• Commercial Synchronet

    From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digitalman on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 20:55:12

    So I'm reading the Synchronet wiki and it says Synchronet was sold commercially from 1992-1996. I remember seeing the ad for Synchronet BBS in PC mag and other computer mags. What I want to know is was it available in any computer stores in the US during those commercial years.? Did it ever reach the big boy COMP_USA? I had a lot of pops and mom computer stores here on Long Island but I wasn't looking to run a BBS on a what we called an IBM compatable back then. I started with the C64 and from there went to the Amiga. I'm curious if I ever saw Synchronet BBS on the shelf at my local store or even Radio Shack. Radio Shack was a big seller of IBM compats in those years. They were waay out of my price range. LOL!

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to HusTler on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 21:41:28
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to Digitalman on Tue Sep 20 2022 08:55 pm

    So I'm reading the Synchronet wiki and it says Synchronet was sold commercially from 1992-1996. I remember seeing the ad for Synchronet BBS in PC mag and other computer mags.

    PC Magazine was out of my budget, but yeah, we advertised in:
    - Boardwatch
    - BBS Callers Digest (I think it was AKA BBS Magazine at one point)
    - Online Access
    - Sysop News and World Report
    - and maybe one or two other even smaller mags I'm forgetting

    What I want to know is was it available in
    any computer stores in the US during those commercial years.?

    Not really. Although we had ads with a shrink-wrapped box image, we never actually sold the software in a shrink-wrapped box (e.g. in a retail store).

    Did it ever reach the big boy COMP_USA?

    Maybe the demo version was included in a CD-ROM that was sold there? That'd be the closest thing.

    I had a lot of pops and mom computer stores here
    on Long Island but I wasn't looking to run a BBS on a what we called an IBM compatable back then. I started with the C64 and from there went to the Amiga. I'm curious if I ever saw Synchronet BBS on the shelf at my local store or even Radio Shack. Radio Shack was a big seller of IBM compats in those years. They were waay out of my price range. LOL!

    Yeah, mine too. I also built my own PCs out of wholesale parts. Now, I do buy HPs or Dells or <gasp> Microsoft computers, especially since Fry's closed down. :-(
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to HusTler on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 23:49:39
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to Digitalman on Tue Sep 20 2022 08:55 pm


    So I'm reading the Synchronet wiki and it says Synchronet was sold commercially from 1992-1996. I remember seeing the ad for Synchronet BBS in PC mag and other computer mags. What I want to know is was it available in any computer stores in the US during those commercial years.? Did it ever reach the big boy COMP_USA? I had a lot of pops and mom computer stores here on Long Island but I wasn't looking to run a BBS on a what we called an IBM compatable back then. I started with the C64 and from there went to the Amiga. I'm curious if I ever saw Synchronet BBS on the shelf at my local store or even Radio Shack. Radio Shack was a big seller of IBM compats in those years. They were waay out of my price range. LOL!



    only bbs software i ever saw in a store was wildcat! and it was in software ect. never sold.
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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 07:39:41
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Sep 20 2022 09:41 pm

    PC Magazine was out of my budget, but yeah, we advertised in:
    - Boardwatch
    - BBS Callers Digest (I think it was AKA BBS Magazine at one point)
    - Online Access
    - Sysop News and World Report
    - and maybe one or two other even smaller mags I'm forgetting

    And if I called the support line I would have spoken to you? I remember talking to the guy from Searchlight. When I had trouble setting up Fidonet he would tell me he didn't support it but for a $100 fee he would. Then the guys from Fidonet wanted money. Geez when I think back I was really taken for a ride. I'm wondering if that's why stores didn't carry a lot of BBS software. They didn't want the headache of people returning the software they couldn't get to work??

