• Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido

    From Gregz@1:103/705 to all on Saturday, April 04, 2020 13:55:47
    My scinet is the only one that has daily's and the .flo showing stuck in there after binkit runs both as a timed event and when I run it manually. It is the only outbound that I cannot get those files to be deleted after being sent.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Gregz on Saturday, April 04, 2020 15:15:40
    Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to all on Sat Apr 04 2020 01:55 pm

    My scinet is the only one that has daily's and the .flo showing stuck in there after binkit runs both as a timed event and when I run it manually.
    It is the only outbound that I cannot get those files to be deleted after being sent.

    We'll need more details, like the actual file/directory names, some log output,
    etc.

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Gregz on Sunday, April 05, 2020 10:51:48
    Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to all on Sat Apr 04 2020 13:55:47


    Gregz> My scinet is the only one that has daily's and the .flo showing
    Gregz> stuck in there after binkit runs both as a timed event and when
    Gregz> I run it manually. It is the only outbound that I cannot get
    Gregz> those files to be deleted after being sent.

    you need to look in your mailer logs and see if it has been able to transmit that file...

    also, what's the file size of that file? if it is zero, it may be that you had set the mailer to truncate those types of files instead of deleting it...

    so here's the thing with FTN mailers and whether they delete or truncate sent mail bundles...

    1. if the mailer deletes the file (eg: 0abcdef.mo1) then the tosser
    will create the next one with the same name and extension. so
    your tosser and mailer will always be working with the same mail
    bundle file name for the same system. if the file has not been
    transmitted before the next tosser run, the tosser will add more
    pkts to the bundle.

    2. if the mailer truncates the file (eg: 0abcdef.mo1) then the
    tosser will increment the extension by one up to the max it
    is allowed to per day.

    eg: 0abcdef.mo1 0abcdef.mo2 0abcdef.mo3 0abcdef.mo4 0abcdef.mo5

    then at midnight, the tosser will start creating bundles from 1
    (one) again but for the new day. if a bundle has not been
    transmitted by the next tosser run, the tosser may add pkts to
    the existing bundle file or it may place them in a second
    bundle with the extension incremented.

    so either way is fine and affects how the tosser creates bundles and where it adds new outbound pkts. remember, zero byte files do not take any drive space so there's no problem with having them...


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  • From Gregz@1:103/705 to Rampage on Sunday, April 05, 2020 22:01:21
    Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to all on Sat Apr 04 2020 13:55:47

    Gregz> My scinet is the only one that has daily's and the .flo showing
    Gregz> stuck in there after binkit runs both as a timed event and when
    Gregz> I run it manually. It is the only outbound that I cannot get
    Gregz> those files to be deleted after being sent.

    you need to look in your mailer logs and see if it has been able to transmit that file...

    also, what's the file size of that file? if it is zero, it may be that you had set the mailer to truncate those types of files instead of deleting it...

    so here's the thing with FTN mailers and whether they delete or truncate sent mail bundles...

    1. if the mailer deletes the file (eg: 0abcdef.mo1) then the tosser
    will create the next one with the same name and extension. so
    your tosser and mailer will always be working with the same mail
    bundle file name for the same system. if the file has not been
    transmitted before the next tosser run, the tosser will add more
    pkts to the bundle.

    2. if the mailer truncates the file (eg: 0abcdef.mo1) then the
    tosser will increment the extension by one up to the max it
    is allowed to per day.

    eg: 0abcdef.mo1 0abcdef.mo2 0abcdef.mo3 0abcdef.mo4 0abcdef.mo5

    then at midnight, the tosser will start creating bundles from 1
    (one) again but for the new day. if a bundle has not been
    transmitted by the next tosser run, the tosser may add pkts to
    the existing bundle file or it may place them in a second
    bundle with the extension incremented.

    so either way is fine and affects how the tosser creates bundles and where it adds new outbound pkts. remember, zero byte files do not take any drive space so there's no problem with having them...

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    I am showing that it is not even touching my fido/outbound.04d directory when I checked the logs. The files are around 12kb and all end with 0. The Flo shows all of the outbound listed.

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Gregz on Monday, April 06, 2020 10:20:48
    Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Rampage on Sun Apr 05 2020 22:01:21


    Gregz> I am showing that it is not even touching my fido/outbound.04d
    Gregz> directory when I checked the logs.

    check the message base definition and ensure that those scinet echos are using your proper scinet address... do the same for your fidonet echos, too...

    Gregz> The files are around 12kb and all end with 0.

    so you're saying they're all something like

    deadbeef.mo0
    deadbeef.tu0
    deadbeef.we0

    Gregz> The Flo shows all of the outbound listed.

    not sure what you're trying to say here...


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  • From Al@1:153/757 to Gregz on Monday, April 06, 2020 14:31:30
    Hello Gregz,

    connecting to 21:100/1@fsxnet at undefined
    Connecting to 21:100/1@fsxnet at f1.n100.z21.fsxnet.nz:24554
    Connection to f1.n100.z21.fsxnet.nz:24554 failed (Error: System
    error).

