Elizabeth is still not being honest! she has said recently said that she is not a tribal citizen, this was only due to the scrutiny that she has received. She was asked directly "Why did you indicate being an American Indian on the Texas bar application?" She continues to not represent the truth.
(what most of us speculate to be closer to the truth.)
She explains, that when she was a little girl playing with her siblings, she heard family stories. C'om On Lady, your not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes.

You did what you did to gain preferential treatment which would raise your chances of being accepted into the Texas Bar. She has a snowball chance in
hell in becoming President.

Although, I would love to see her in a Presidential debate with Donald Trump. That would be entertaining, as it would have more viewer-ship then the Superbowl.

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You did what you did to gain preferential treatment which would raise your chances of being accepted into the Texas Bar. She has a snowball chance in hell in becoming President.

If she were a Republican, I would agree. Democrats and their voters do not usually care as much about bending or breaking the law when they choose a candidate to vote for. As long as she promises handouts she will get their votes.

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You did what you did to gain preferential treatment which would raise yo chances of being accepted into the Texas Bar. She has a snowball chance hell in becoming President.

If she were a Republican, I would agree. Democrats and their voters do not usually care as much about bending or breaking the law when they choose a candidate to vote for. As long as she promises handouts she
will get their votes.

I can not understand why democrats think the way they do, to me it's not
really thinking at all, but it is also UN-American. Republicans must do everything they can to make Democrats less and less significant.

1. Their policies of Free Stuff;
Free College is a term that 'used to be' clear enough to know what it meant. (as always it still remains unclear, what band of 'others peoples money' that they will pay for it)
Here in New York free college will soon take on a brand new meaning.
(I was assured by the executive chamber staff, that the Governor will sign it.) If you are a illegal immigrant you will get free college. I wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camels back and be too much for Democrats to handle. It should be something to wake them up and turn them red from blue.
If *this* does not make them mad as a hornet - nothing will.
I would think Cuomo is committing political suicide sealing his fate assuring that he will never again win another term.
* Are those grounds for impeachment & and is there such a thing on the state level. or is that just a buzzword out taken out of the Democrat playbook when there is a Republican President in The White House.

2. NYC must be removed to some degree, I am not suggesting that they be
granted statehood, just that ideals and values are to be separated from Upstate NY. (As they are vastly different from one another) However, it would not bother me if they were removed from NY to be granted statehood.
It is the very reason why New York is a blue state, it's New York City. In the Presidential election of 2016 every single county in New York was Red for Donald Trump. NYC was blue. NY remained Blue.

3. Cuomo's statement made on Jan 19, 2014 Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life, pro-gun conservatives 'have no place' in New York.

I was born in Troy, New York of which is the forever home of Uncle Sam.

His statement of 01/19/2014 is not ok with me.
* it has been repeated over and over again since then.

This is not ok with me, it makes my blood nearly come to a boil.
So much so, that I have looked into the qualifications for me to replace him.

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Hello Greg,

[..]

If she were a Republican, I would agree. Democrats and their voters do
not usually care as much about bending or breaking the law when they
choose a candidate to vote for. As long as she promises handouts she
will get their votes.

I can not understand why democrats think the way they do, to me it's not really thinking at all, but it is also UN-American. Republicans must do everything they can to make Democrats less and less significant.

Everything ought to be free. That is what everybody believes.
Not just Democrats. Of course, it is always better when others
pay for stuff rather than having to pay for it yourself. But
really. We all want the same thing.

You have to spend money to make money. Preferably other people's
money. That is how to make it in this world. If you had to spend
your own money you would never have enough to get what you want.
You do understand how that works.

The business of business is business. In order to remain in
business, business must make a profit. Otherwise, that business
will no longer be in business. Government is not a business.
The business of government is to provide goods and services to
the people. Why? Because government is the people.

When those who are elected to serve in government use their
positions to further enrich themselves, they are not doing the
jobs they were elected/appointed to do. We own them, not the
other way around.

The current POTUS is using his position to further enrich
himself. So are many members of Congress (both Democrats and
Republicans). Even though this is unconstitutional, they all
still do it.

