Dale Shipp wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Give us a direct quote for that. What I read is that he did not
recommend the general public obtaining masks in the beginning out of concerns of them hoarding the type of masks critically needed as PPE by frontline medical people.
People don't always say what they want to directly, Dale. You should know this from your previous employer. Fauci admitted to lying without being direct to save his own ass.
He has said that a mask was ineffective against COVID-19 ... which he was later proven to be right (see second article in this message).
Here is a very good explanation of this mess from a fantastically liberal organization (if I'd gotten the article from a right-wing site, you'd never believed me).
So here's some enlightening reading about how Fauci lied by omission (I know that's a foreign concept to liberals, but you'll come around).
I've spent some time making sure links were kept in these articles for your further research.
From:
https://tinyurl.com/y8lm65ek
===
Dr. Fauci Made the Coronavirus Pandemic Worse by Lying About Masks
Dr. Anthony Fauci has been hailed as a hero during the coronavirus
pandemic, delivering thoughtful health advice while most members of the
Trump regime have spread misinformation about covid-19. But there's one
area where Fauci let America down, hindering the public health response
and giving the U.S. both the highest coronavirus case count and the worst
recorded death toll in the world. Simply put, Fauci lied about whether
masks were helpful in slowing the spread of the virus.
Fauci was asked yesterday by financial news outlet [66]The Street why the
U.S. government didn't promote masks early on during the pandemic. Fauci,
who sits on the Trump regime's [67]zombie-like coronavirus task force,
hinted that he knew masks worked, he just wanted any available masks to be
saved for health care workers.
"Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health
community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at
a time when personal protective equipment, including the N-95 masks and
the surgical masks, were in very short supply," Fauci said. "And we wanted
to make sure that the people, namely the health care workers, who were
brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who
you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting
infected."
Fauci didn't just fail to promote masks early on, he actively discouraged
the use of masks, saying they didn't work. Americans are now paying the
price because too many people think masks are useless to combat the
coronavirus. In reality, masks have been shown to help prevent the spread
of covid-19, as the CDC now [68]admits.
All we need to do is look at the things that Fauci was saying back in
February-a time before most Americans were taking the threat of covid-19
seriously and people like Donald Trump were assuming it was just a problem
for the Chinese government.
"There is no reason for anyone right now in the United States, with regard
to coronavirus, to wear a mask," Fauci told Spectrum News DC on
[73]February 14.
It was something that Fauci would say repeatedly whenever he gave
interviews in February, as the pandemic spread to countries like Germany,
Italy, South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan. And Fauci may not have known it
yet, but coronavirus was also spreading quickly in the U.S. By the end of
February, over [74]20 countries had identified the coronavirus within
their borders.
Despite being remembered as level-headed during the early days of the
crisis in the U.S., Fauci was incredibly slow to publicly recognize the
threat from coronavirus. On [75]February 17, he recalled stories of people
asking whether it was safe to travel, ridiculing the idea that it might
not be wise to get on a plane. But it was clear to anyone paying attention
to news media outside of the U.S. that the coronavirus would soon be an
international problem.
First, a quick lesson in recent history: Human-to-human transmission of
the novel coronavirus was confirmed on January 21, Chinese leader Xi
Jinping said publicly that the health crisis from coronavirus "must be
taken seriously," on [76]January 21, over 20 million people in China were
put into lockdown on January 23, Disneyland locations in Hong Kong and
Shanghai both closed in the last week of January, and countries like
Australia were already setting up quarantine for some travelers in the
first week of February. High school teachers returning to Australia from
China were even giving classes by Zoom in early February, as Gizmodo
reported [77]at the time.
By mid-February, the pandemic in Italy had gotten so bad that hospitals
were becoming overwhelmed and case counts were [78]rising exponentially.
The Lombardy region of Italy went into lockdown and on [79]February 23
grocery store shelves were stripped bare as people purchased food in a
panic.
With all of this going on around the world, February 17 was an incredibly
late date to be making fun of people who were concerned about travel. But
that's precisely what Fauci did in the pages of USA Today.
"I was getting calls from people in Sacramento saying, `Can I get on an
airplane to go to Seattle?'" Fauci told USA Today on [80]February 17.
"Like, what? What does that got to do with anything?"
We now know that the first identified American death from covid-19 was on
[81]February 6 in San Jose, California. And because the CDC wasted the
entire month of February with [82]faulty tests, no one knows just how
widespread the disease already was in the U.S. during the first weeks of
February. And it wasn't just in February that Fauci dismissed the threat.
