• Connection Refused

    From Thom LaCosta@1:153/7715.25 to All on Monday, February 27, 2023 06:44:05
    //Hello All,//

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta
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  • From Mike Dippel@3:712/1321.5 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 10:01:04
    On 2/27/2023 6:49 AM, Thom LaCosta wrote to All:

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use
    the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the
    firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall
    disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities
    work with no problems

    Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta

    If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go to https://www.dynu.com/
    and create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS records that should
    take you right to your site.

    You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where the domain
    name resides to the ones they assign you.

    They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associated with it up to
    date in case it changes for any reason.

    Mike Dippel

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 10:51:12
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 am

    //Hello All,//

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta

    you need to trouble shooot it more. make sure you are using the correct settings. make sure your router is setup correctly. make sure you isp does not block that port

    teamviewer works through a firewall, so that means nothing.
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Mike Dippel on Monday, February 27, 2023 10:52:09
    Re: RE: Connection Refused
    By: Mike Dippel to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:01 am

    If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go to https://www.dynu.com/
    and create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS records that should
    take you right to your site.

    You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where the domain
    name resides to the ones they assign you.

    They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associated with it up to
    date in case it changes for any reason.

    Mike Dippel

    will that make his bbs connectable?
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  • From dragon@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 12:25:30
    On 2/27/2023 06:44, Thom LaCosta wrote:
    //Hello All,//

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta
    --- WinPoint 415.0
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    � Synchronet � Vertrauen � Home of Synchronet � [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net

    What is your external IP address?

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 10:50:17
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 am

    //Hello All,//

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router.

    Are you trying to connect from the same computer as the BBS itself? That will only work (connecting to the public/WAN address) if your router/gateway support s hairpinning correctly. Does it?

    I have added synchronet
    to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Any suggestions? Thanks: Thom LaCosta

    Use tools like this to see if your ports are remotely accessible: http://vert.synchro.net/scanmyports.ssjs
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  • From Mike Dippel@3:712/1321.6 to MRO on Monday, February 27, 2023 14:30:00
    On 27 Feb 2023, MRO said the following...

    Re: RE: Connection Refused
    By: Mike Dippel to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:01 am

    If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go to https://www.dynu.com/
    and create a free account. They will assign you a new set of DNS recor that should
    take you right to your site.

    You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where domain
    name resides to the ones they assign you.

    They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associ with it up to
    date in case it changes for any reason.

    Mike Dippel

    will that make his bbs connectable?
    ---

    Works for me. I run my Mystic system from home and get a lot of action (most of it bots) but it does work. Just using a domain name gets them in without having to add anything else to the string like synchro.net or whatever.

    Mike Dippel

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  • From Lmorchard@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 17:39:32
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 am

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled. Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Have you by chance tried configuring a different port number for the BBS? Not sure what ISP you're using, but mine basically blocks all incoming traffic for common ports like 22 / 23 / 80 / 443.

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Mike Dippel on Monday, February 27, 2023 15:03:38
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Mike Dippel to MRO on Mon Feb 27 2023 02:30 pm

    Works for me. I run my Mystic system from home and get a lot of action (most of it bots) but it does work. Just using a domain name gets them in without having to add anything else to the string like synchro.net or whatever.


    no, his bbs is not connectable. that is the issue.
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  • From Android8675@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Monday, February 27, 2023 11:21:13
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44 am

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an
    internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router.
    Your router should have an option for "Port Forwarding", so if you "telnet" to your external IP you need to make sure your router routes any requests for Port 23 (telnet://yourip) to the correct computer on your network.

    If you're using SSH, that uses port 22 by default,. Rlogin is 513. The ports are listed. You should only open what you need and best to configure sbbs to listen for telnet on a non-normal port.

    I have added
    synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to connect with the firewall disabled.
    Other "remote" operatuions, such as Teamviewer and Remote Utilities work with no problems

    Your firewall just blocks stuff that gets to your computer. Your internet traffic is getting blocked by your router, and as stated, teamviewer uses an external server to route traffic past your router, and is insecure as "eff". Seriously, delete that shit.