If there were no Democrats around, only Republicans would be
doing it. If there were no Republicans around, only Democrats
would be doing it. But human nature being what it is, every
politician does it, regardless of party affiliation.

What we need to do is get rid of money. That's right.
Money is the root of all evils. We must learn how to live
in a Star Trek world. A world devoid of money, so that
no politician can get greedy. Even the greediest politician
would not be able to get his/her hands on money because
there would be no money to be had. See how that works?

This would force everybody to share. Free college tuition.
Free healthcare. Free food. Free housing. You name it.

Since everything will be free, there would no longer be
any need for political parties. Just as the Framers of the
Constitution intended. Go ahead. Read the US Constitution.
No mention is made of political parties.

Since everything will be free, there also would be no need
for banks. Why save money when there is no money to be had?
Nobody saves money anyway, as most people spend it as soon
as they get it. And no need for credit cards, either. No
money means no credit. Just grab what you need and use it.

1. Their policies of Free Stuff;
Free College is a term that 'used to be' clear enough to know what it

meant.

Louisiana has a free college tuition program known as TOPS.
It is very popular. Georgia also has a free college tuition
program. Why limit such wonderful free college tuition
programs to two states? Much better to let everybody go
to school for free, everywhere in the USA.

The return on this investment is astronomical. By having
a more educated workforce, business and industry would have
the best people in the world working for them - all of them
born in the USA. The taxes these people pay throughout
their working days pays many times more for the free schooling
they get.

(as always it still remains unclear, what band of 'others peoples money' that they will pay for it)

Of course those who receive free schooling pay for it.
Many times over through the taxes they pay. Having better
jobs due to having a quality education means higher pay.
Higher pay means paying more taxes. Most people do not
mind paying higher taxes if it means getting better pay.

Here in New York free college will soon take on a brand new meaning.
(I was assured by the executive chamber staff, that the Governor will sign it.)

That's good news. New York will finally join the ranks of Louisiana
and Georgia. You should be proud of your governor for having the balls
to sign such a fine piece of legislation.

If you are a illegal immigrant you will get free college. I wonder if this will be the straw that broke the camels back and be too much for Democrats to handle.

Illegal immigrants are deported. Dreamers get to stay, at least
for now. But they aren't residents of New York. So I find your
assertion highly questionable.

It should be something to wake them up and turn them red from blue.

Cuomo just beat the pants off his opposition, winning another
term in office. His party also did nicely in the last election.

If *this* does not make them mad as a hornet - nothing will.

The TOPS program is the most popular program Louisiana has ever
enacted. Been on the books for decades.

I would think Cuomo is committing political suicide sealing his fate assuring that he will never again win another term.

Students, and their parents, will raise Cuomo's status to that
of a living god.

* Are those grounds for impeachment & and is there such a thing on the state level. or is that just a buzzword out taken out of the Democrat playbook when there is a Republican President in The White House.

Andrew Cuomo could use this legislation to launch his own bid
for the White House. But I think he has something else in mind.
If his candidate wins, he will be appointed to a position in the
new administration, ready to take his turn after she retires.

2. NYC must be removed to some degree, I am not suggesting that they be granted statehood, just that ideals and values are to be separated from Upstate NY.

New Orleans is very different from the rest of Louisiana.
That is why the only governor of Louisiana from New Orleans
was the inept Dave Treen. Remember the governor on the TV
sitcom "Benson"? That was Dave Treen.

(As they are vastly different from one another)

NYC has burroughs. Louisiana has parishes. New Orleans
is both a parish and a city.

However, it would not bother me if they were removed from NY to be granted statehood.

The Louisiana Purchase did not include the city of New Orleans.
Read the document. The French has sold New Orleans to Spain before
the US bought Louisiana from France. Spain never sold New Orleans
to the US, but left when too many Americans flooded the city.
Technically, one could say that New Orleans is a separate entity,
not really part of Louisiana, or the USA.

It is the very reason why New York is a blue state, it's New York City. In the Presidential election of 2016 every single county in New York was Red for Donald Trump. NYC was blue. NY remained Blue.

