Lots of people are eager to "fix racism" by calling for the removal of Confederate statues..
Thankfully there are not many signatures but he's still whining about it.
The petition was started by a white liberal with zero black heritage shortly after the BLM protests here, after our police chief and PM took
a knee to surrender.
As of now, there's no law against people being racist, but there ought to b a law against the media using color words (black, white, asian) when describing crimes. That would be a major improvement to society.
Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-
Lots of people are eager to "fix racism" by calling for the removal of Confederate statues..
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the
Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
The petition was started by a white liberal with zero black heritage shortly after the BLM protests here, after our police chief and PM took a knee to surrender.
We can remove all the offensive statues in the world, rename all the streets, and rebrand all the pancake syrup, but we can't remove racism. It's just not going anywhere.
We should reform the media instead of reforming the police. The media turned a simple homicide case into a racial war, and they continue to add fuel to the fire by exposing every police involved shooting involving white cops & black suspects.
As of now, there's no law against people being racist, but there ought to be a law against the media using color words (black, white, asian) when describing crimes. That would be a major improvement to society.
"Minnesota cop kills unarmed suspect" sounds more accurate than "Presumably racist white cop murders absolutely not racist unarmed black man."
I don't think the chief or the PM surrendered, they acknowledged that racis is a problem in Canada.
Unfortunately that would be censorship which I disagree with. But I'm a
is very sad to hear the opinions of a parent whose world-view is that which comes from TV "news".
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
The media simply reported it. They didn't commit the murder or start the protests that seem to come and go.
The media needs to report the facts as they are.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
Lots of people are eager to "fix racism" by calling for the removal of Confederate statues..
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the
Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
to think negatively, but I unfortunately I think they feel so threatened by Trump's popularity that they're willing to do anything to try to get him to lose his election, including burning down Target stores, children's playgrounds, and being cold about all the deaths resulting from the chaos.
My mom was impressionable by news. I always tried to set her straight on stuff, especially when she wanted Hillary for president.
I don't think the chief or the PM surrendered, they acknowledged that racis >> is a problem in Canada.
The act of kneeling in this case is either for praying to God or to surrender ones will to some form of a higher authority. Period.
For both of them to kneel was an absolute slap in the face to our law enforcement and actually a backhanded racial insult to black people for perpetuating the victim-mentality that somehow they are being "oppressed" for being black. As in, you are black, therefore you are somehow damaged goods.
If Canada had such a racism problem, immigrants would have a hell of a time finding work, housing, jobs, etc. Your life is what you make it. If you are determined to live a successful life, chances are you will. If you are
determined to sit around playing the role of the victim, chances are you will.
Immigrants and black people in Canada who refuse to play the victim-game
but instead choose to work hard, study hard, assimulate, obey our laws and have a good family base will almost always be VERY successful, in some cases more successful and well-off than those who were born here.
The BLM movement does not give two flying shits about black-on-black violence,
poverty, single-mother households, slums and ghettos, etc. The BLM is almost always associated with antifa and Chaz/Chop. Take a look at the BLM website. Defund the police, tear apart the "nuclear family". Who wrote that BS?
Look at it this way: NASCAR is no longer allowed to fly the Democrat party's flag.
The media simply reported it. They didn't commit the murder or start the
protests that seem to come and go.
I hope you're right about that, but I have a strong suspicion that all the destruction in the USA is being sponsored by the Democrat party.
I don't like to think negatively, but I unfortunately I think they feel
so threatened by Trump's popularity that they're willing to do anything to try to get him to lose his election, including burning down Target stores, children's playgrounds, and being cold about all the deaths resulting from the chaos.
The problem is that facts are corruptible. Look at all the "racial" news resulting from the killing in Minnesota; what's that doing there? There's no racism; just a psycho cop who killed a suspect. The cop never did anything racist, but the "fact" according to the media is that "a white cop killed a black man."
Trump tries to ban migration to the USA from Saudia Arabia, but the headline reads "Racist Trump bans migration from Saudia Arabia out of hatred for Muslims." <- They dabble in the art of fact-meddling.
I fear they will do far, far worse than this if (when) Trump is re-elected, especially if its by a landslide.
enemy. They are different parties with different platforms and they both want to form government and do the best they can for the USA. The people
Trump doesn't have the support of the people today to win an election
The photo op at the church across from the white house seemed to be a turning point in Trump's support by the people of the USA. Even before
I don't know what Chauvin's motivation was. It may not have been racial
at all but this is not an isolated incident, it is just recent.
In the past, I always gave Democrats the benefit of the doubt. It would be mind-blowing to think that they only seek to advance their own political careers, support human & drug trafficking, or make unfair trade deals for personal gain. But now I see through them.
Trump doesn't have the support of the people today to win an election
There are polls conducted by various sources, and a recent poll reported by CNN said something like 60% supported Biden & 40% supported Trump. But who are they polling? I'm a registered voter, and I have not been invited to participate in any poll. I think they're polling CNN viewers, and if 40% of CNN viewers are in favor of Trump, then this looks great for Trump.