    Good tool for checking to make sure your local network has the right ports open (and none you don't want open) is http://nmap.org, but this won't help you get traffic from outside your network.

    What DM suggested using "scanmyports.ssjs" from your BBS system is what you want to do.

    Also keep in mind sometimes ISPs just block Ports because it's easier than dealing with rampent compromised systems and unprotected smtp relaying.

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Mike Dippel on Tuesday, February 28, 2023 01:07:00
    Mike,

    If you have a domain name associated with it, I would go to https://www.dynu.com/ and create a free account. They will assign you
    a new set of DNS records that should take you right to your site.

    You would just have to edit the DNS records in your Control Panel where the domain name resides to the ones they assign you.

    They also provide a free software download that will keep the IP associated with it up to date in case it changes for any reason.

    I use them for the alternate domain of wx4qzbbs.ddnsfree.com to go with tbolt.synchro.net

    When I start the BBS computer (after being down for thunderstorms, which
    are likely here Wednesday into Friday, with a risk of severe weather (it's Tornado Season in Arkansas now)), I start PeerBlock first...then the DYNU client, then the Synchronet Control Panel.

    Daryl

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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Thom LaCosta on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 07:02:45
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Thom LaCosta to All on Mon Feb 27 2023 06:44:05

    Fresh install of current version of Synchronet. While I can connect with no problems to it when using an internal IP address, I can not connect if III use the external address presented by the router. I have added synchronet to the firewall rules, opened port 23 and even attempted to

    Are you using the external IP from inside your network? That could be an issue with your router configuration that doesn't allow return connections in that way.

    Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internet provider connection, many/most providers block common server ports from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323 and see if that works instead... you can probably just change the port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.


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    tracker1@roughneckbbs.com

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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 07:18:48
    Re: Connection Refused
    By: Digital Man to Thom LaCosta on Mon Feb 27 2023 10:50:17

    Use tools like this to see if your ports are remotely accessible: http://vert.synchro.net/scanmyports.ssjs

    Might be worth looking up both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses... I setup https://ipv4.bbs.land and https://ipv6.bbs.land to return the requesting IP, and added appropriate CORS headers so that it can be called from any domain inside a browser.


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    +o roughneckbbs.com
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  • From Grease@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 17:28:00
    On 03-01-23 07:02, Tracker1 mumbled to Thom LaCosta about Connection Refused.

    Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internet
    provider connection, many/most providers block common server ports
    from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323
    and see if that works instead... you can probably just change the
    port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the host
    on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.

    Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how do you do this?




    Grease
    Supreme High Potentate
    Dark Matter BBS


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Grease on Wednesday, March 01, 2023 22:31:50
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 05:28 pm

    Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how do you do this?

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking that port, I'd guess.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Grease on Thursday, March 02, 2023 01:54:07
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 05:28 pm

    Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how do you do this?


    hahaha

    portforward.com probably
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thursday, March 02, 2023 05:51:00
    Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking
    that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.



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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, March 02, 2023 15:14:42
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 05:51 am

    Nightfox wrote to Grease <=-

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.



    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential you should not be running servers.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to MRO on Thursday, March 02, 2023 15:45:08
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:14 pm

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is
    blocking that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential you should not be running servers.

    Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS is technically a server.

    The only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" with residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money by charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have the restrictions that their residential internet service has.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to MRO on Thursday, March 02, 2023 17:35:00
    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential
    you should not be running servers.

    Why not?



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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thursday, March 02, 2023 18:16:22
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:45 pm

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential

    you
    should not be running servers.

    Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS is technically a server.

    because what you are buying isnt intended to be used in that way.
    that's why some isps block ports. that's why most of the residential ips are on spam block lists. so you cant spam people by running an email SERVER at home.

    i had some clown [foxriver.net] report me as a spammer when he signed up for my email mailing list. my isp investigated me and saw that i wasn't running anything commercial so they flagged my account as being okay.

    not only THAT, but what he reported was on a commercial hosted server. i had an unrelated bbs running at home.

    anyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy business internet access.

    that's the way it is.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to MRO on Thursday, March 02, 2023 19:16:13
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 06:16 pm

    Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS is
    technically a server.

    because what you are buying isnt intended to be used in that way.
    that's why some isps block ports. that's why most of the residential ips are on spam block lists. so you cant spam people by running an email SERVER at home.

    anyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy business internet access.