The electoral college votes in NY are based on popular votes
throughout the entire state, not just one particular area.

Nationally, if the electoral votes were based on how many counties
went for one candidate versus another candidate, rather than votes,
Trump would have won in a landslide. But the fact of the matter
is Clinton beat the pants off of him by almost 3 million votes
nationally.

3. Cuomo's statement made on Jan 19, 2014 Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life, pro-gun conservatives 'have no place' in New York.

I was born in Troy, New York of which is the forever home of Uncle Sam.

Many of Cuomo's supporters are pro-life, pro-gun liberals.
Some of them from Troy, NY.

His statement of 01/19/2014 is not ok with me.
* it has been repeated over and over again since then.

Pro-life means from the moment of conception to the moment
of natural death. How many people are truly pro-life based
on that definition? First, you would have to rule out all
those who are in favor of the death penalty ...

This is not ok with me, it makes my blood nearly come to a boil.

Why? He was elected by the people of New York. He is the
choice of the people. Maybe not your own personal choice, but
the choice of all the people.

So much so, that I have looked into the qualifications for me to replace him.

First, you have to be old enough.
Not necessarily mature. But old enough.
Kind of like Donald Trump, who is also from NY.

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You did what you did to gain preferential treatment which would

raise your

chances of being accepted into the Texas Bar. She has a snowball

chance in

hell in becoming President.

If she were a Republican, I would agree. Democrats and their voters

do not

usually care as much about bending or breaking the law when they

choose a

candidate to vote for. As long as she promises handouts she will get

their

votes.

As a fellow pointed out here back in 1995 (if I feel energetic I'll
type in the whole post, it's a long one), people will vote for whoever promises them government 'benefits' that they don't have to pay for.
48% of the American people do not pay income tax.

Ms. Warren advocates a 'wealth tax' - which is unConstitutional,
Congress has only the power to tax imcomes, wealth is not income
(although with the leftward bias of the courts that may change).
Basically, she wants to take money from people who earned it and give
it to people who didn't.
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I can not understand why democrats think the way they do, to me it's not really thinking at all, but it is also UN-American. Republicans must do everything they can to make Democrats less and less significant.

On the topic of the apparent double standard of law-breaking, etc., the way
it was told to me once was like this: Republicans usually campaign on
being law-abiding and cleaning things up so, when they do something bad,
they are being a hypocrit (sp?) which, in turn, gives the other side a ton
of ammo. That is how the double standard comes about. The standard is not applied to the Democrats because they do not campaign the same way.

1. Their policies of Free Stuff;

Things are never really free. Someone is paying for them. Some folks who qualify for the "free stuff" do not care who is paying for it. They assume
it is a faceless corporation but, in most cases, the corporations are still getting the tax breaks they always get no matter who is in office. Chances
are the folks paying the most for the free stuff are the ones who are
working hard, paying their taxes, and trying not to become poor.

So, by promising and giving away free stuff, the Democrats are ensuring
that the groups that benefit from the stuff say in need (and indebted to
them), and they also bring more folks down into the cycle of requiring
things from the government to survive. It is a legal way to BUY VOTES.

* Are those grounds for impeachment & and is there such a thing on the state
level. or is that just a buzzword out taken out of the Democrat playbook when >there is a Republican President in The White House.

Depends on your state. You'd have to check on that. To be fair, the word "impeach" was also trotted out during the Clinton years also.

2. NYC must be removed to some degree, I am not suggesting that they be granted statehood, just that ideals and values are to be separated from

Upstat

NY. (As they are vastly different from one another) However, it would not bother me if they were removed from NY to be granted statehood.
It is the very reason why New York is a blue state, it's New York City. In

the

Presidential election of 2016 every single county in New York was Red for Donald Trump. NYC was blue. NY remained Blue.

I think a lot of "purple" states are like that. The bigger cities tend to determine how the states votes go. Kentucky is a state that
is traditionally very "local blue." Democrats historically have
outnumbered Republicans 2 to 1 and, in some areas, Democrats only need win
a primary race as they always run unopposed in the Fall.