I don't think any conservatives are concerned with the photo-op issue. I forgot about it until you mentioned it. I've seen Trump make bigger mistakes then that, and I still support him whole heartedly.
Thank you! There's nothing obviously racial about the incident, but as you probably have noticed, everything in the world is all about "race" all of a sudden.
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We should reform the media instead of reforming the police. The media turned a simple homicide case into a racial war, and they continue to
add fuel to the fire by exposing every police involved shooting
involving white cops & black suspects.
Somewhere in the USA, there is a black cop who just shot a white
suspect to death (probably justified too) but the media doesn't want whites to score any points in racial war game that they created,
because that would end it.
"Minnesota cop kills unarmed suspect" sounds more accurate than "Presumably racist white cop murders absolutely not racist unarmed
black man."
It's unfortunate these guys are politicians. We have those here too.
Would you want them to just hide the facts?
Someone would have reported it -- find the report and tell us all about
it if you can.
Perhaps that is why they do not use your alternate version. They simply showed the video where everone could see what happened in black and
white.
Racism is a human problem. It exists in all our provinces, territories, cit and governments. Even immigrants bring with them their own racism. It's a problem that we all need to work on.
I imagine the BLM movement was started because "something" needed to be don I have thought from time to time that racism is a problem in Canada althoug still don't know what the solution is. We don't have a large black populati
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the Confederate
political party - the Democratic party?
Yes.
Look at it this way: NASCAR is no longer allowed to fly the Democrat
party's
flag.
That is a right wing flag being flown at rallies that were supporing Trump.
My mom was impressionable by news. I always tried to set her straight on
stuff, especially when she wanted Hillary for president.
Dare I say I have it far worse from mine - "God, look at all of those stupid
Americans" and "Trump is an F'ing idiot". There is no way to even begin having a rational logical discussion with someone who already has their mind
made up from endless devotion to CTV News.
But before Covid, it was perfectly fine for her to take several trips to Arizona and Hawaii and other places for some R&R... maybe its just a case of
do as I say not as I do. She wouldn't dare trot the "stupid American" shtick.
When conservative Doug Ford was elected, CTV really hyped the "brother of Rob
Ford the crack addict" angle, and when he won, they were somewhat relentless
in trying to find faults and scandal. Its weird that they suddenly gave him
a pass during the Covid crisis. Suddenly he's portrayed as Mister Wonderful.
And sure enough, my parental unit started singing praise for him...
Oh, come now. Do give CNN credit, as Americans are saying the same
thing as your mom. Along with some who are dreamers. And others who
are from only god knows where.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the Confedera
political party - the Democratic party?
Yes.
Wow. And be a one-party state.
It's unfortunate these guys are politicians. We have those here too.
Watch out for lunatics who will try to take away your right to put crime suspects in jail. It's the worst thing I've seen liberals do so far, assuming
they didn't invent the coronavirus in an attempt to kill the economy.
The BLM movement does not give two flying shits about black-on-black violence, >poverty, single-mother households, slums and ghettos, etc. The BLM is almost >always associated with antifa and Chaz/Chop. Take a look at the BLM website. >Defund the police, tear apart the "nuclear family". Who wrote that BS?
is very sad to hear the opinions of a parent whose world-view is that which comes from TV "news".
My mom was impressionable by news. I always tried to set her straight on stuff, especially when she wanted Hillary for president.
I fear they will do far, far worse than this if (when) Trump is re-elected, especially if its by a landslide.
The BLM movement has not asked or expected anyone to give up their authority.
Look at it this way: NASCAR is no longer allowed to fly the Democrat party's
flag.
That is a right wing flag being flown at rallies that were supporing Trump.
Wow. And be a one-party state.
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Would you want them to just hide the facts?
The media telling us that Chauvin was white & that Floyd was black is irrelevant to the story. It's like saying "Raiders fan kills Giants
fan."
But since that's not the case, it's just another case of liberal news pushing racial buttons and setting the USA back by about 60 years.
Someone would have reported it -- find the report and tell us all about
it if you can.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine- damond/
In this report, they're saying "activists shift focus towards police brutality." Why would they shift the focus like that? I'm here trying
to sell anti-racism t-shirts!
Perhaps that is why they do not use your alternate version. They simply showed the video where everone could see what happened in black and
white.
What could everyone see? Racial slurs? Stereotype jokes? I don't see
any of that. Just a police officer being careless with a suspect's
health & safety. Not racism.
Racism is a human problem. It exists in all our provinces, territories, cit >> and governments. Even immigrants bring with them their own racism. It's a
problem that we all need to work on.
Work on it *how* exactly? Why do *I* need to work on something *I* am not directly responsible for?
I work hard, support my family, pay my taxes, obey the law, give respect when respect is earned. Isn't that enough?
