciitis, but
whatever the case may be, there's no way the army could count on me to

stand

guard anywhere. I could sit guard - but do you think they want someone to sit guard?

During WWII you would have been declared fit as a fiddle, sent
to basic training, then to the front lines.

Could a wealthy person pay the military to not draft their son?

GWB had friends in high places who helped him get a coveted slot
in the Texas Air National Guard as his means of avoiding military
service in Vietnam. Dick Cheney had the financial means to buy
six deferments, including one so that he and his wife could make
a baby, as his means of avoiding military service in Vietnam.
Lots of other politicians used whatever connections they had to
avoid military service in Vietnam. And who can blame them?

I just wish po' folks had the same opportunity.

What are all these numerous things he did to avoid going to Vietnam?

Lots of people got deferments. Many for legitimate reasons. Others
could have gotten deferments but chose not to do so. Some volunteered,
rather than waiting to be drafted. And then there were those who had
no choice but leave the country, thus dodging the draft.

Vietnam was not popular war. Jimmy Carter granted dodge dodgers
clemency, an opportunity to come home. Would he have approved of
Donald Trump's taking advantage of using deferments as his means
of avoiding military service in Vietnam? What about others, such
as GWB and Dick Cheney?

I do not believe there is any such thing as a "just war". All
wars are about killing. And there is nothing good about man killing
his fellow man.

Obama was spending time in Indonesia during the early part
of the US involvement in Vietnam, and then in Hawaii when the
military draft and US involvement in Vietnam came to an end.

It's good that Obama spent time with his brotherhood in Indonesia during

the

Vietnam war.

He was a kid, being brought up in Indonesia by his mother and
step-father. His biological father had left his mother when he
was two years old, so he never really knew him at all.

He could've been seriously injured had he went to nam instead.

As a child he would have been fine. As long as the village he
was staying in never got bombed by US airplanes.

He could have ended up handicapped like those olympians he mocked on TV.

The Vietnamese call it the American War rather than the Vietnam War.
After all, it was their land the Americans were fighting on.

I know a few Kenyans who are all really nice guys. I think Obama would've been a nice guy too if he had grown up in Kenya.

President Barack Obama visited the grave where his father
was buried in Kenya. After his father had left his mother,
the only other time he got to spend time with him was for
one week in his early teens.

Kenya is an interesting country, although I have never been
there. One of my friends in Louisiana married a gal from Sri
Lanka. Her parents live in Kenya. So they made it a family
event, getting married in Kenya rather than in Louisiana.

Both work for the phone company, but she makes more than
him, even though they have the same education and experience.
But she is a woman, a minority, and from another country.

Now you know why everybody wants to come to America.

--Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

Bone spurs on one's feet is not a medical condition that disallows
someone from military service.

It is now. I called a friend I served with that is an Army recruiter. You
can get a waiver but it's difficult from what he tells me.

Then again, I failed the physical and still got in the Army.

I just found out why I failed last year: I have a Chiari Type 1 malformation
of my cerebellum. That means that my cerebellum has grown down through the
top entrance to my spinal cord. I've always had balance issues and
dizzinessw and I know why. Oddly enough, it was discovered via a CT scan
for a different and non-related issue.

Later,
Sean

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Bone spurs on one's feet is not a medical condition that

disallows

someone from military service. Donald Trump was the son of a

wealthy

real estate developer, and he wanted to do everything possible to
avoid military service in Vietnam.

Are you sure? My dr isn't sure if I have heel spurs or plantar

fasciitis, but

whatever the case may be, there's no way the army could count on me

to stand

guard anywhere. I could sit guard - but do you think they want

someone to sit

guard?

Could a wealthy person pay the military to not draft their son?

During the Civil War men could and did pay substitutes to do their
military service.

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During WWII you would have been declared fit as a fiddle, sent
to basic training, then to the front lines.

Some changes must have occurred in the description of fit for duty. Trump
would have had to fight in WWII, but by the 60s, the rules recognized people suffering with pain in their feet can't stay focused on anything other than
the pain.

That's how it was for me. I worked as a security guard, standing guard, and
the pain in my heels was so bad that all I could think about was "How do I
make it look like I'm standing up, while removing the burden from my feet?"
So then I'd be leaning against walls, drifting away from camera view so I
could sit on the floor for a few minutes, etc. If I had to deal with an
enemy, my first instinct would be relief for my feet, 2nd instinct to stop
the enemy from killing me, 3rd instinct to worry about the others who depend
on me to stand guard.

GWB had friends in high places who helped him get a coveted slot
in the Texas Air National Guard as his means of avoiding military
service in Vietnam. Dick Cheney had the financial means to buy

That sounds pretty shady of Bush & Cheney. At least Trump had a medical condition. Although I think I get your point. Presidents aren't what they
used to be. They used to be fighters, now they're draft-dodgers.