That said, many of them are conservative enough that the Democrats have
issues carrying the state. When Clinton carried the state back in 1996, he
did so only because Louisville and Lexington, the two largest cities,
favored the Democrats heavily. Nearly all of the rest of the state, minus
the capital, went overwhelmingly Republican.

I may be remembering that wrong... it may have been 1992 against Bush, now
that I think about it.

Anyway, I knew Hillary was in trouble when I learned that the capital went
blue for the first time in (probably) over 100 years. The state went blue enough to overcome Lexington and Louisville's votes.

3. Cuomo's statement made on Jan 19, 2014 Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life, pro-gun conservatives 'have no place' in New York.

That is a dumb thing to say but, as you point out, when you only have to
play to NYC, that probably works out.

I was born in Troy, New York of which is the forever home of Uncle Sam.
This is not ok with me, it makes my blood nearly come to a boil.
So much so, that I have looked into the qualifications for me to replace him.

I was born in the state I live in. I would be pretty upset if our Governor made a statement that made me feel unwelcome (especially since the current
one is not originally from here). Good luck if you decide to pursure that route.

Mike

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Chances are the folks paying the most for the free stuff are
the ones who are working hard, paying their taxes, and trying not to become poor.

The left gripe about the rich, then ask for money from the same people, Bernie raised 6 million dollars in 24 hours.
Hypocrite.

I do not see why people would support someone who believes in socialism. Socialism worked in Germany at one time, but it is odd to think it would work here in the United States. It's almost alien to me.

NY. (As they are vastly different from one another) However, it would no bother me if they were removed from NY to be granted statehood.

After this post was made by me I heard about a local Republican politician Daphne Jordan, talking about this very issue.

I would be upset if our Gov made a statement that made me feel unwelcome

I believe in action, if you don't like something don't complain about it, change it. Actions do speak louder then words.

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The left gripe about the rich, then ask for money from the same people, Bernie raised 6 million dollars in 24 hours.
Hypocrite.

Absolutely! He's an even bigger hypocrite for telling everyone that Hillary Clinton was bad for America (during the primary) and then, after losing to
her, he's seen walking her down an aisle, holding her hand, saying "This is
who we want for president!"

It's like when you see a good guy in a movie turning out to be a double agent.

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Hello Greg,

Chances are the folks paying the most for the free stuff are
the ones who are working hard, paying their taxes, and trying not to
become poor.

The left gripe about the rich, then ask for money from the same people, Bernie raised 6 million dollars in 24 hours. Hypocrite.

At an average donation of $27 per person, that is a *lot* of donors!
And that was just on his first day!

I do not see why people would support someone who believes in socialism.

Everybody wants a free lunch. Don't you?

Socialism worked in Germany at one time,

It also worked in Minden, Louisiana at one time. A group
of German immigrants had settled there, and developed an economic
system that worked very well for them for many years.

but it is odd to think it would work here in the United States.

Huey P. Long's "share the wealth" program was just an idea,
not an actual program, as he was assassinated before he had
the chance to get himself elected President of the United
States.

Norman Thomas was a perrenial candidate for president who
advocated many socialist ideas that were adopted by both major
political parties. FDR adopted many of them into his New Deal
program, which remain a fabric of American society today.

FDR gave Americans social security.
LBJ gave Americans medicare and medicaid.
GWB gave Americans subsidized prescription drugs.

The state of Louisiana has a free college tuition program
known as TOPS. The state of Georgia has a similar program.
The state of Louisiana used to have a charity hospital
system, that allowed both rich and poor to receive quality
healthcare for free. This program worked well for decades,
until Louisiana governor "Bobby" Piyush Jindal gutted it
but depriving it of needed funds.

Whether on a national or state level, Americans love
socialism. So why not make everything free?

Yes, Americans love socialism. Especially their own brand
of socialism, all of it made in the USA. Isn't that neat?
No need to move to Europe, Canada, Australia, or anywhere
else. We can get everything we want at Alice's Restaurant.
Right here in the US of A.

It's almost alien to me.

Only those who fail to recognize it find it alien.

NY. (As they are vastly different from one another) However, it would no
bother me if they were removed from NY to be granted statehood.

