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    From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 19:10:47
    I do recall you mentioning Synchronet is now 80 mb? Wow! It’s surely growing majorly over the decades now.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to The Millionaire on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 19:49:49
    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:10 pm

    I do recall you mentioning Synchronet is now 80 mb? Wow! It's surely growing majorly over the decades now.

    Yeah, I think it's actually less than that (60-70MB), but a lot of that is 3rd party content. I don't really care how big or small an install of it is, within reason. I used to pride myself on how small an install was (or could be), but don't care much these days.

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  • From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 19:58:58
    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:10 pm

    Yeah, I think it's actually less than that (60-70MB), but a lot of that is 3rd party content. I don't really care how big or small an install of it is, within reason. I used to pride myself on how small an install was (or could be), but don't care much these days.

    digital man

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    I also recalling you saying that you can update straight from Synchronet. No more dev or run zips anymore to d/l?

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to The Millionaire on Wednesday, September 23, 2020 21:33:32
    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:58 pm


    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:10 pm

    Yeah, I think it's actually less than that (60-70MB), but a lot of that is 3rd party content. I don't really care how big or small an install of it is, within reason. I used to pride myself on how small an install was (or could be), but don't care much these days.

    I also recalling you saying that you can update straight from Synchronet. No more dev or run zips anymore to d/l?

    No, that's what I was explaining. I mereing explaining that the SBBSCTRL:File->Run->Update menu option can be used in place of running "jsexec update" from a command-line. You'd still have to download and extract any dev-update zip files by hand before that.

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  • From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thursday, September 24, 2020 07:23:38
    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Wed Sep 23 2020 07:58 pm

    No, that's what I was explaining. I mereing explaining that the SBBSCTRL:File->Run->Update menu option can be used in place of running "jsexec update" from a command-line. You'd still have to download and extract any dev-update zip files by hand before that.

    digital man

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    Then on to my next question then, how about an option on Synchronet Control Panel to download updates from the GitHub automatically? I think that a lot of Sysops would love that one.

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  • From Kurisu@1:103/705 to The Millionaire on Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:17:15
    Re: Video
    By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Thu Sep 24 2020 07:23 am

    Then on to my next question then, how about an option on Synchronet Control Panel to download updates from the GitHub automatically? I think that a lot of Sysops would love that one.

    On the surface it doesn't sound like a bad idea but once you realize the kinds of customizations some people have and how quickly such an option could wreak havoc on some sysop's work doing the manual file updates followed by the code recompile seems the more sane option.

    Trust me, I love the *idea* but in practice it would be more pain than it's worth.
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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 11:50:53
    Hey Rob.

    Just a quick note to say well done on the recent video :)

    I had a wee look at it last night and think you did a great job.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Paul Hayton on Thursday, September 24, 2020 17:45:12
    Re: Re: Video
    By: Paul Hayton to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 11:50 am

    Hey Rob.

    Just a quick note to say well done on the recent video :)

    I had a wee look at it last night and think you did a great job.

    Thanks! Your videos were an inspiration, for sure!

    And going through the demo/recording process is a great way to validate that everything works and record the results for later review/improvement. I think it's a great tool.

    digital man

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  • From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Paul Hayton on Thursday, September 24, 2020 18:16:52
    Hey Rob.

    Just a quick note to say well done on the recent video :)

    I had a wee look at it last night and think you did a great job.

    Best, Paul

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    Do you even make videos anymore?

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Paul Hayton on Thursday, September 24, 2020 21:58:06
    Re: Re: Video
    By: Paul Hayton to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 04:45 pm

    And going through the demo/recording process is a great way to validate that everything works and record the results for later review/improvement. I think it's a great tool.

    I agree it does make you think as you record them what to include and what not to etc. I plan to do some more to update what I have done. Not just yet but there are plans to do so. I have some stuff to sort with my own setups etc. first. Just wish there were more spare hours in the day without the demands of daily life so I had time to play :)

    It might be a little different for me since I'm demoing something I wrote and thus have strong thoughts on how it's supposed to behave. And when I'm making a video and the software doesn't behave as I expect, I make a note of it and then (usually) go back and improve/fix the software to behave better next time. Earlier this year I made a video on setting up FidoNet with Synchronet and I was surprised it was still as difficult as it was and I discovered a number of bugs in the process as well. It was an eye-opener. So yeah, videos from now on. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to The Millionaire on Friday, September 25, 2020 16:46:03
    On 24 Sep 2020 at 06:16p, The Millionaire pondered and said...

    Do you even make videos anymore?

    A quick look at YouTube will answer that question :)

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 16:45:31
    On 24 Sep 2020 at 05:45p, Digital Man pondered and said...

    Thanks! Your videos were an inspiration, for sure!

    :) Kind of you to say. Your BBS software is very comprehensive and clearly a labour of love spanning many years. The wider community is lucky to have you still active and taking a caring role in the software and it's users. So
    thanks to you too. :)


    And going through the demo/recording process is a great way to validate that everything works and record the results for later
    review/improvement. I think it's a great tool.