As late as March, Fauci was still insisting that masks were bad for public
health.
"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," Fauci told 60
Minutes on CBS during an interview that aired [83]March 8. "When you're in
the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little
bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the
perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are
unintended consequences-people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep
touching their face."
It's no surprise that anti-mask advocates often use Fauci's interview with
60 Minutes when they [84]try to discredit masks as an effective tool on
social media. And platforms like Facebook and Twitter are still filled
with people who insist that you can actually hurt yourself by wearing a
mask because you're forced to inhale carbon dioxide. It's a dumb and
inaccurate argument, but it's [85]surprisingly common.
Masks were the butt of jokes in early March, as people like Republican
Rep. Matt Gaetz infamously [86]wore a gas mask on the House floor while he
went to vote on the $8.3 billion emergency spending bill passed on March
4. Gaetz and other Republicans appeared on Fox News to insist that it was
all nothing but hype, something that some commentators like [87]Laura
Ingraham still claim, despite the fact that tens of thousands of Americans
are still contracting the virus every single day.
Other western countries like the UK were also initially skeptical of
masks, leading to a terrible outbreak in England, exacerbated by a
[89]bungled response from Prime Minister Boris Johnson, a man who
[90]eventually survived his own bout with covid-19 after being moved to
the ICU and given oxygen. The BBC, Britain's public broadcaster, even
aired anti-mask segments that insisted facemasks did nothing to stop the
spread of coronavirus, including this one from March 22 that's still
available on [91]YouTube.
The UK currently has over 298,000 cases and at least 41,000 deaths, the
fourth worst outbreak in the world. The U.S. has over 2.1 million cases
and more than 116,000 deaths, with no signs of the pandemic slowing down.
What would have happened if Fauci had been honest with Americans back in
February, leveling with people that the U.S. didn't have a good supply of
facial coverings for health workers and that any N-95 masks should be
reserved for doctors and nurses? Fauci could have explained that while
masks worked, they needed to be reserved for health care professionals.
The government was seizing most of the masks while they were shipped
anyway, so it's not like most masks were finding their way to stores.
Instead, Fauci and other top government officials made fun of people who
wanted to wear a mask. U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams even told people
on February 29 to stop buying masks because they don't work.
"Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!" Adams [92]tweeted. "They are NOT
effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if
healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts
them and our communities at risk!"
And, as a result, there was mass confusion when the government finally
flipped and started to recommend masks for everyone, even if they had to
make them at home. The CDC didn't change its guidance on mask use until
April 3, finally recommending that people wear masks, even if they're
homemade out of cloth.
Fauci's refusal to embrace masks has had a real impact on the way that
Americans perceive the coronavirus fight. And, like everything today, even
masks have become a partisan battleground. Roughly 70% of Democrats say
they wear a mask "every time" they leave the house, according to a poll
late last month by the [94]Kaiser Family Foundation. Compare that with
just 37% of Republicans.
There have been subtle differences in the ways that each country has
fought the coronavirus pandemic. New Zealand closed its borders and
implemented a system to test residents. Kiwis then scaled up its track and
trace program to identify close contacts, isolating them so that they
didn't get others sick. Taiwan also implemented track and trace
procedures, but it put a special emphasis on masks to control community
spread. Hong Kong put a heavy emphasis on "[95]universal masking" as well,
which is credited with keeping the spread of covid-19 to a minimum.
Health officials in China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan even tried to warn
western countries that they needed to wear masks, and it's not the fault
of the American people that they didn't listen. Americans were hearing
from their own health experts, not watching international news.
"If you are going to a crowded place, put on a mask even if you are not
ill because others may be, even if they have cough etiquette or sneeze
etiquette, they may still get in touch with you," Dr. Gabriel Leung, an
expert on SARS and Director of the WHO Collaborating Center for Infectious
Disease Epidemiology and Control, said at a press conference in Hong Kong
on [96]January 21, as Gizmodo reported at the time.
But America's own health officials, people like Anthony Fauci, were
telling Americans that masks were useless. And Americans are going to pay
the price in the months and years ahead, as there's no guarantee that a
covid-19 vaccine will even work if it's developed. It doesn't matter if
his heart was in the right place in some effort to save masks for doctors
and nurses, Fauci did real harm to public health in the United States.
When all is said and done, Fauci might be remembered as a folk hero, but
he sure has a lot of blood on his hands. And none of this is anywhere
close to done.
66.
https://www.thestreet.com/video/dr-fauci-masks-changing-directive-coronavirus 67.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/white-house-coronavirus-task-force/index.html
68.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html#:~:text=In%20light%20of%20this%20new,community%2Dbased%20transmission.