After this post was made by me I heard about a local Republican

politician

Daphne Jordan, talking about this very issue.

See there? Even Republicans want something for nothing.

I would be upset if our Gov made a statement that made me feel unwelcome

If somebody offered you free money, wouldn't you take it?
Especially if it is your own money? Okay, better if it is
somebody else's money, but still ...

I believe in action, if you don't like something don't complain about it, change it. Actions do speak louder then words.

Taking somebody else's money is stealing. That is why paying
income taxes are voluntary. The more you give, the more you get
back. See how that works?

Problem is, Democrats were suckered. Guess who paid the most
and received the least? Blue states. It was those in Red states
who understood the game, paying the least and receiving the most.

See how smart those Republicans are? They've gamed the system.
Not only do they pay the least and receive the most, but they
also rigged the presidential election so the winneer is the one
who received the fewest votes.

Hillary Clinton should change her party affiliation and challenge
Donald Trump for the Republican nomination. That way, Bernie Sanders
will finally have his chance to win.

--Lee

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Ms. Warren advocates a 'wealth tax' - which is unConstitutional,
Congress has only the power to tax imcomes, wealth is not income
(although with the leftward bias of the courts that may change).
Basically, she wants to take money from people who earned it and give
it to people who didn't.

Once you start doing that, you start removing the incentive to work. Once people stop working, there is no one left getting wealthy and the
government can no longer pay for the freebies.

I am sure you understand that, but I am also certain you are not a
left-leaning politician. They do not seem to, or don't care.

Mike

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I do not see why people would support someone who believes in socialism. Socialism worked in Germany at one time, but it is odd to think it would work here in the United States. It's almost alien to me.

Not sure which period of history you are refering to there, but I am pretty sure it did not work for long.

I would be upset if our Gov made a statement that made me feel unwelcome

I believe in action, if you don't like something don't complain about it, change it. Actions do speak louder then words.

Like I said, good luck. Seriously. Even if you don't run for governor,
maybe you can get involved in local politics and make a difference.

Mike

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The left gripe about the rich, then ask for money from the same people, Bernie raised 6 million dollars in 24 hours.
Hypocrite.

Absolutely! He's an even bigger hypocrite for telling everyone that Hillary Clinton was bad for America (during the primary) and then,
after losing to her, he's seen walking her down an aisle, holding her hand, saying "This is who we want for president!"

The republicans did exactly the same thing. Before Trump was elected,
he was evil incarnate. Afterwards it was "what do you want us to do for
you.". That is just the way politics goes.

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The republicans did exactly the same thing. Before Trump was elected,
he was evil incarnate. Afterwards it was "what do you want us to do for you.". That is just the way politics goes.

Yes, but some of them did not kiss and make up... and apparently still
have not. He will continue to tweet them into submission, I guess.

Mike

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Hello Mike,

Ms. Warren advocates a 'wealth tax' - which is unConstitutional,
Congress has only the power to tax imcomes, wealth is not income
(although with the leftward bias of the courts that may change).
Basically, she wants to take money from people who earned it and give
it to people who didn't.

Once you start doing that, you start removing the incentive to work. Once people stop working, there is no one left getting wealthy and the government can no longer pay for the freebies.

I am sure you understand that, but I am also certain you are not a left-leaning politician. They do not seem to, or don't care.

Who says people would quit working if there is no money?
We are moving towards a cashless society. Not just the US
and Europe, but the entire world.

We pay prisoners who make license plates or whatever.
What do we give them for their work? Not money, although
that is how it is counted. The monetary pay is trivial,
nothing more than a few cents a day. It is other things
the prisoners want, and strive for. Such as more time
in the yard for play, more cigarettes to smoke or trade
with others, etc.

Islanders in Yap use giant stones for money. The bigger
the stone, the more money they have to spend. The stones
come from another island, far away. The shape of the
stones are round, like a wheel. Or rather, carved into
the shape of a wheel. Then transported by canoe to
their own island.