I imagine the BLM movement was started because "something" needed to be don >> I have thought from time to time that racism is a problem in Canada althoug >> still don't know what the solution is. We don't have a large black populati
The huge difference between BLM and the civil-rights protests of years ago is that BLM does not have a clear-cut end goal or result; just raw emotion and rage at undefined injustices.
BLM condones violence, censorship, anti-capitalism,
sits quietly by as American monuments are torn down,
Antifa runs wild, etc.
At no time has BLM ever focused on the racism of the media as Aaron pointed out or addressing the issues which I mentioned before about poverty and the breakdown of the family unit caused by liberal government policies.
So when our PM and Toronto police chief take a knee, its surrendering to the BLM narrative and agreeing with them.
The BLM movement has not asked or expected anyone to give up their authority.
Some people have attempting to put a "smarter" definition around
"defunding" but, to the people who are adament about it, they really do
mean defund and disolve.
What do you think the end result of defunding a police department would be?
I am pretty certain it does not involve any person or group currently in authority staying in authority.
That is a right wing flag being flown at rallies that were supporing Trump.
Historically speaking, it is more their flag than anyone elses.
In the "border states" (I live in one), the Democrats were the party of pro-slavery and, later, pro-segregation. The Republicans were the anti-slavery, pro-Union, desegregation party.
Most all of the segregation and Jim Crow laws that followed Republican attempt
at doing otherwise were supported by Democrats. In the 1960's, the
Democrats changed their tune and started supporting things like the Civil Rights movement, but also a lot of programs designed to continue to keep minorities in their place and dependent on the government.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Look at it this way: NASCAR is no longer allowed to fly the Democrat party's flag.
Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Do some history research.
Alan Ianson wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I don't think police should be working in areas like homelessness or mental health. If for whatever reason they are, then they need the resources and funding they need to do that.
Nick Andre wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
government policies. So when our PM and Toronto police chief take a
knee, its surrendering to the BLM narrative and agreeing with them.
Police and White Man bad.
the south, sentimental home of NASCAR, was all for Trump. I'd love to
hear more about the connections between the modern democratic party
and the Confederacy.
A one-party state with the ugliest part of it's history erased; just like a Thomas Jefferson statue coming down.
The media telling us that Chauvin was white & that Floyd was black is irrelevant to the story. It's like saying "Raiders fan kills Giants fan."
It is not irrelevant when it is part of a systemic pattern.
The BLM movement does not give two flying shits about black-on-black viole >poverty, single-mother households, slums and ghettos, etc. The BLM is almo >always associated with antifa and Chaz/Chop. Take a look at the BLM websit >Defund the police, tear apart the "nuclear family". Who wrote that BS?
Society's efforts to tear apart the "nuclear family" have done more damage minorities, and others, in the US than dumbass Billy Bob and his confederate flag have.
I fear they will do far, far worse than this if (when) Trump is re-elected, especially if its by a landslide.
I am not certain that a Republican can win by a landslide any more. They don't promise enough free stuff.
I'm not qualified to tell you what you need to fix and I don't know you wel enough to make any kind of judgement at all.
I think the injustice has been identified. The disproportionate number of black people being mistreated by police, and even killed.
Ok, because there's more!
Democrats support illegal immigration.
"Illegal Guatemalan woman rescued by ICE after working in captivity for 20 years."
https://abc7chicago.com/cicero-woman-hostages-concepcion-malinek-guatemala/522
A one-party state with the ugliest part of it's history erased; just lik Thomas Jefferson statue coming down.
IIRC, the "Democratic" party Jefferson formed has more in common with the Republican party of today.
Democrats support illegal immigration.
At first glance that looks like fake news.
Nothing to debate or learn from here either.
https://abc7chicago.com/cicero-woman-hostages-concepcion-malinek-guatemal
I'll take a look at that and see if I can figure out what you mean.
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The media telling us that Chauvin was white & that Floyd was black is irrelevant to the story. It's like saying "Raiders fan kills Giants fan."
It is not irrelevant when it is part of a systemic pattern.
Statisically, Whites are more likely to be killed by cops than Blacks.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to call for the removal of the
Confederate political party - the Democratic party?
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Look at it this way: NASCAR is no longer allowed to fly the Democrat
party's flag.
Reality can be so... restricting. Looking at the 2016 electoral map,
the south, sentimental home of NASCAR, was all for Trump. I'd love to
hear more about the connections between the modern democratic party
and the Confederacy.
I fear they will do far, far worse than this if (when) Trump is re-elected,
especially if its by a landslide.
I am not certain that a Republican can win by a landslide any more. They don't promise enough free stuff.
Wow. And be a one-party state.
We have more than two parties here now.
Over the course of the history of the USA, there have been at least two parties since very early on.
Both of the current parties formed and grew in popularity as parties that preceeded them faded or splintered.
If the Democrats or Republicans fade away, there will be another party to take their place.