I just wish po' folks had the same opportunity.

Poor people need to look on the bright side of things. They fought while
others hid, because they had no choice. Even now, poor people will die
sooner because they can't afford to protect themselves like the wealthy. But
I don't think the wealthy should cry about it, or pay for it, because their amassing of wealth isn't the reason why others are poor.

Both work for the phone company, but she makes more than
him, even though they have the same education and experience.
But she is a woman, a minority, and from another country.

Now you know why everybody wants to come to America.

But don't we have the same problem here? Men get paid more than women doing
the same job. They should be warned before coming!

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Hello Aaron,

During WWII you would have been declared fit as a fiddle, sent
to basic training, then to the front lines.

Some changes must have occurred in the description of fit for duty. Trump would have had to fight in WWII, but by the 60s, the rules recognized

people

suffering with pain in their feet can't stay focused on anything other

than

the pain.

Pain also differs from individual to individual. Some folks have
a high threshhold, others a low threshhold. And then there are those
who faint at the sight of blood.

That's how it was for me. I worked as a security guard, standing guard,

and

the pain in my heels was so bad that all I could think about was "How do I make it look like I'm standing up, while removing the burden from my

feet?"

So then I'd be leaning against walls, drifting away from camera view so I could sit on the floor for a few minutes, etc. If I had to deal with an enemy, my first instinct would be relief for my feet, 2nd instinct to stop the enemy from killing me, 3rd instinct to worry about the others who

depend

on me to stand guard.

Would that have kept you out of WWII? I doubt it. As long as
you had a pulse, you were in. That is how the military viewed the
situation in those days. Bone spurs on your feet might have been
an acceptable excuse to avoid service during Vietnam, but not an
automatic deferment. Today it might be grounds for an automatic
deferment.

GWB had friends in high places who helped him get a coveted slot
in the Texas Air National Guard as his means of avoiding military
service in Vietnam. Dick Cheney had the financial means to buy

That sounds pretty shady of Bush & Cheney.

In and of itself, there is no dishonor in getting a deferment.
However, the reasons for getting a deferment are sometimes more
of an excuse than a reason.

At least Trump had a medical condition. Although I think I get your point. Presidents aren't what they used to be. They used to be fighters, now they're draft-dodgers.

I do not blame GWB, or Trump, from wanting to avoid military
service in Vietnam. Bill Clinton also got deferments, and when
he ran out, he was lucky enough to get a high draft number.
The war was not popular, and the US should never have gotten
itself involved in the first place. But for politicians to
paint themselves as "patriots" while deliberately avoiding
military service is more than hypocritical.

I just wish po' folks had the same opportunity.

Poor people need to look on the bright side of things.

There is no bright side of being forced to serve in the military,
especially in a conflict that had nothing to do with our own national
security. But because the poor did not have the same resources as
the wealthy, they could not buy their way out.

They fought while others hid, because they had no choice.

Some managed to escape to New Zealand or Canada. Or even Sweden.
Took them a while to return home, having to wait until Jimmy Carter
offered them a ticket (with conditions).

Even now, poor people will die sooner because they can't afford to protect themselves like the wealthy.

Is that something to be proud of? The wealthy get to stay home,
and benefit, from the sacrifices poor folks make for them. Many
of whom never return, their remains never to be found.

But I don't think the wealthy should cry about it, or pay for it, because their amassing of wealth isn't the reason why others are poor.

Yes, it is.

The wealthy should be the first in line to go. It was their idea
to start a war, and inflict pain upon others, for their own benefit.

The French told us to stay out of Indochina. We did not listen.
Why not? Because rich folks knew they would benefit from having
the US military involved. Trading lives for real estate is as
old as time itself. As long as those lives are not your own.

Both work for the phone company, but she makes more than
him, even though they have the same education and experience.
But she is a woman, a minority, and from another country.

Now you know why everybody wants to come to America.

But don't we have the same problem here? Men get paid more than women

doing

the same job. They should be warned before coming!

She knew where the money was. ;)

--Lee

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Obama & Clinton do deserve recognition for fighting against the USA though.

Love it!! great comeback and quite apt as well. :)

Welcome back, Gaylen!

Mike

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Mike Powell wrote to GAYLEN HINTZ <=-

Love it!! great comeback and quite apt as well. :)

Welcome back, Gaylen!

Thanks, good to be back... don't know how often I'll be around
but it's good to see a lot of familiar names around here. :)

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aaron thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

I think military service used to be a requirement for president, but
the last president to serve was George HW.

Obama & Clinton do deserve recognition for fighting against the USA though.

Love it!! great comeback and quite apt as well. :)


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