Star Trek uses no money. Except for Ferengi, that lovable
species with giant ears. The concept of no money needed or
wanted by advanced societies is part of Star Trek philosophy.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) will continue taking jobs
away from people. That means, at some point, the majority
of people will have nothing to do with their own time but
leisure. That point in time is getting nearer and nearer.
Perhaps within our own lifetimes.

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Hello Mike,

I do not see why people would support someone who believes in socialism.
Socialism worked in Germany at one time, but it is odd to think it would
work
here in the United States. It's almost alien to me.

Not sure which period of history you are refering to there, but I am

pretty

sure it did not work for long.

FDR closed all the banks on his first day in office,
one third of them forever, thus saving this country
from permanent bankruptcy.
FDR gave us social security in 1935.
We still have it today.
FDR also gave us the federally mandated minimum wage.
We still have it today.
LBJ gave us medicare and medicaid in 1965.
We still have it today.
GWB gave us medicare part D - subsidized prescription drugs.
We still have it today.
Barack Obama bailed out banks and automobile companies.
We still have them today.

I would be upset if our Gov made a statement that made me feel

unwelcome

I believe in action, if you don't like something don't complain about it,
change it. Actions do speak louder then words.

Like I said, good luck. Seriously. Even if you don't run for governor, maybe you can get involved in local politics and make a difference.

"All politics is local." ~Tip O'Neil

But why think small, when one can go big, like Trump?

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That means, at some point, the majority
of people will have nothing to do with their own time but
leisure. That point in time is getting nearer and nearer.
Perhaps within our own lifetimes.

I think you have reached that point already.

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Who says people would quit working if there is no money?
We are moving towards a cashless society. Not just the US
and Europe, but the entire world.

And you will pay for your food and shelter how?

This isn't prison, where the taxpayers pay that for you. Someone has to
pay for things or there is no motivation to create them. Don't pay the farmers? They won't farm for anyone but themselves. Don't pay the
corporation that made the smart phone you are using? No smartphones.

Sorry, even the most hardened socialists/communists in the US today are
going to do without their smart phones and social networking.

Mike

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Hello Ward,

That means, at some point, the majority
of people will have nothing to do with their own time but
leisure. That point in time is getting nearer and nearer.
Perhaps within our own lifetimes.

I think you have reached that point already.

There still is room for improvement.
Such as enacting medicare for all, thus scrapping
the healthcare for profit model that has been in
place since forever. Just imagine what that would
mean, with nobody ever having to pay for healthcare
insurance ever again. Or for prescription drugs.
Or for doctor visits. Or for sessions with a shrink.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Who says people would quit working if there is no money?
We are moving towards a cashless society. Not just the US
and Europe, but the entire world.

And you will pay for your food and shelter how?

Food banks. Just pick up whatever you need whenever.
Find cardboard box. Set up home on city sidewalk.
Don't forget to pack can opener for use when needed.

This isn't prison, where the taxpayers pay that for you. Someone has to pay for things or there is no motivation to create them. Don't pay the farmers? They won't farm for anyone but themselves. Don't pay the corporation that made the smart phone you are using? No smartphones.

Artificial intelligence (robots) will be doing all the work for us.
This will give everybody more leisure time to do what they want.
Think about it. What is the purpose of work, but to allow us more
time to do as we want? Certainly much better for us if others do
the work for us, right? Especially if they do so without pay.

Let's suppose the state pays all tuition for those who wish
to further their education. The more education a person has,
the better-paying job they get. That means more taxes for
the individual to pay, which is many times over what the state
has paid for tuition.

Same thing for healthcare. A healthy workforce is better able
to do the jobs needed to improve the economy than a sick workforce.
So providing free healthcare is a winner for all.

The way our economy is set up today, only the very wealthy benefit.
Everybody else suffers. Much better to share the wealth so that
everybody benefits rather than just a select few.

Sorry, even the most hardened socialists/communists in the US today are going to do without their smart phones and social networking.

Politicians in the US are promoting different flavors of feudalism,
not capitalism, socialism, or communism. And it not just those in
the US, but also those in Europe, Russia, Australia, and elsewhere.

The Star Trek world is fiction. But so is the Ferengi world.
What we need is a New World Order, based on freedom for everybody.