Oh, come now. Do give CNN credit, as Americans are saying the same
thing as your mom. Along with some who are dreamers. And others who
are from only god knows where.
Your alcoholic Swedish opinions are noted and ignored.
A one-party state with the ugliest part of it's history erased;
just like a Thomas Jefferson statue coming down.
IIRC, the "Democratic" party Jefferson formed has more in common
with the Republican party of today.
IIRC, the "Democratic" party Jefferson formed has more in common
with the Republican party of today.
But if they insist on erasing history, let them go ahead & erase
the offspring of the enslavement party as well.
Okay, so you make a grandiose statement that we all must work to fix
racism, then when I ask you how, you have no answer.
I think I know how to politely respond to the rest of your message.
So when you tell me I must work to "fix racism", thats an emotional need
for you to live in a nice world where we all get along. But there is a difference between silly liberal utopian fantasy magical unicorn-worlds and the gritty actual reality of this world:
I think the injustice has been identified. The disproportionate number of
black people being mistreated by police, and even killed.
That remark stems from the fact that the majority of black-crimes are
in fact committed by black people. Not whites gathered en-masse killing black people in acts of racism. Not white cops killing black people en-masse. It
is a high statistic of black-on-black crimes that therefore logically result in police action against them.
CP24 routinely reports shootings in Toronto. Guess where the neighborhoods the
shootings take place at? Predominately ghettos with large populations of
poor black people. No shootings in areas with successful law-abiding black people. I live in downtown Toronto... trust me on this please.
And these are crimes committed by black people with *illegal guns*, not registered guns like the kind our lovely gentle compassionate effeminate PM wants to take away from the law-abiding Canadians.
George Floyd was nothing more than an excuse for some rioting and rage. Now we >move on to statues being torn down and Eskimo Pies are now suddenly offensive.
Democrats support illegal immigration.
At first glance that looks like fake news.
Nothing to debate or learn from here either.
Every democrat who ran for president this election year declared that they are in favor of open borders. IOW: They don't want to enforce a national border with Mexico and/or Canada. Conservative Republicans are not on board with letting people roam in and out of the country freely without documentation (passport/id/etc.) Notice our Democrat friends in Fido know exactly what I'm talking about.
https://abc7chicago.com/cicero-woman-hostages-concepcion-malinek-guatemal >>I'll take a look at that and see if I can figure out what you mean.
People in the states are taking advantage of illegal immigrants; basically enslaving them. It's not right. Nobody should be treated like garbage unless they've been convicted of garbage.
"Illegal? Need a job? Work for me!" <- People like Joe Biden have signs like that in their front yard.
I don't think police should be working in areas like homelessness or
mental health. If for whatever reason they are, then they need the
resources and funding they need to do that.
I was shocked to see breakdowns from the San Francisco bay area.
Police budgets account for between 30 and almost 50 percent of city's
general funds.
I appreciate the idea of balancing expenditures between social
programs whose budgets have been cut, and law enforcement has had to
take up the slack. Whoever coined the term "Defund" probably needs to
go back to marketing school - it's become the punch line of
conservatives since it got off the ground.
It's a common thread, it seems. Cut back on social programs, mental
health programs and drug programs, let the police deal with the
aftermath, and instead incarcerate people into a for-profit prison
system at a far higher cost than outreach, social care and mental
health care.
Don't provide taxpayer-funded medical care for the poor or affordable
health care options, instead wait until they go into an emergency
room in a for-profit hospital and rack up exorbitant bills, when a
series of proactive steps could have minimized the cost and
suffering.
I'm not qualified to tell you what you need to fix and I don't AI>knowyou well enough to make any kind of judgement at all.
Okay, so you make a grandiose statement that we all must work to fix racism, then when I ask you how, you have no answer.
I think I know how to politely respond to the rest of your message.
If you want to know something about me, know that since I was a little boy I
have always questioned *everything*. I question parental figures, authority figures, teachers, professors, news media, other Sysops, black people, Asians, Indians, devout Muslims, devout Christians...
I question *everyone* because I can.
I was born with a very stubborn need to use critical logical thinking.
When I receive logical answers to my questions backed with fact, science or
at least some level of appropriate intelligent response to my critical thinking, I respect that person and consider my question answered. Or at least have that person open a door to research which leads to other doors.
When I receive emotional answers to my questions or the person is offended,
jumps to insults, whines, cries, I lose respect for that person. Period.
So when you tell me I must work to "fix racism", thats an emotional need for
you to live in a nice world where we all get along.
But there is a difference between silly liberal utopian fantasy magical unicorn-worlds and the gritty actual reality of this world:
I think the injustice has been identified. The disproportionate AI>numberof black people being mistreated by police, and even killed.
That remark stems from the fact that the majority of black-crimes are
in fact committed by black people.
Not whites gathered en-masse killing black people in acts of racism.
Not white cops killing black people en-masse.
It is a high statistic of black-on-black crimes that therefore logically result in police action against them.