    My BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Friday, March 03, 2023 07:12:20
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 07:16 pm


    anyways, if you are running a server you probably should buy business internet access.

    My BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.


    yeah but you are providing services to other people and doing something out of the norm. so that's how they see it.
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  • From Chad Adams@1:19/40 to MRO on Friday, March 03, 2023 09:14:19
    So if I want to run a irc server, i have to buy internet that costs hundreds of dollars? IRC is a server.. Technically, BBSs are telnet and ssh servers.

    nah, I dont buy it. Its all so companies can charge more money so they
    block certain ports. Only mail can I even seen an argue, but that was
    really back in the day when everyone had an open relay. What you choose
    to do with the internet service you buy is your business.
    /rant

    -Nugax (cbbs)


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  • From John Guillory@1:103/705 to MRO on Friday, March 03, 2023 09:45:00
    My BBS is a hobby. I'm not running a business from home.
    yeah but you are providing services to other people and doing something out of the norm. so that's how they see it.

    I actually had a jerk at an ISP try to tell me providing telnet access to my BBS was providing their internet to others who telnet'ed in to my BBS! What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talking about, just shut up, rather than show the proof!

    John H. Guillory
    call sign KF5QEO
    URL: kf5qeo.servebbs.net
    KF5QEO's Shack BBS

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  • From DaiTengu@1:103/705 to MRO on Friday, March 03, 2023 10:46:19
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:14 pm

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is
    blocking that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential you should not be running servers.

    Lots of ISPs do it for "security". There are a lot of old wifi routers out there that just allowed telnet access via the public IP, and most people didn't change the default login.

    DaiTengu

    ...Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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  • From DaiTengu@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Friday, March 03, 2023 10:57:19
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 03:45 pm

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is
    blocking that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if
    they start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    i can understand why they would block it. if you have residential
    you should not be running servers.

    Why is that? Running a BBS is just a hobby for us, and our BBS is technically a server.

    The only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" with residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money by charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have the restrictions that their residential internet service has.

    ISPs have been blocking ports for years. The public line is that it's "for security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a default login/pass. SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk having their IP address space associated with spam.

    I get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on port 23, so I guess I can see why they would want to do this.

    Some ISPs will also block 80, 443, 21, 22, and 53 as well.

    Those are the ISPs That will then try to upsell you to business class to get those ports unblocked.

    DaiTengu

    ...Distrust your first impressions; they are invariably too favorable.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to John Guillory on Friday, March 03, 2023 09:41:18
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: John Guillory to MRO on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:45 am

    I actually had a jerk at an ISP try to tell me providing telnet access to my BBS was providing their internet to others who telnet'ed in to my BBS! What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talking about, just shut up, rather than show the proof!

    Maybe he doesn't understand what a BBS is. You're not providing access to the whole internet. If someone wants to get general like that, running a BBS is more akin to running a web site of some sort.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Chad Adams on Friday, March 03, 2023 16:38:04
    Re: Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Chad Adams to MRO on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:14 am

    So if I want to run a irc server, i have to buy internet that costs hundreds of dollars? IRC is a server.. Technically, BBSs are telnet and ssh servers.


    irc is an even bigger threat. they equate that with botnets and attacks.

    really back in the day when everyone had an open relay. What you choose
    to do with the internet service you buy is your business.

    that's the way you feel about it. the people that hold the keys have a different viewpoint.
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Friday, March 03, 2023 16:41:56
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Mar 03 2023 10:57 am

    ISPs have been blocking ports for years. The public line is that it's "for security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a default login/pass. SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk having their IP address space associated with spam.

    I get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on port 23, so I guess I can see why they would want to do this.

    Some ISPs will also block 80, 443, 21, 22, and 53 as well.