73.
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/02/15/disease-expert--flu-a-bigger-risk-in-the-us-than-coronavirus
74.
https://gizmodo.com/20-countries-report-first-cases-of-coronavirus-this-wee-1841949283
75.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
76.
https://thediplomat.com/2020/01/xi-jinping-warns-that-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-must-be-taken-seriously/
77.
https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/high-school-teacher-holds-class-by-videochat-while-in-c-1841487379
78.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171217/coronavirus-covid-19-italy-hospitals 79.
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1231666919343710208
80.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
81.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11816135/how-the-nations-first-covid-19-death-went-undetected-in-san-jose
82.
https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
83.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab5j&linkId=84037176&fbclid=IwAR2beT5z3n7w1fBcI87i33fBaC5GJ4js32Sy5_K6TnFYou2LgaCegdpypXo
84.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/outdated-fauci-video-on-face-masks-shared-out-of-context/
85.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/19/facebook-posts/theres-no-evidence-wearing-standard-masks-harmful-/
86.
https://gizmodo.com/remember-this-photo-1842113350
87.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTGEWbd4y8
88.
https://gizmodo.com/ajax/inset/iframe?id=youtube-video-pfTGEWbd4y8&start=0 89.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-herd-immunity-uk-boris-johnson/608065/
90.
https://gizmodo.com/boris-johnson-moved-to-icu-and-given-oxygen-after-coron-1842719881
91.
https://youtu.be/qNkjJHliMZo
92.
https://twitter.com/surgeon_general/status/1233725785283932160?lang=en
94.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/report/kff-health-tracking-poll-may-2020/
95.
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1241701034004627458
96.
https://gizmodo.com/new-virus-kills-sixth-person-after-human-to-human-trans-1841125936
===
OTOH -- Trump is active in discouraging people from wearing masks and
from exercising social distance measures. He sets the example for that
by his actions.
Considering that masks are ineffective and social distancing really needs to be 30+ feet outdoors; it's completely ineffective indoors because of well, being indoors. He is setting an example of being realistic. You do realize that the only people who are really dropping dead of the virus are people like you and me: older people with underlying conditions.
You do know that the WHO is now saying that masks are ineffective against COVID-19?
From:
https://tinyurl.com/y9oxlfrx (infectioncontroltoday.com):
===
Surgical, Cotton Masks Equally Ineffective in Blocking COVID-19 Spread, Say
Investigators
* Frank Diamond
April 7, 2020
Surgical and cotton masks are both ineffective when it comes to blocking
droplets of the virus SARS-CoV-2 that may be generated when somebody
coughs, according to investigators with the Ulsan College of Medicine,
Seoul, South Korea. Their [27]research letter, published yesterday in
the Annals of Internal Medicine, compared the 2 types of masks. Four
patients coughed 5 times each into a petri dish while wearing no mask.
They then coughed 5 times wearing a surgical mask, a cotton mask, and
then, again, wearing no mask. The study, conducted at 2 hospitals in
Seoul, found that when patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets
of SARS-CoV-2 were released into the environment.
"The median viral loads after coughs without a mask, with a surgical mask,
and with a cotton mask were 2.56 log copies/mL, 2.42 log copies/mL, and
1.85 log copies/mL, respectively," the research letter states. "All swabs
from the outer mask surfaces of the masks were positive for SARS-CoV-2,
whereas most swabs from the inner mask surfaces were negative."
The study did not include the N95 masks, which are in short supply these
days and which infection preventionists and other healthcare
workers [28]desperately need on the frontlines of the battle against
COVID-19.
The masks were swabbed with Dacron swabs; the outer and inner surfaces of
both the surgical and cotton masks. The researchers found SARS COV-2 on
all surfaces.
The results come after the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) recently said that people should wear [29]cloth masks in public to
help contain the spread of the disease from asymptomatic carriers. The CDC
thinks that the masks will help in situations where social
distancing-staying at least 6 feet apart-is difficult to do; settings such
as grocery stores and pharmacies. This represents a change in policy,
where the CDC, as well as [30]the World Health Organization (WHO), said
that masks are not necessary for people who are not exhibiting symptoms.
"If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care
of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection," the WHO still says on its
website.
The research letter investigators found greater contamination on the outer
surface of the face masks than on the inner surfaces.
"Although it is possible that virus particles may cross from the inner to
the outer surface because of the physical pressure of swabbing, we swabbed
the outer surface before the inner surface," the research letter states.