CP24 routinely reports shootings in Toronto. Guess where the neighborhoods the shootings take place at? Predominately ghettos with large populations of poor black people. No shootings in areas with successful law-abiding black people. I live in downtown Toronto... trust me on this please.
And these are crimes committed by black people with *illegal guns*, not registered guns like the kind our lovely gentle compassionate effeminate PM
wants to take away from the law-abiding Canadians.
George Floyd was nothing more than an excuse for some rioting and rage.
Now we move on to statues being torn down and Eskimo Pies are now suddenly offensive.
I appreciate your polite response but you can feel free to let me have it a it is. I don't expect people to always be polite.
Currently there is an issue of white cops killing black people. I wouldn't call it en-masse but it is a large and continuing problem that should not b It is unsupportable.
Are there actually ghettos in Toronto? That's a whole other issue.
People were enraged at first and there was rioting and looting. This is not the first time we have seen that and if we don't get to work on the solutio it won't be the last.
Anyhow whats "unsupportable" is the notion that because a criminal suspect is black, special treatment must be given otherwise the policeman will lose their job or the city will burn to the ground in another riot. That is unsupportable along with BLM making martyrs out of *convicted criminals*.
People were enraged at first and there was rioting and looting. This is not >> the first time we have seen that and if we don't get to work on the solutio >> it won't be the last.
I am curious what your solution would be. If you do not have one, then this brings us back to the utopian magical unicorn-world I mentioned earlier.
The BLM movement has not asked or expected anyone to give up their authority.
Some people have attempting to put a "smarter" definition around "defunding" but, to the people who are adament about it, they really do mean defund and disolve.
What do you think the end result of defunding a police department would be?
I think the police should be fully funded to accomplish whatever it is we are ping they will accomplish. If they are not funded they can't be expected to be
uccessful.
I do see movement in those areas and I hope that you can find a party to vote f
r that will be able to move the USA forward out this current divisive place it >eems to be in.
Personally, I think the party you vote for is more important than who becomes "
resident". At least that is the case in Canada. Our Prime Minister is the leade
of the elected party but the real power to get things done remains within the
arty and other elected members of parliment.
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Do some history research.
You're making the claim, you provide the citation. That's how it
works.
Society's efforts to tear apart the "nuclear family" have done more damage >MP> minorities, and others, in the US than dumbass Billy Bob and his
confederate flag have.
The thing is, black culture is actually traditional, conservative, family-based and faith-based. It still is in many parts including Toronto but the media and leftists obsess with the idea of racism. Black people are villified as "uncle toms" for working hard, obeying the law and going to church. Black criminals are celebrated including this George Floyd criminal who is treated like the second coming of MLK Jr.
I thought about this very carefully lately; a landslide victory is likely not >going to happen given how many people perceive Trump to be weak on the rioters >and protestors, Chop/Chaz nonsense etc.
GWB got us the mess we were in with his economic mismanagement,
leaving us with the Great Recession. Barack Obama saved us by
giving away the store. Problem was, he did not give us enough,
leaving us with Donald Trump.
We have more than two parties here now.
That ended shortly after Donald Trump took office as president.
What we have now is one poltical party and a personality cult.
Over the course of the history of the USA, there have been at least two parties since very early on.
The only real party that remains is the Democratic Party, as the
Republican Party has dissolved into a personality cult. Trumpism
by any other name is still Trumpism.
exactly... one can easily look at the history and see when individuals jumped f
om one party to the other and carried their beliefs and convictions with them..
this happened both ways and the parties switched points of
view... today's republicans are yesterday's democrats and visa versa... many ar
too ignorant to see that, though... they only spew rhetoric about party names
nd ideals completely ignorant that they used to be their party's
ideals...
sits quietly by as American monuments are torn down,
I know some unwanted monuments from confederate times were taken down and nobod
cared to stop it. I saw a confederate statue being taken away by city crews in
the south western USA.
I know these statues are historical but there doesn't seem to be support for th
se types of memorials these days.
The link was broken but I think I found the story you were refering to.
I didn't see anything in that story that says "Democrats support illegal immigration", or anthing remotely like that.
We are all racists and bigots. What we do (as individuals and as
a society) to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
Yes, I should have been more clear. "The efforts of the leftists and media in our society to tear apart..." etc. Thanks for correcting it for me. :)
Alan Ianson wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
I would never defund the police departments or even think that way. I would hope police departments could run on 10 percent, or even less if that was possible but if it costs 60 percent to get that done I don't
see a choice.
If we funded social programs and it results in savings in police costs that's a win for everyone. It's also nice to save $1,000 as long as
that saving doesn't cost $10,000 elsewhere. Cause and effect.
Don't provide taxpayer-funded medical care for the poor or affordable
health care options, instead wait until they go into an emergency
room in a for-profit hospital and rack up exorbitant bills, when a
series of proactive steps could have minimized the cost and
suffering.