    Those are the ISPs That will then try to upsell you to business class to get those ports unblocked.


    their points are valid. i've talked to techs at my isp who weren't dumb asses about it. when you finally get forwarded to a local number from the indians.

    with me they were okay with me running a website and the other stuff because it was free. i dont think they knew i had email and forwarded through them.

    but i understand their side. especially from a security standpoint. hobbyst users usually don't know how to safeguard their system. some don't even know how to open a port. there was a guy that was on dovenet for years that could never figure out how to forward his router correctly. he asked many times.
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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Friday, March 03, 2023 16:47:20
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to John Guillory on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:41 am

    BBS! What a moron! I mean if you don't know what the hell your talking about, just shut up, rather than show the proof!

    Maybe he doesn't understand what a BBS is. You're not providing access to the whole internet. If someone wants to get general like that, running a BBS is more akin to running a web site of some sort.


    if you explain what a bbs is that makes it even more scarey.



    there's a sysop i used to know who's father was the country coroner. he was a famous guy and in the news a lot and he was on court tv all the time as an expert. The son did the hosting for dad's website.

    the son ran a bbs, and some reporter found the bbs and all those krad ansis.
    it blew up and they made it into a scandal like the son was running thepiratebay or some shit. The father ended up being embarassed by it.
    reporters even showed up at his house and knocked on the door.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to DaiTengu on Friday, March 03, 2023 21:46:51
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Mar 03 2023 10:57 am

    ISPs have been blocking ports for years.
    SMTP is disallowed because an ISP doesn't want to risk having
    their IP address space associated with spam.

    I'm aware.

    The public line is that it's "for
    security". Lots of old wifi routers left port 23 open with a default login/pass.

    What would you be telnetting to (what was port 23 open to)? The router itself? I could see a router providing access to a command-line for administration, but it would probably be best on a non-standard port, and probably not open to the public.
    I've seen some 3rd-party router firmware have an option to allow remote configuration via its web interface though.. I had a router with Tomato firmware that had an option for that. You could disable it though so it would only be available via your internal network.

    I get quite a few bots/worms trying to log into my BBS every day on port 23, so I guess I can see why they would want to do this.

    I know some ISPs block certain ports, but at least since I started running Synchronet in 2007, I haven't had an ISP that blocked port 23 or the other standard ports (except maybe SMTP).

    Nightfox

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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Grease on Saturday, March 04, 2023 19:30:21
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 17:28:00

    Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internet
    provider connection, many/most providers block common server ports
    from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323
    and see if that works instead... you can probably just change the
    port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the
    host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.

    Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how do you do this?

    I'd just use 2323 for telnet, if that was my main interest. In your router, where you configure port forwarding, just change the listening port to 2323, and the destination ip/port to your internal address, and port 23. You can usually configure both separately.

    If you are comfortable with Linux, I'd suggest using a VPS host. This is what I'm actually running on myself (4gb linux host on DigitalOcean, but there are less expensive options). If you really want to run locally, you can use a gateway service like ngrok, which will route an accessible IP to your internal system for use.


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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, March 04, 2023 19:33:13
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 05:51:00

    If port 23 isn't letting people through, maybe your ISP is blocking
    that port, I'd guess.

    I hope not. It's bad enough having ISPs blanket-block SMTP, if they
    start blocking telnet that would really suck.

    I'm not aware of any ISP blocking outbound port 23... most cable internet providers block inbound though. I know a lot of ISPs do block outbound port 25, but most mail providers have TLS/Submit open for authenticated smtp use.


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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Saturday, March 04, 2023 19:40:38
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Mar 02 2023 15:45:08

    The only reason I can think why we "shouldn't run servers" with residential internet is because ISPs would want to make more money by charging more for "business" internet service, which doesn't have the restrictions that their residential internet service has.

    That generally seems to be the case... and for the price difference, at least for me... it's cheaper to just pay for a VPS to run the BBS on separately.


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  • From Brokenmind@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Monday, March 06, 2023 15:17:36
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:46 pm

    I know some ISPs block certain ports, but at least since I started running Synchronet in 2007, I haven't had an ISP that blocked port 23 or the other standard ports (except maybe SMTP).