    21:1/100 is on port 24556. If you add that port for that node in echocfg I think it'll work as expected.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Gregz on Monday, April 06, 2020 17:29:45
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Gamgee on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:42 pm

    I cannot imagine any possible need to be editing a .flo file...

    It's quite clear that the obvious error here is your
    misconfiguration of your hub address.

    It's not 21:100/1

    It's 21:1/100

    Fix that and see if everything works properly...

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    I finally figured that one out. Now I am getting issues with the nodelists for Fidonet and Micronet, when running jsexec binkit -p

    Packing Outbound NetMail from /sbbs/data/fido/netmail/*.msg ...
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening minftn
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) opening NODELIST.NA
    Writing 0 areas to ../data/badareas.lst
    Deleting /sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.bsy (from line 3038)
    SBBSecho (PID 31538) exiting with error level 0


    This was when I started to use the new sbbsecho.ini.

    Look in your sbbsecho.ini for "NODELIST.NA" and "minftn", whatever those are, and remove them. Maybe you were trying to configure echolists?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Gregz on Monday, April 06, 2020 20:10:16
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Gamgee on Mon Apr 06 2020 09:47 pm

    For some reason the echolists was still populated in echocfg, even though I had cleared them.

    Can you reproduce this problem?

    digital man

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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Gregz on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 07:13:00
    Gregz wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You don't actually even need a nodelist if you have your uplinks
    and domains configured properly. You need to take a close look at
    your sbbsecho.ini file, and correct all the mistakes in there.
    It's telling you right there above that it can't find those files,
    so you probably have a typo somewhere. Besides that, the name
    NODELIST.NA doesn't make any sense. Nodelists are numbered
    something like NODELIST.087 or something. Not .NA.

    Have you looked at these pages on the Wiki:

    http://wiki.synchro.net/config:sbbsecho.ini

    http://wiki.synchro.net/util:sbbsecho

    For some reason the echolists was still populated in echocfg,
    even though I had cleared them. I finally got them to delete
    after many hours of pulling my hair out.

    OK, well I still don't really understand how "echolists" got
    intertwined with "nodelists". But anyway...

    Another thing to consider is that you are not *required* to use
    echocfg. I prefer to just manually edit sbbsecho.ini with a
    standard text editor. Probably would have been much easier to
    solve this particular issue with that method.



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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Rampage on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 07:16:00
    Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gamgee to Gregz on Mon Apr 06 2020 19:30:00

    Gamgee> It's telling you right there above that it can't find
    those files,
    Gamgee> so you probably have a typo somewhere. Besides that,
    the name
    Gamgee> NODELIST.NA doesn't make any sense. Nodelists are
    numbered
    Gamgee> something like NODELIST.087 or something. Not .NA.

    you're right... it doesn't make sense... there wasn't anything
    like that in the corrected sbbsecho.ini file that i sent back to
    him...

    on the nodelist numbering, they won't be numbered if you use
    tickit to unpack them and copy them to a nodelist directory for
    binkit to use ;)

    Hmmmmm, still confusing... Unless you meant to say they won't be
    numbered *UNLESS* you use tickit... instead of *IF* you use
    tickit... ;-)



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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:21:46
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gamgee to Gregz on Tue Apr 07 2020 07:13:00


    Gamgee> Another thing to consider is that you are not *required* to use
    Gamgee> echocfg. I prefer to just manually edit sbbsecho.ini with a
    Gamgee> standard text editor. Probably would have been much easier to
    Gamgee> solve this particular issue with that method.

    one also needs to understand the layout and know the possible valid values for some options when manually editing sbbsecho.ini... it is definitely not something a newcomer should attempt ;)


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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Gamgee on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 12:31:59
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gamgee to Rampage on Tue Apr 07 2020 07:16:00


    on the nodelist numbering, they won't be numbered if you use
    tickit to unpack them and copy them to a nodelist directory for
    binkit to use ;)

    Gamgee> Hmmmmm, still confusing... Unless you meant to say they won't be
    Gamgee> numbered *UNLESS* you use tickit... instead of *IF* you use
    Gamgee> tickit... ;-)

    no... tickit's nodelist file management tool extracts the file from the archive
    and renames it to an exact file name... neither tickit or binkit have the ability to figure out a numerical julian day nodelist extension so the easiest thing is what it/they
    for example, all of my Z1DAILY.Zxx archives are opened and the internal Z1DAILY.xxx file is extracted, renamed to fidonet.txt, and placed in my /sbbs/ftn/nodelist directory...

    if i were using binkit, then binkit would read /sbbs/ftn/nodelist/fidonet.txt for the contact information of a node not in my linked nodes...

    since i'm currently using binkd, my binkd nodelist compiling script reads fidonet.txt and creates a binkd node listing file that binkd uses...

    the same is done for all of the nodelists i have...