Here were I live if I need to see a doctor I do that and it doesn't
cost me anything. The same is true if I need surgery. I go to the
hospital or clinic as the case may be and get that done. It doesn't
cost me anything.
It's not that we don't like capitalism, that's fine. But when people
are sick or unhealthy they get that taken care of with out any money changing hands regardless of their "status".
GWB got us the mess we were in with his economic mismanagement,
leaving us with the Great Recession. Barack Obama saved us by
giving away the store. Problem was, he did not give us enough,
leaving us with Donald Trump.
You are not in the United States, so Obama didn't do anything for you... well, except likely give your country free money out of our pockets (assuming that you are in the EU).
As for the Great Recession, the crooked banking practices, etc., that lead to that were going on before GWB was sworn in.
Around here, the crooked mortgage party really got going by at least the Summer of 1999.
Someone else was President, and chasing skirts, then.
We have more than two parties here now.
That ended shortly after Donald Trump took office as president.
What we have now is one poltical party and a personality cult.
Again, not in the US, so you are not a part of "we" in this discussion.
Over the course of the history of the USA, there have been at least two
parties since very early on.
The only real party that remains is the Democratic Party, as the
Republican Party has dissolved into a personality cult. Trumpism
by any other name is still Trumpism.
Bullshit. If you lived here you'd know Trump's cult followed 8 years of the
Obama personality cult.
Back in the 9os, we had the Bill and Hillary dual presidency personality cult, which is what they tried to bring back for 2016.
Problem was Hillary could not carry the show with Bill forced into
the background.
Now they are trying to revive the Obama cult around his half-senile former Vice President...
except those of us smart enough know that his VP choice will be more important.
They will become President after he has to step aside due to his mental deterioration.
Melania Trump never rose anywhere near being admired or adored like
either of those two ladies ...
looks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other woman at
We are all racists and bigots. What we do (as individuals and as
a society) to overcome our own racism and bigotry is up to us.
Once again - Your alcoholic Swedish opinions are ignored.
Melania Trump never rose anywhere near being admired or adored like
either of those two ladies ...
You mean the foreign born porn star who can barely speak English with her looks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other woman at least 20 years older than her? Say it ain't so...
looks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other womaFirst ladies aren't important; it's president Trump that we all love.
But none of that is relevant, as neither Bill nor BarackMelania Trump never rose anywhere near being admired or adored likeYou mean the foreign born porn star who can barely speak English with looks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other woma least 20 years older than her? Say it ain't so...
either of those two ladies ...
had to pay for what they got.
likeMelania Trump never rose anywhere near being admired or adored
either of those two ladies ...
withYou mean the foreign born porn star who can barely speak English
womalooks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other
least 20 years older than her? Say it ain't so...
But none of that is relevant, as neither Bill nor Barack
had to pay for what they got.
In the case of Bill...he hasn't had to pay as much as president Grabem.
In the case of Bill...he hasn't had to pay as much as president GrabeHe did pay for the cigar. But not the blue dress. But do keep in mind,
Don Lowery wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
If those cigars are Cuban...
looks going south can't be admired or adored by almost any other woman at
First ladies aren't important; it's president Trump that we all love.
In the case of Bill...he hasn't had to pay as much as president DL>Grabe
He did pay for the cigar. But not the blue dress. But do keep in mind,
If those cigars are Cuban...at least when chewing on them...he's not lying about where they come from. Too bad we can't send a Cheech/Chong sized one to
stuff down its throat. That way...its lips aren't moving...it's not lying. At
least being high...it might do a better job than what it's not doing now.
Latest presidential election polls have Joe Biden ahead
of Donald Trump by 14% nationally. Including by 6% in Florida.
The electoral college count showing Biden with 338 electoral
votes, and climbing. And Trump with 205 electoral votes and
dropping.
If those cigars are Cuban...It makes you wonder if the stash, purported to be thousands of Cuban
cigars that JFK acquired right before the embargo stayed at the White
House or made its way back to Kennebunkport?
On 06-20-20 09:01, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Fix Racism <=-
Would you want them to just hide the facts?
The media telling us that Chauvin was white & that Floyd was black is irrelevant to the story. It's like saying "Raiders fan kills Giants
fan."
It is not irrelevant when it is part of a systemic pattern.
But since that's not the case, it's just another case of liberal news pushing racial buttons and setting the USA back by about 60 years.
Someone would have reported it -- find the report and tell us all about
it if you can.
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/minnesota-police-convicted-justine- damond/
In this report, they're saying "activists shift focus towards police brutality." Why would they shift the focus like that? I'm here trying
to sell anti-racism t-shirts!
That is the same focus as in the George Floyd case -- police brutality. DS>It needs to stop.
What that report does not say is what were the facts in the killing.
That may well have been reported three years ago when it happened, but DS>that report is silent about that aspect.
One thing that did get mentioned in that report was that it was the
first time that a police killing resulted in a conviction, and that it DS>was the first conviction out of 179 police involved deaths in Minnesota DS>since 2000, at least some of which were white cops killing unarmed black DS>men.