    Nightfox

    I use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMPT ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert. they did however allow you to relay mail though an email address by authenticating with the user name and password but they blocked that also a few years ago

    BrokenMind

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Brokenmind on Monday, March 06, 2023 23:46:31
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Brokenmind to Nightfox on Mon Mar 06 2023 03:17 pm

    I use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMPT ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert. they did however allow you to relay mail though an email address by authenticating with the user name and password but they blocked that also a few years ago

    I'm not sure about how it is exactly now, but it seems that over the years comcast has several different ways of handling open ports and whether it does bandwidth limiting depending on the region.

    Some people i know have no caps and can do whatever they want. some have horrible experiences with comcast.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Brokenmind on Tuesday, March 07, 2023 08:40:35
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Brokenmind to Nightfox on Mon Mar 06 2023 03:17 pm

    I use comcast using a residental account and they do block port 80 , SMTP ports. Like most others I am thankfull i can relay my email though vert.

    Interesting.. I used to use Comcast residential, and the only port they blocked was SMTP. Port 80 worked fine at the time.

    Nightfox

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  • From Brokenmind@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wednesday, March 08, 2023 14:18:22
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Tue Mar 07 2023 08:40 am

    Interesting.. I used to use Comcast residential, and the only port they blocked was SMTP. Port 80 worked fine at the time.

    Could have been back when you used there ISP but it's been that way for me since they took over Adelphia which was around 13 years or so and could have been your area.

    BrokenMind

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  • From Brokenmind@1:103/705 to MRO on Wednesday, March 08, 2023 14:14:51
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: MRO to Brokenmind on Mon Mar 06 2023 11:46 pm

    I'm not sure about how it is exactly now, but it seems that over the years comcast has several different ways of handling open ports and whether it does bandwidth limiting depending on the region.

    Some people i know have no caps and can do whatever they want. some have horrible experiences with comcast.

    Comcast has great service in my area but it's been the monopoly in this area since were in a rural area the central pa area , the upper dauphin area about hr north of harrisburg when it comes to cable internet. dial up and DSL frontier have been the only access to the internet expect for satellite service. However frontier is uping there game in are area with a new fiber service however i have not tried it out as of yet. Comcast coustomer service and technical service is a nightmare but there techs that come to your home if need be are great. I have there blast service with around 900 mbps down and around 45mps up which is ok for my needs butt again just useing a residental account also

    BrokenMind

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Brokenmind on Wednesday, March 08, 2023 11:46:58
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Brokenmind to MRO on Wed Mar 08 2023 02:14 pm

    with around 900 mbps down and around 45mps up which is ok for my needs butt again just useing a residental account also

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.

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  • From MRO@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wednesday, March 08, 2023 17:33:07
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 am

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.

    i'm in a big city and my upload sucks. it's just how they cap you.
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Thursday, March 09, 2023 11:08:00
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Tracker1 to Grease on Sat Mar 04 2023 07:30 pm

    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Grease to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 01 2023 17:28:00

    Aside: If you're on a residential (especially cable) internet
    provider connection, many/most providers block common server ports
    from inbound connections. Try a higher/alternate port, such as 2323
    and see if that works instead... you can probably just change the
    port forward in your router to listen on 2323 and forward to the
    host on 23, so you don't need to change the BBS's config.

    Sorry to hijack. I may have this same problem. Port 23 is not letting traffic in. I know all routers are different, but in a generic way, how you do this?

    I'd just use 2323 for telnet, if that was my main interest. In your router, eparately.

    If you are comfortable with Linux, I'd suggest using a VPS host. This is wh grok, which will route an accessible IP to your internal system for use.


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    +o roughneckbbs.com
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    I port forward port 24 to the bbs on port 24 by the internal IP of the bbs machine. 1:275/100. 1:275/1000 is not available from outside, inside only and 'Shenk's Wandering Star' note (tiering with 4 others).

    Works flawlessly.

    xxcarol

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  • From Brokenmind@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Saturday, March 11, 2023 11:50:08
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 am

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.
    I will have to look into that thank you

    BrokenMind

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thursday, March 09, 2023 06:55:00
    Nightfox wrote to Brokenmind <=-

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed
    for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download
    and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.