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 08:22:01
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Sep 20 2022 09:41 pm

    Yeah, mine too. I also built my own PCs out of wholesale parts. Now, I do buy HPs or Dells or <gasp> Microsoft computers, especially since Fry's closed down. :-(

    I'm currently working at a software consulting company, and a couple years ago, I was doing work for a company on-site and saw that they had some Microsoft Surface Studio all-in-one PCs, and I thought they looked like fairly nice machines. They're fairly expensive though..

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to MRO on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 08:22:36
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Sep 20 2022 11:49 pm

    only bbs software i ever saw in a store was wildcat! and it was in software ect. never sold.

    I saw boxed copies of Wildcat at my local Egghead Software in the mid 90s.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to HusTler on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:54:26
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Wed Sep 21 2022 07:39 am

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Sep 20 2022 09:41 pm

    PC Magazine was out of my budget, but yeah, we advertised in:
    - Boardwatch
    - BBS Callers Digest (I think it was AKA BBS Magazine at one point)
    - Online Access
    - Sysop News and World Report
    - and maybe one or two other even smaller mags I'm forgetting

    And if I called the support line I would have spoken to you?

    Possibly. I did have employees 1993-95 that usually answered the phone and Allen (King Drafus) handled most of the voice support questions in the later years (so I could work on getting the damned OS/2 version released).

    I remember
    talking to the guy from Searchlight. When I had trouble setting up Fidonet he would tell me he didn't support it but for a $100 fee he would.

    Ah, I recall Frank being a really nice guy when I met it at ONE BBSCON.

    Then the guys from Fidonet wanted money.

    Yup, I remember paying $5 a month I think it was, for "cost recovery" (FidoNet Zone 1, net 103). And then I paid Planet Connect for a KU-band satellite feed (don't remember how much, but more).

    Geez when I think back I was really taken
    for a ride. I'm wondering if that's why stores didn't carry a lot of BBS software. They didn't want the headache of people returning the software they couldn't get to work??

    I imagine that there were quite a few copies of PCBoard, Wildcat, TBBS, etc. sold in retail stores. A lot of those copies probably just sat on shelves too. But running a BBS fully (e.g. FidoNet-working, door games, CD-ROMs, etc.) required some passion and dedication, which is often in short-supply among the software-buying public. :-)
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 10:58:20
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Sep 21 2022 08:22 am

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Tue Sep 20 2022 09:41 pm

    Yeah, mine too. I also built my own PCs out of wholesale parts. Now, I do buy HPs or Dells or <gasp> Microsoft computers, especially since Fry's closed down. :-(

    I'm currently working at a software consulting company, and a couple years ago, I was doing work for a company on-site and saw that they had some Microsoft Surface Studio all-in-one PCs, and I thought they looked like fairly nice machines. They're fairly expensive though..

    The Microsoft Surface Pros were highly-recommended to me for students and now each of my daughters has one and they swear buy them for college school work. They use the stylus and tablet/rotation/touch features much more than I would have predicted. I think the next closest thing would be an iPad Pro, but my kids still need/use traditional Windows software, so the Surface Pros were the right buy. No regrets. The Surface all-in-ones do look like a nice iMac alternative.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 11:34:08
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Sep 21 2022 10:58 am

    The Microsoft Surface Pros were highly-recommended to me for students and now each of my daughters has one and they swear buy them for college school work. They use the stylus and tablet/rotation/touch features much more than I would have predicted. I think the next closest thing would be an iPad Pro, but my kids still need/use traditional Windows software, so the Surface Pros were the right buy. No regrets.

    I had a Surface Pro years ago, and I think it was a good tablet, but the thing I didn't like about it was that its keyboard attachment wasn't rigid like a laptop, so it didn't stay in position when it's picked up and moved. I felt like that became more of an annoyance over time. I didn't really use the stylus though. Maybe I wasn't the target market for that device..