"The consistent finding of virus on the outer mask surface is unlikely to
have been caused by experimental error or artifact."
It's possible that the aerodynamic properties of the masks may account for
this. "A turbulent jet due to air leakage around the mask edge could
contaminate the outer surface," the research letter states.
"Alternatively, the small aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 generated during a
high-velocity cough might penetrate the masks."
However, the investigators say that this hypothesis works only if the
coughing patient didn't exhale large-sized SARS-CoV-2 particles. They'd be
trapped in the inner mask even with a high-velocity cough.
"These observations support the importance of hand hygiene after touching
the outer surface of masks," investigators conclude.
27.
https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison#.Xot-MbRataU.twitter
28.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/mask-respirators/expect-huge-surge-demand-personal-protective-equipment-covid-19-hotspots
29.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
30.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
===
Oh, let's not forget that the "six foot" social distancing thing is a load of hot steaming crap also...
From:
https://tinyurl.com/y85fhppy (mdlinx.com)
===
Surgical, Cotton Masks Equally Ineffective in Blocking COVID-19 Spread, Say
Investigators
* Frank Diamond
April 7, 2020
Surgical and cotton masks are both ineffective when it comes to blocking
droplets of the virus SARS-CoV-2 that may be generated when somebody
coughs, according to investigators with the Ulsan College of Medicine,
Seoul, South Korea. Their [27]research letter, published yesterday in
the Annals of Internal Medicine, compared the 2 types of masks. Four
patients coughed 5 times each into a petri dish while wearing no mask.
They then coughed 5 times wearing a surgical mask, a cotton mask, and
then, again, wearing no mask. The study, conducted at 2 hospitals in
Seoul, found that when patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets
of SARS-CoV-2 were released into the environment.
"The median viral loads after coughs without a mask, with a surgical mask,
and with a cotton mask were 2.56 log copies/mL, 2.42 log copies/mL, and
1.85 log copies/mL, respectively," the research letter states. "All swabs
from the outer mask surfaces of the masks were positive for SARS-CoV-2,
whereas most swabs from the inner mask surfaces were negative."
The study did not include the N95 masks, which are in short supply these
days and which infection preventionists and other healthcare
workers [28]desperately need on the frontlines of the battle against
COVID-19.
The masks were swabbed with Dacron swabs; the outer and inner surfaces of
both the surgical and cotton masks. The researchers found SARS COV-2 on
all surfaces.
The results come after the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) recently said that people should wear [29]cloth masks in public to
help contain the spread of the disease from asymptomatic carriers. The CDC
thinks that the masks will help in situations where social
distancing-staying at least 6 feet apart-is difficult to do; settings such
as grocery stores and pharmacies. This represents a change in policy,
where the CDC, as well as [30]the World Health Organization (WHO), said
that masks are not necessary for people who are not exhibiting symptoms.
"If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care
of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection," the WHO still says on its
website.
The research letter investigators found greater contamination on the outer
surface of the face masks than on the inner surfaces.
"Although it is possible that virus particles may cross from the inner to
the outer surface because of the physical pressure of swabbing, we swabbed
the outer surface before the inner surface," the research letter states.
"The consistent finding of virus on the outer mask surface is unlikely to
have been caused by experimental error or artifact."
It's possible that the aerodynamic properties of the masks may account for
this. "A turbulent jet due to air leakage around the mask edge could
contaminate the outer surface," the research letter states.
"Alternatively, the small aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 generated during a
high-velocity cough might penetrate the masks."
However, the investigators say that this hypothesis works only if the
coughing patient didn't exhale large-sized SARS-CoV-2 particles. They'd be
trapped in the inner mask even with a high-velocity cough.
"These observations support the importance of hand hygiene after touching
the outer surface of masks," investigators conclude.
27.
https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison#.Xot-MbRataU.twitter
28.
https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/mask-respirators/expect-huge-surge-demand-personal-protective-equipment-covid-19-hotspots
29.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
30.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
===
So now that the truth has come out, you're still going to say Trump is a liar, et al. just because he's Trump.
I expect that. It's okay.
You can lead a man to intelligence but you can't make him think.
True -- I do not trust anything Trump says for that very reason.
Spoken like a true liberal. When presented with facts, go hiding into your corner.
Trump only listens to Fox News and his own gut.
Trump doesn't like Fox News, so not sure where you got that from. Much like how you get your news from only reliably unreliable places like CNN, MSNBC, et cetera.
I'm not trying to get you to suddenly become Republican here but I am trying to tell you that you seem to be blissfully aware of some critical facts here.
Later,
Sean
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