    I need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple of
    terabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidth
    cap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.

    Who do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?





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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, March 11, 2023 20:59:24
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 09 2023 06:55 am

    I need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple of terabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidth cap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.

    Who do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?

    I have Ziply Fiber. As far as I can tell, they don't have any monthly bandwidth caps.
    I'm not sure Ziply Fiber is a widespread ISP though.. From what I've seen, it seems they may be mostly operating in northwest Oregon and in Washington. Ziply took over Frontier Fiber here a few years ago (and Frontier had taken over Verizon Fios here in 2010).

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  • From Moondog@1:103/705 to MRO on Sunday, April 09, 2023 12:04:00
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Mar 08 2023 05:33 pm

    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: Nightfox to Brokenmind on Wed Mar 08 2023 11:46 am

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed fo both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.

    i'm in a big city and my upload sucks. it's just how they cap you.

    This weekend I watched a travel blog to the Maldives, and the country developed a new tourist city by dredging dirt and sand from the ocean and building a new city on it. The big draw is when the city was built, gigabit fiber was ran everywere. In reality the reviewer discovered it is not operational everywhere due to the price the provider charges for gigabit access. The telco or development partner who ran the fiber is monopolized,
    so they charge ridiulous prices knowing there is no alternative matching their
    speed.

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  • From Moondog@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, April 24, 2023 15:29:00
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Mar 09 2023 06:55 am

    Nightfox wrote to Brokenmind <=-

    Since 2015 I've been using fiber internet, which offers the same speed for both download and upload. Having such a wide gap between download and upload speed seems weird to me now.. With fiber, even if you have speed as high as gigabit, the gigabit speed is both for upload and download.

    I need to bite the bullet and get fiber. I'm sitting on a couple of terabytes of data I'd love to sync with the cloud, but with a bandwidth
    cap and 20 mbps upload speed on cable, it'd be painful.

    Who do you have, and do they have monthly bandwidth caps?





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    An electrical co-op north of me is pulling fiber into my area. I'm waiting
    now for to be run down my street. The company is paying $75,000 a mile for running fiber. I think they got it through government funding during Covid.
    My area is a broad band no man's land. ATT won't invest in enhancing infrast ructure and Comcast will not spend $10,000 a mile to run cable down a road that has less than 20 houses per mile. On the half mile section I live on there are 4 houses separated by corn fields. I'm going to stick with Hughesnet until the fiber is run. Starlink has a long waiting list in my
    area and the price jumps for the price of a reciver and dish. At first they were priced at $500 fo rthe dish, now the price has increased to $750. At first they said no bandwidth caps,but now in reality they say it's necessary.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Moondog on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 07:02:00
    Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    My area is a broad band no man's land. ATT won't invest in enhancing infrast ructure and Comcast will not spend $10,000 a mile to run cable down a road that has less than 20 houses per mile. On the half mile section I live on there are 4 houses separated by corn fields. I'm
    going to stick with Hughesnet until the fiber is run. Starlink has a
    long waiting list in my area and the price jumps for the price of a reciver and dish. At first they were priced at $500 fo rthe dish, now
    the price has increased to $750. At first they said no bandwidth
    caps,but now in reality they say it's necessary.


    AT&T FIber just moved in, but because of the street I'm on, AT&T fiber
    hangs lowest of all of the cables, and my neighbor's cable has been
    clipped by trucks thrice. It's taken 4-5 days to repair it each time -
    they roll a mid-sized pickup truck with a 6 foot ladder out with no
    chance of repairing it to meet the SLA, then call it in to escalate.



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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 25, 2023 13:31:08
    Re: Re: Connection Refused
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 07:02 am

    AT&T FIber just moved in, but because of the street I'm on, AT&T fiber

    Interesting, I didn't know AT&T was doing fiber these days. AT&T had cable internet service in my area about 20 years ago (theirs was my first broadband internet service), and then that ended up being acquired by Comcast.

    Nightfox

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