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 13:48:22
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Sep 21 2022 11:34 am

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Sep 21 2022 10:58 am

    The Microsoft Surface Pros were highly-recommended to me for students and now each of my daughters has one and they swear buy them for college school work. They use the stylus and tablet/rotation/touch features much more than I would have predicted. I think the next closest thing would be an iPad Pro, but my kids still need/use traditional Windows software, so the Surface Pros were the right buy. No regrets.

    I had a Surface Pro years ago, and I think it was a good tablet, but the thing I didn't like about it was that its keyboard attachment wasn't rigid like a laptop, so it didn't stay in position when it's picked up and moved. I felt like that became more of an annoyance over time. I didn't really use the stylus though. Maybe I wasn't the target market for that device..

    Agreed. Microsoft also makes a Surface Laptop (with traditional/rigid keyboard), that looks pretty nice/slim, but I/we haven't owned one. For laptops, I've had really good luck with Lenovos.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 16:49:02
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Sep 21 2022 01:48 pm

    Agreed. Microsoft also makes a Surface Laptop (with traditional/rigid keyboard), that looks pretty nice/slim, but I/we haven't owned one. For laptops, I've had really good luck with Lenovos.

    I tend to like Lenovo as well. I sold that Surface Pro tablet I had and ended up buying a Lenovo laptop afterward (which I still use off and on).

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 20:27:00
    Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I had a Surface Pro years ago, and I think it was a good tablet, but the thing I didn't like about it was that its keyboard attachment wasn't rigid like a laptop, so it didn't stay in position when it's picked up and moved. I felt like that became more of an annoyance over time. I didn't really use the stylus though. Maybe I wasn't the target market for that device..

    Agreed. Microsoft also makes a Surface Laptop (with
    traditional/rigid keyboard), that looks pretty nice/slim, but
    I/we haven't owned one. For laptops, I've had really good luck
    with Lenovos.

    Have never used a Surface, but agree on the Lenovo. Typing this from my
    daily driver ThinkPad T510 that is around 8 years old but still solid.
    I've added memory and an SSD to it and seriously don't think I'll ever
    use anything *other* than a Lenovo again. I'm thinking maybe Santa is
    going to bring me a new one this year. :-)



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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to HusTler on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 21:24:39
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Wed Sep 21 2022 07:39 am


    And if I called the support line I would have spoken to you? I remember talking to the guy from Searchlight. When I had trouble setting up Fidonet he would tell me he didn't support it but for a $100 fee he would. Then the

    well if he's taking time out of his day, whats wrong if naming his price? you could always say no.

    guys from Fidonet wanted money. Geez when I think back I was really taken for a ride. I'm wondering if that's why stores didn't carry a lot of BBS

    you mean that cost recovery thing? CRP i'm not sure if that ever worked well, or if people were profitting from it. maybe in some areas they it worked, some it didnt.

    why didnt stores carry bbs software? because bbses suck.
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  • From Moondog@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 23:06:00
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Sep 21 2022 11:34 am

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Sep 21 2022 10:58 am

    The Microsoft Surface Pros were highly-recommended to me for students a now each of my daughters has one and they swear buy them for college school work. They use the stylus and tablet/rotation/touch features muc more than I would have predicted. I think the next closest thing would an iPad Pro, but my kids still need/use traditional Windows software, s the Surface Pros were the right buy. No regrets.

    I had a Surface Pro years ago, and I think it was a good tablet, but the thi of an annoyance over time. I didn't really use the stylus though. Maybe I

    Nightfox

    At a previous jobsite we deployed Surfaces with a protective rubberized
    sleeve with the keyboard integrated to act as a screen cover. It didn't come loose at all.

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thursday, September 22, 2022 07:41:49
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Wed Sep 21 2022 10:54 am

    Ah, I recall Frank being a really nice guy when I met it at ONE BBSCON.