    I agree it does make you think as you record them what to include and what
    not to etc. I plan to do some more to update what I have done. Not just yet
    but there are plans to do so. I have some stuff to sort with my own setups
    etc. first. Just wish there were more spare hours in the day without the demands of daily life so I had time to play :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 19:27:00
    On 09-24-20 21:58, Digital Man wrote to Paul Hayton <=-

    as difficult as it was and I discovered a number of bugs in the process
    as well. It was an eye-opener. So yeah, videos from now on. :-)

    As long as the wiki keeps getting updated. Instructional videos are not a good medium for some of us. I find them really difficult to work with, because I can't control the rate of information being presented.

    But that said, sounds like you've found a useful tool for development, as well as documentation.


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  • From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Paul Hayton on Friday, September 25, 2020 06:16:39
    On 24 Sep 2020 at 06:16p, The Millionaire pondered and said...

    A quick look at YouTube will answer that question :)

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    Yeah 3-4 years is a long time.

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  • From The Millionaire@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Friday, September 25, 2020 06:18:21
    Re: Re: Video
    By: Paul Hayton to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 04:45 pm

    It might be a little different for me since I'm demoing something I wrote and thus have strong thoughts on how it's supposed to behave. And when I'm making a video and the software doesn't behave as I expect, I make a note of it and then (usually) go back and improve/fix the software to behave better next time. Earlier this year I made a video on setting up FidoNet with Synchronet and I was surprised it was still as difficult as it was and I discovered a number of bugs in the process as well. It was an eye-opener. So yeah, videos from now on. :-)

    digital man

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    Keep making them. I enjoy every one of them. :-)

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  • From alterego@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Friday, September 25, 2020 23:02:22
    Re: Re: Video
    By: Tony Langdon to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 07:27 pm

    as difficult as it was and I discovered a number of bugs in the process
    as well. It was an eye-opener. So yeah, videos from now on. :-)
    As long as the wiki keeps getting updated. Instructional videos are not a good medium for some of us. I find them really difficult
    to work with, because I can't control the rate of information being presented.

    Actually, I think the video's are great.

    While wiki's are great to find out how to do something you want to do, the videos give you a perspective of how somebody else does something and sometimes that is attractive/useful/insightful. IE: "I didnt realise I could do that..." moments.

    I've certainly had some "hmm.. I might like that" moments.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Tony Langdon on Friday, September 25, 2020 09:48:04
    Re: Re: Video
    By: Tony Langdon to Digital Man on Fri Sep 25 2020 07:27 pm

    On 09-24-20 21:58, Digital Man wrote to Paul Hayton <=-

    as difficult as it was and I discovered a number of bugs in the process as well. It was an eye-opener. So yeah, videos from now on. :-)

    As long as the wiki keeps getting updated. Instructional videos are not a good medium for some of us. I find them really difficult to work with, because I can't control the rate of information being presented.

    But that said, sounds like you've found a useful tool for development, as well as documentation.

    The videos aren't a replacement for the documentation/wiki, just a supplement. I would never fault a sysop for not watching videos as a means of instruction.

    digital man

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Tony Langdon on Saturday, September 26, 2020 08:53:34
    On 25 Sep 2020 at 07:27p, Tony Langdon pondered and said...

    As long as the wiki keeps getting updated. Instructional videos are not
    a good medium for some of us. I find them really difficult to work
    with, because I can't control the rate of information being presented.

    Fair enough, but there is a pause function on the media player.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to alterego on Saturday, September 26, 2020 18:28:00
    On 09-25-20 23:02, alterego wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Actually, I think the video's are great.

    For me, videos are good for an overview, but not detailed instructions, because of the mismatch between the speed of information delivery, and the rate at which I take information in (which can be highly variable!). The most detailed parts are the worst, because I tend to be slower than the video, and the act of rewinding and replaying impacts on my working memory, slowing things down more.

    So I think there's room for both. For me, the roles are quite complementary - video for an overview, written for the detailed instructions.

    While wiki's are great to find out how to do something you want to do,
    the videos give you a perspective of how somebody else does something
    and sometimes that is attractive/useful/insightful. IE: "I didnt
    realise I could do that..." moments.

    On that count I'd agree, part of the "overview" that I can get from videos.


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Digital Man on Saturday, September 26, 2020 18:30:00
    On 09-25-20 09:48, Digital Man wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    The videos aren't a replacement for the documentation/wiki, just a supplement. I would never fault a sysop for not watching videos as a
    means of instruction.

    Sounds perfect, I see them as potentially offering something different. There are other places I've been where you fo to the "help" section and all they have is a video, rather than saying "Here's a video that shows... And here's the PDF."


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Paul Hayton on Saturday, September 26, 2020 18:34:00
    On 09-26-20 08:53, Paul Hayton wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    On 25 Sep 2020 at 07:27p, Tony Langdon pondered and said...

    As long as the wiki keeps getting updated. Instructional videos are not
    a good medium for some of us. I find them really difficult to work
    with, because I can't control the rate of information being presented.

    Fair enough, but there is a pause function on the media player.

    Which requires the same working memory to manage that is already overloaded by the video, slowing down things even more. I did an online course that happened to be all video base. The content was great, but it was a chore trying to do the steps under video instruction. Worse, and I don't know if it's pure coincidence, I haven't been in the right frame of mind to do online study since (regardless of format). I'm hoping that's just a coincidence, and not a contributing factor to a recent "burnout" event (multiple other factors involved). No way of knowing for sure.


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