    $ ls -la /sbbs/ftn/nodelist
    total 356
    drwx------ 2 sbbs sbbs 4096 Feb 28 11:47 .
    drwxrwxrwx 7 sbbs sbbs 4096 Apr 1 08:01 ..
    -rw------- 1 sbbs sbbs 164926 Apr 7 00:57 fidonet.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 68829 Apr 1 08:00 mybinkd.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 2863 Apr 1 08:00 myerrors.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 110 Mar 20 09:38 myvkradioerrors.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 20186 Mar 20 09:38 myvkradio.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 23781 Apr 6 10:06 vkradio.txt



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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Rampage on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 13:28:00
    Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gamgee to Gregz on Tue Apr 07 2020 07:13:00


    Gamgee> Another thing to consider is that you are not *required*
    to use
    Gamgee> echocfg. I prefer to just manually edit sbbsecho.ini
    with a
    Gamgee> standard text editor. Probably would have been much
    easier to
    Gamgee> solve this particular issue with that method.

    one also needs to understand the layout and know the possible
    valid values for some options when manually editing
    sbbsecho.ini... it is definitely not something a newcomer should
    attempt ;)

    True enough! Helps a lot to have the Wiki page(s) open while
    editing... :-)



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  • From Gamgee@1:103/705 to Rampage on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 13:57:00
    Rampage wrote to Gamgee <=-

    on the nodelist numbering, they won't be numbered if you use
    tickit to unpack them and copy them to a nodelist directory for
    binkit to use ;)

    Gamgee> Hmmmmm, still confusing... Unless you meant to say they
    won't be
    Gamgee> numbered *UNLESS* you use tickit... instead of *IF* you
    use
    Gamgee> tickit... ;-)

    no... tickit's nodelist file management tool extracts the file
    from the archive and renames it to an exact file name... neither
    tickit or binkit have the ability to figure out a numerical
    julian day nodelist extension so the easiest thing is what
    it/they currently do...

    for example, all of my Z1DAILY.Zxx archives are opened and the
    internal Z1DAILY.xxx file is extracted, renamed to fidonet.txt,
    and placed in my /sbbs/ftn/nodelist directory...

    if i were using binkit, then binkit would read /sbbs/ftn/nodelist/fidonet.txt for the contact information of a
    node not in my linked nodes...

    since i'm currently using binkd, my binkd nodelist compiling
    script reads fidonet.txt and creates a binkd node listing file
    that binkd uses...

    the same is done for all of the nodelists i have...

    $ ls -la /sbbs/ftn/nodelist
    total 356
    drwx------ 2 sbbs sbbs 4096 Feb 28 11:47 .
    drwxrwxrwx 7 sbbs sbbs 4096 Apr 1 08:01 ..
    -rw------- 1 sbbs sbbs 164926 Apr 7 00:57 fidonet.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 68829 Apr 1 08:00 mybinkd.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 2863 Apr 1 08:00 myerrors.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 110 Mar 20 09:38 myvkradioerrors.txt
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 20186 Mar 20 09:38 myvkradio.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 23781 Apr 6 10:06 vkradio.txt


    Ahhh, OK, I see what you meant. The "Nodelist Handler" script
    stuff. I don't even bother with those, I just occasionally unzip
    a regular Nodelist (NODELIST.Z87) and get NODELIST.087, and then
    copy that to my nodelist directory (and edit it's reference line).
    That's why I was focused in on the "numbered" nodelists... All good.
    :-)


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  • From Gregz@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 16:34:28
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Gamgee on Mon Apr 06 2020 05:42 pm

    Look in your sbbsecho.ini for "NODELIST.NA" and "minftn", whatever those are, and remove them. Maybe you were trying to configure echolists?

    digital man

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    I had removed those entries and any changes for outbox, but they had still shown up in echocfg as never manually being changed in sbbsecho.ini.

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  • From Gregz@1:103/705 to Al on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 16:36:52
    Hello Gregz,

    21:1/100 is on port 24556. If you add that port for that node in echocfg I think it'll work as expected.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    I am on 21:4/100:24560.

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  • From Gregz@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 16:43:08
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Gamgee on Mon Apr 06 2020 09:47 pm

    Can you reproduce this problem?

    digital man

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    It was after I had updated my Developer edition that when I was working on tweaking the board, any changes that I had made manually in sbbsecho.ini was not reflecting in echocfg. I think that I have it now, just have to check the folders and logs every now and then. Lucky that I do not get any traffic besides myself just logging in, so doing these updates are not causing endusers any issues.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Gregz on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 15:02:32
    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Digital Man on Tue Apr 07 2020 04:43 pm

    Re: Re: Stuck outbound for scinet/Fido
    By: Gregz to Gamgee on Mon Apr 06 2020 09:47 pm

    Can you reproduce this problem?

    It was after I had updated my Developer edition that when I was working on tweaking the board, any changes that I had made manually in sbbsecho.ini was not reflecting in echocfg. I think that I have it now, just have to check the folders and logs every now and then. Lucky that I do not get any traffic besides myself just logging in, so doing these updates are not causing endusers any issues.

    Sorry, but I still can't tell: are you reporting a bug?

    digital man

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