    He was. I just needed someone to help me out as I did not understand the whole Fidonet thing. Searchlight came with preset Fidonet message areas. After I found someone to help me I purchased a commercial mailer (D,Bridge) with an excellent manual and I got things working. I was not expecting the extra cost. The advertisement for Searchlight read: "Everything you need to run your own Bulletin Board System". At the time D,Bridge was $120.00. So yea Frank was nice but I can get anyone to give me support if I pay them. ;-)

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to MRO on Thursday, September 22, 2022 07:53:46
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: MRO to HusTler on Wed Sep 21 2022 09:24 pm

    you mean that cost recovery thing? CRP i'm not sure if that ever worked well or if people were profitting from it. maybe in some areas they it worked, so it didnt.
    why didnt stores carry bbs software? because bbses suck.

    I'll tell you what. I've met a lot of friends that I still keep in touch with. I never would have met them if I didn't run a BBS. So yea BBS's suck when they don't work but the friendships gained fixing them is priceless in my opinion.

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  • From fusion@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thursday, September 22, 2022 11:36:00
    On 21 Sep 2022, Digital Man said the following...

    The Microsoft Surface Pros were highly-recommended to me for students
    and now each of my daughters has one and they swear buy them for college school work. They use the stylus and tablet/rotation/touch features much

    not that surprising considering Microsoft is banking their whole OS future on the concept. bit of a shame they didn't buy lenovo instead.. seems like they're just making up slowly for lost time.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Moondog on Thursday, September 22, 2022 09:30:53
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Wed Sep 21 2022 11:06 pm

    I had a Surface Pro years ago, and I think it was a good tablet, but
    the thi of an annoyance over time. I didn't really use the stylus
    though. Maybe I

    At a previous jobsite we deployed Surfaces with a protective rubberized sleeve with the keyboard integrated to act as a screen cover. It didn't come loose at all.

    It's not that the keyboard came loose.. It was that the keyboard didn't stay in position when moved. If you picked it up, the keyboard would flop down, so you had to also hold the keyboard when moving it, or fold it up, and then put it back in place after you move it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to fusion on Thursday, September 22, 2022 09:36:08
    Re: Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Sep 22 2022 11:36 am

    not that surprising considering Microsoft is banking their whole OS future on the concept. bit of a shame they didn't buy lenovo instead.. seems like they're just making up slowly for lost time.

    Was Lenovo considering selling their PC business?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thursday, September 22, 2022 15:49:49
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Thu Sep 22 2022 07:41 am

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Wed Sep 21 2022 10:54 am

    Ah, I recall Frank being a really nice guy when I met it at ONE BBSCON.

    He was. I just needed someone to help me out as I did not understand the whole Fidonet thing. Searchlight came with preset Fidonet message areas. After I found someone to help me I purchased a commercial mailer (D,Bridge) with an excellent manual and I got things working. I was not expecting the extra cost. The advertisement for Searchlight read: "Everything you need to run your own Bulletin Board System". At the time D,Bridge was $120.00. So yea Frank was nice but I can get anyone to give me support if I pay them. ;-)


    you can expect what you want, but you have to do your homework.
    i knew having fidonet would require extra work and software.

    i wouldn't use d'bridge though. EWWWW

    i use irex and radius. much better.
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thursday, September 22, 2022 15:53:16
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Sep 22 2022 07:53 am

    well or if people were profitting from it. maybe in some areas they it worked, so it didnt.
    why didnt stores carry bbs software? because bbses suck.

    I'll tell you what. I've met a lot of friends that I still keep in touch with. I never would have met them if I didn't run a BBS. So yea BBS's suck when they don't work but the friendships gained fixing them is priceless in my opinion.

    that was almost 30 years ago. those days are over.
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thursday, September 22, 2022 15:55:54
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Sep 22 2022 09:30 am


    It's not that the keyboard came loose.. It was that the keyboard didn't stay in position when moved. If you picked it up, the keyboard would flop down, so you had to also hold the keyboard when moving it, or fold it up, and then put it back in place after you move it.


    so how is this a problem.
    that's how it was designed.
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  • From Moondog@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thursday, September 22, 2022 16:29:00
    Re: Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to fusion on Thu Sep 22 2022 09:36 am

    Re: Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Sep 22 2022 11:36 am

    not that surprising considering Microsoft is banking their whole OS fut on the concept. bit of a shame they didn't buy lenovo instead.. seems l they're just making up slowly for lost time.