Perhaps that is why they do not use your alternate version. They simply showed the video where everone could see what happened in black and
white.
What could everyone see? Racial slurs? Stereotype jokes? I don't see
any of that. Just a police officer being careless with a suspect's
health & safety. Not racism.
Not careless. Indifferent and cruel and brutal.
cit >> and governments. Even immigrants bring with them their own racism. AI>It's a >> problem that we all need to work on.Racism is a human problem. It exists in all our provinces, territories,
Work on it *how* exactly? Why do *I* need to work on something *I* am not directly responsible for?
I'm not qualified to tell you what you need to fix and I don't know you AI>well enough to make any kind of judgement at all.
I work hard, support my family, pay my taxes, obey the law, give respect
when > respect is earned. Isn't that enough?
We may be brothers!
don >> I have thought from time to time that racism is a problem in Canada AI>althoug >> still don't know what the solution is. We don't have a largeI imagine the BLM movement was started because "something" needed to be
black populati > The huge difference between BLM and the civil-rights AI>protests of years ago is > that BLM does not have a clear-cut end goal or AI>result; just raw emotion and > rage at undefined injustices.
I think the injustice has been identified. The disproportionate number of AI>black people being mistreated by police, and even killed.
BLM condones violence, censorship, anti-capitalism,
Really? I don't see that.
sits quietly by as American monuments are torn down,
I know some unwanted monuments from confederate times were taken down and AI>nobody cared to stop it. I saw a confederate statue being taken away by AI>city crews in the south western USA.
I know these statues are historical but there doesn't seem to be support AI>for these types of memorials these days.
Antifa runs wild, etc.
Antifa was made famous in one or many of Donald Trumps tweets.
It was investigated by the FBI and found not to be a problem. Antifa is AI>not the problem. The only antifa I could find was an anti fascist website.
At no time has BLM ever focused on the racism of the media as Aaron pointed out or addressing the issues which I mentioned before about poverty and the breakdown of the family unit caused by liberal government policies.
BLM is focused on bringing racism and police brutality to light. It was AI>never about media accountability or social issues like poverty or the
So when our PM and Toronto police chief take a knee, its surrendering tothe > BLM narrative and agreeing with them.
It was acceptance and understanding of the problem and (I hope) the PM and AI>police officers everywhere will stand up and do what needs to be done to AI>correct that problem.
I think the injustice has been identified. The disproportionate number AI>of black people being mistreated by police, and even killed.
There are far more `white' perps killed by police than blacks.
BLM condones violence, censorship, anti-capitalism,
Really? I don't see that.
Then you've been either asleep since Floyd was killed, or vacationing in a foreign country completely cut off from all outside news or information.
sits quietly by as American monuments are torn down,
I know some unwanted monuments from confederate times were taken down AI>and nobody cared to stop it. I saw a confederate statue being taken AI>away by city crews in the south western USA.
Piece by piece the leftists try to erase our history.
I know these statues are historical but there doesn't seem to be AI>support for these types of memorials these days.
That didn't become all that important until democrat and outside forces began stirring up mostly ignorant people who are easily led into rioting, looting, and destroying property.
Antifa runs wild, etc.
Antifa was made famous in one or many of Donald Trumps tweets.
Thats a disgusting lie!
It was investigated by the FBI and found not to be a problem. Antifa is AI>not the problem. The only antifa I could find was an anti fascist AI>website.
`Anti' facist? Its hard to swallow that title when the group calling itself that is out there using the very tacticts of those they `claim'
to be `anti' of! `Rioting'...`looting'....`arson'...are the very tactics of `facism'!
BLM is focused on bringing racism and police brutality to light. It was AI>never about media accountability or social issues like poverty or the
Black Lives Matter is focused on forcing people to `take a knee'!
I know some unwanted monuments from confederate times were taken down and AI>nobody cared to stop it. I saw a confederate statue being taken away by AI>city crews in the south western USA.
In the past couple of days, in Wisconsin, they've also targeted the statue of an Abolitionist who fought and died for the Union.
BLM may be a part of it, but a whole lot of what is going on now is for the sake of distruction.
There is something very Orwellian about Antifa and the Cancel Culture we are witnessing.
I know some unwanted monuments from confederate times were taken down and
nobody cared to stop it. I saw a confederate statue being taken away by
city crews in the south western USA.
In the past couple of days, in Wisconsin, they've also targeted the statue of an Abolitionist who fought and died for the Union.
BLM may be a part of it, but a whole lot of what is going on now is for the
sake of distruction.
There is something very Orwellian about Antifa and the Cancel Culture we are
witnessing.
In the past couple of days, in Wisconsin, they've also targeted the
statue of an Abolitionist who fought and died for the Union.
There may be statues to go up or down but I think there needs some carefull
consideration of all that and this doesn't seem like a good time for that.