--Lee

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On 02-21-19, MIKE POWELL said to BOB ACKLEY:

Ms. Warren advocates a 'wealth tax' - which is unConstitutional,
Congress has only the power to tax imcomes, wealth is not income
(although with the leftward bias of the courts that may change).
Basically, she wants to take money from people who earned it and give
it to people who didn't.

Once you start doing that, you start removing the incentive to work. Once MP>people stop working, there is no one left getting wealthy and the MP>government can no longer pay for the freebies.

I am sure you understand that, but I am also certain you are not a MP>left-leaning politician. They do not seem to, or don't care.

You could make a very long list of those who touted `free healthcare', `free education', `free money even to those who don't work', etc etc....but they all have one thing in common; they almost never tell their audience that all this `free' stuff has to be paid for somehow. They point to `the rich' as the
source of all this largess. `Make the rich pay their fair share'!


But, how much is `fair'? And there are only just so many `rich' people to
get money from. At some point money has to come from some other source besides `the rich'.


Which leaves ordinary working taxpayers. And much of the `free' stuff will
have to be paid by higher and higher taxes.


It won't be long before we'll be like a lot of past socialist countries;
people will go to jobs and `pretend to work'....and employers will `pretend to pay them'. Instead of walking into a food store and having a huge variety of breads to choose from at a decent price....people will have to stand in line for the chance to buy a single loaf or two of stale, partly moldy bread.
Dairy products will be scarce for ordinary people (not for `party' officials, of course, only the peons).





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On 02-21-19, MIKE POWELL said to BOB ACKLEY:

Ms. Warren advocates a 'wealth tax' - which is unConstitutional,
Congress has only the power to tax imcomes, wealth is not income
(although with the leftward bias of the courts that may change).
Basically, she wants to take money from people who earned it and give
it to people who didn't.

Once you start doing that, you start removing the incentive to work.

Once

people stop working, there is no one left getting wealthy and the MP>government can no longer pay for the freebies.

I am sure you understand that, but I am also certain you are not a MP>left-leaning politician. They do not seem to, or don't care.

I think Mike is correct. I remember 65 years ago my parents were
complaining about the multiple generations of some families that were
living on California's fairly generous welfare system (in those days each
state had its own system and rules). In the late 1950s people were
moving to California to get on that gravy train, so the state passed a
law that one had to be a resident for one year before one would qualify
for welfare - somebody sued in federal court and a corrupt federal judge
ruled that the state couldn't deny welfare to anybody who asked for it.
Then the feds started passing laws about who should get welfare and how
much was supposed to be provided - basically standardizing the state
welfare systems (and making the states pay for it).

You could make a very long list of those who touted `free healthcare',

`free

education', `free money even to those who don't work', etc etc....but

they all

have one thing in common; they almost never tell their audience that

all this

`free' stuff has to be paid for somehow. They point to `the rich' as the source of all this largess. `Make the rich pay their fair share'!

The "rich" can move their wealth out of the government's reach; they can
move themselves out of the government's reach, too, and give Uncle Sugar
the finger.

I think you're aware that the People's Republic of California has had a
net out-migration of people for the past several years - this despite the thousands that are coming across the border from Mexico. Apparently the
people who still have money would like to keep some of it so they're
leaving.

But, how much is `fair'? And there are only just so many `rich' people to
get money from. At some point money has to come from some other source

besides

`the rich'.

"Fair" is a purely subjective concept and has no place in government.
What's fair to one group is manifestly unfair to another group.

Which leaves ordinary working taxpayers. And much of the `free' stuff will have to be paid by higher and higher taxes.

It won't be long before we'll be like a lot of past socialist countries; people will go to jobs and `pretend to work'....and employers will

`pretend to

pay them'. Instead of walking into a food store and having a huge

variety of

breads to choose from at a decent price....people will have to stand in

line

for the chance to buy a single loaf or two of stale, partly moldy bread. Dairy products will be scarce for ordinary people (not for `party'

officials,

of course, only the peons).

A couple of thousand years ago somebody commented that democracy is over
when people discover they can vote themselves benefits from the government
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