    Was Lenovo considering selling their PC business?

    Nightfox


    I doubt Lenovo is selling anything. They picked up IBM's Personal Computing Division in 2005. They've created a good following since then.

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Moondog on Thursday, September 22, 2022 20:25:54
    Re: Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Moondog to Nightfox on Thu Sep 22 2022 04:29 pm


    Was Lenovo considering selling their PC business?

    Nightfox


    I doubt Lenovo is selling anything. They picked up IBM's Personal Computing Division in 2005. They've created a good following since then.

    that's what you find when you google them now.

    i remember like 5-6 years ago there was talk of them falling apart.
    i can't find it, but i remember it.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to MRO on Thursday, September 22, 2022 18:59:09
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Sep 22 2022 03:55 pm

    It's not that the keyboard came loose.. It was that the keyboard
    didn't stay in position when moved. If you picked it up, the keyboard
    would flop down, so you had to also hold the keyboard when moving it,
    or fold it up, and then put it back in place after you move it.

    so how is this a problem.
    that's how it was designed.

    Not much of a problem, just a little more annoying to move than a laptop. Laptop keyboards/monitors don't flop around when you move them.

    Nightfox

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  • From Charles Blackburn@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Friday, September 23, 2022 07:13:44
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Sep 22 2022 18:59:09

    didn't stay in position when moved. If you picked it up, the keyboard
    would flop down, so you had to also hold the keyboard when moving it,
    or fold it up, and then put it back in place after you move it.

    yea that would suck ass... although in these days of 3d printers, you might be able to print something that stops it :D

    Not much of a problem, just a little more annoying to move than a laptop. Laptop keyboards/monitors don't flop around when
    you move them.

    oh i dunno about that.. I have a couple of dell laptops here with overworked hinges where the screen doesnt stay in one position without a book behind it lol

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to MRO on Friday, September 23, 2022 10:19:43
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Sep 22 2022 03:49 pm

    you can expect what you want, but you have to do your homework.
    i knew having fidonet would require extra work and software.

    i wouldn't use d'bridge though. EWWWW

    i use irex and radius. much better.

    D'Bridge was what Searchlight support recommended. I don't remember if Irex or Radius was free or paid back then. Maybe there were some shareware mailers? Back then everyone was on the software ban wagon looking to make a killing. I was in the Internet side of things working support for an ISP. Once I starting using the net I knew the BBS world would be a thing of the past. ftp and irc took the world by storm. lol

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to HusTler on Friday, September 23, 2022 09:04:34
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: HusTler to MRO on Fri Sep 23 2022 10:19 am

    D'Bridge was what Searchlight support recommended. I don't remember if Irex or Radius was free or paid back then. Maybe there were some shareware mailers?

    In the 90s, I used to use FrontDoor for my FTN mailer, which seemed like a good one. I think it was shareware. A lot of RemoteAccess BBSes seemed to use FrontDoor, but I imagine it would work for any DOS-based BBS software.

    Nightfox

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  • From Moondog@1:103/705 to MRO on Friday, September 23, 2022 10:20:00
    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Sep 22 2022 03:55 pm

    Re: Commercial Synchronet
    By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Sep 22 2022 09:30 am


    It's not that the keyboard came loose.. It was that the keyboard didn't stay in position when moved. If you picked it up, the keyboard would flo down, so you had to also hold the keyboard when moving it, or fold it up, and then put it back in place after you move it.


    so how is this a problem.
    that's how it was designed.

    I think he wants some form of tension, like from a spring loaded hinge
    assembly on a standard laptop. A Surface needs a prop or kickstand on the
    back to hold up the display.

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