BLM may be a part of it, but a whole lot of what is going on now is for
the sake of distruction.
There is something very Orwellian about Antifa and the Cancel Culture we
are witnessing.
The cancel culture is Orwellian but I don't see where Antifa comes into anything in recent history, and I don't think it's anything more than an ideal.
Yes, Antifa is an anti fascist ideal. It's strange to see Trump tweeting
"Antifa" in a negative way. He seems to have stopped now.
Geez, probably because Antifa is in fact a domestic terrorist organization;
designated with that title as they use terrorist-style tactics and violence
to cause mayhem and destruction as opposed to peaceful protesting.
The founders of BLM are marxists and have no problems aligning themselves with Antifa.
Solving racism is no longer the goal;
its to push their agenda
even if it means "burning it all to the ground" as one was quoted in the media saying.
And our spineless clueless PM and Toronto police chief saw no problem to kneel before these terrorist communist bastards... ready to wash their feet.
Yes, Antifa is an anti fascist ideal. It's strange to see Trump tweeting "Antifa" in a negative way. He seems to have stopped now.
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
Yes, Antifa is an anti fascist ideal. It's strange to see Trump AI>>tweeting "Antifa" in a negative way. He seems to have stopped now.
Geez, probably because Antifa is in fact a domestic terrorist NA>organization; designated with that title as they use terrorist-style NA>tactics and violence to cause mayhem and destruction as opposed to NA>peaceful protesting.
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
Your alcoholic Swedish opinions are ignored.
Nick
Yes, that's true. There are far more white people in the US than black
people so that doesn't surprise me.
There is a disproportionate number of black people killed by the police in the US.
I don't have a problem with it but I think the people should decide what
will or will not be memorialized.
On 28 Jun 20 03:21:52, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
Your alcoholic Swedish opinions are ignored.
Yes, that's true. There are far more white people in the US than black people so that doesn't surprise me.
There is a disproportionate number of black people killed by the police in the US.
I suspect that is because there is a disproportionate amount of crime in their neighborhoods. The same hold true for high-crime white neighborhoods. More of them have run-ins with the law and more of them ultimately get killed.
I don't have a problem with it but I think the people should decide what will or will not be memorialized.
People did decide it.
For example, one of the statues that has been in question lately was financed by freed slaves. Just like the people who were behind the other memorials in question, they are all dead now so I guess their wishes no longer matter to those whose feelings are hurt now.
I guess if enough people now somehow got offended by the Terry Fox Memorial, you'd be OK with that coming down, too?
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
Your alcoholic Swedish opinions are ignored.
I saw in another message where he claims to have received a stimulus check.
I am wondering which Federal organization would be interested in that admission of fraud?
When police do arrest people, and sometimes they need to do that, they
should arrest them without killing them. Sometimes force is needed but you don't need to kill a man who runs from police out of fear.
For example, one of the statues that has been in question lately was financed by freed slaves. Just like the people who were behind the other memorials in question, they are all dead now so I guess their wishes no longer matter to those whose feelings are hurt now.
Yes, in 100 years few people will know why it was put up to begin with or what the real meaning was.
I guess if enough people now somehow got offended by the Terry Fox Memorial, you'd be OK with that coming down, too?
Terry Fox did a great thing for sure. I'm not really into putting up statues of him or anyone else but now that it's up I wouldn't support taking it
down.
Geez, probably because Antifa is in fact a domestic terrorist NA>organization; designated with that title as they use terrorist-style NA>tactics and violence to cause mayhem and destruction as opposed to NA>peaceful protesting.
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
scores of innocent people).
When police do arrest people, and sometimes they need to do that, they should arrest them without killing them. Sometimes force is needed but you don't need to kill a man who runs from police out of fear.
Most of the time, if you get to see a whole video and not just what was edited by TV news or someone posting on social media, you often see the people getting shot were putting up some sort of fight beforehand.
Terry Fox did a great thing for sure. I'm not really into putting up statues of him or anyone else but now that it's up I wouldn't support taking it down.
Have you ever been there? I stopped there for a while on a trip between Thunder Bay and Nipigon. It was moving. The view of Lake Superior from up there is great, too.
Geez, probably because Antifa is in fact a domestic terrorist
organization; designated with that title as they use terrorist-style
tactics and violence to cause mayhem and destruction as opposed to
peaceful protesting.
Antifa has never been accused of killing people, unlike certain
other organizations - such as the Ku Klux Klan (which has killed
scores of innocent people).
Maybe not, I have not researched that. But I have seen where they go into places, stir up trouble, and then people get killed. They have also beat the
hell out of some people in the Pacific Northwest over the past 5 or so years.
Again, if you and others want to condemn violence, it is time to
condemn *all* acts of violence. So how about it? Are you game?
Again, if you and others want to condemn violence, it is time to
condemn *all* acts of violence. So how about it? Are you game?
Who has been condoning violence here, besides yourself?
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