Running linux version 3.17c, and noticing something odd if I do message scan for message to myself. Main Menu 'S'.

I'll choose to scan all groups, display subjext only, display unread messages only and it will find and display 3 message subject lines in this group to me.

If I do the scan but say N to display subjects only, I will get no results at all. I guess I thought the system might display the entire message, but the scan doesn't seem to 'hit' on these messages unless I answer Y to the display subjects only prompt.

Is this odd behavior or am I understanding the purpose of the 'display subject only' question?

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Hemo to All on Mon Apr 15 2019
02:13 pm

Running linux version 3.17c, and noticing something odd if I do message scan for message to myself. Main Menu 'S'.
I'll choose to scan all groups, display subjext only, display unread messages only and it will find and display 3 message subject lines in this group to me.
If I do the scan but say N to display subjects only, I will get no results at all. I guess I thought the system might display the entire message, but the scan doesn't seem to 'hit' on these messages unless I answer Y to the display subjects only prompt.

I find the same behavior when scanning the group.

I notice if I chose to just scan the Sub-board, then it seems to display the entire message if I answer N to 'display subjects only' question.

so it seems, to me, that scanning All or Group isn't finding/displaying the entire unread message if answering N to display subjects only, and also replying Y to displaying unread messages only.

Anyone else?

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Hemo to All on Mon Apr 15 2019 02:13 pm

Running linux version 3.17c, and noticing something odd if I do message scan for message to myself. Main Menu 'S'.

I'll choose to scan all groups, display subjext only, display unread messages only and it will find and display 3 message subject lines in this group to me.

If I do the scan but say N to display subjects only, I will get no results at all.

How did you answer the "unread messages only prompt" when you performed the second scan?

I guess I thought the system might display the entire message, but
the scan doesn't seem to 'hit' on these messages unless I answer Y to the display subjects only prompt.

It should. Or at least it's supposed to.

Is this odd behavior or am I understanding the purpose of the 'display subject only' question?

The "Display subjects only" prompt should do just that, only display the message to/from/subject details and not the entire message header and body text. Of course there is quite a different execution path when scanning/displaying only subjects like that, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug or difference in behavior, but I'm not seeing one.

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to Hemo on Mon Apr 22 2019 10:26 pm

Running linux version 3.17c, and noticing something odd if I do
message scan for message to myself. Main Menu 'S'.
I'll choose to scan all groups, display subjext only, display unread
messages only and it will find and display 3 message subject lines in
this group to me.

How did you answer the "unread messages only prompt" when you performed the second scan?

Always answering Yes to display Unread messages only.

I guess I thought the system might display the entire message, but
the scan doesn't seem to 'hit' on these messages unless I answer Y to
the display subjects only prompt.

It should. Or at least it's supposed to.

It did this time. sort of. When loggin in and performing the scan automatically, I answered No to display subjects only, and your reply in the FIDO-Net conference displayed the entire message. The same message in DOVE-Net did not display.

The "Display subjects only" prompt should do just that, only display the message to/from/subject details and not the entire message header and body text. Of course there is quite a different execution path when scanning/displaying only subjects like that, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug or difference in behavior, but I'm not seeing one.

So, I found that all interesting. Could it be the way I have DOVE-Net conference configured, or is there some sort of duplicate thing happening here that the system 'thinks' it has displayed this message to me, even though it is in another conference?

Below is some output from now performing the manual S scan from the main menu, keep in mind the FIDO-Net message has been displayed, but I have not 'read' the same message in the DOVE-Net conference/Group. I am clipping all but a couple conference are names before and after the group that has the message.

<begin paste>

Ý Main Ý 9:06:07 [4] FIDO-Net [78] SYNC SYSOPS: S

Scan for Messages Posted to You

Sub-board: SYNC SYSOPS, Group: FIDO-Net, or All: A

[v] Display Subjects Only? Yes
[v] Display Unread Messages Only? [Yes] No Ý Yes
...
[3] DOVE-Net [16] Synchronet Discussion 12485 [3] DOVE-Net [17] Synchronet Sysops Only 11596
From To A Subject
11584 Digital Man Hemo ! Mssg scan weirdness

[3] DOVE-Net [18] Synchronet Programming (Baja) 2543 [3] DOVE-Net [19] Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) 2673 ...
<end paste>

Then I do the scan again, this time answering No to display subjects only.

<begin paste>
Ý Main Ý 9:06:07 [4] FIDO-Net [78] SYNC SYSOPS: S

Scan for Messages Posted to You

Sub-board: SYNC SYSOPS, Group: FIDO-Net, or All: A

[v] Display Subjects Only? No
[v] Display Unread Messages Only? [Yes] No = Yes
...
DOVE-Net Synchronet Discussion New: 0 of 12630 DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (Baja) New: 0 of 2543 DOVE-Net Synchronet Programming (JavaScript) New: 0 of 2710 ...
<end paste>

whoah.. I just notice that the area for "Synchronet Sysops Only" isn't even showing in the listing when I scan and answer 'No' to the 'display subjects only' prompt. I had not noticed that detail before.

I am now also curious at the different counts at the right side margin. Those numbers appear to sometimes be different based on how I answer to scan, subject only or not. When displaying subjects only, I also see the conference/group number at the left column, but not when answering No to 'display subjects only'. Just observations.

I only mentioned this topic in the event it is an issue you think needs correcting.

thanks,

JH

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: John Hiemenz to Digital Man on Wed Apr 24 2019 10:38 am

Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to Hemo on Mon Apr 22 2019 10:26 pm

Running linux version 3.17c, and noticing something odd if I do
message scan for message to myself. Main Menu 'S'.
I'll choose to scan all groups, display subjext only, display unread
messages only and it will find and display 3 message subject lines in
this group to me.

How did you answer the "unread messages only prompt" when you performed the second scan?

Always answering Yes to display Unread messages only.

I guess I thought the system might display the entire message, but
the scan doesn't seem to 'hit' on these messages unless I answer Y to
the display subjects only prompt.

It should. Or at least it's supposed to.

It did this time. sort of. When loggin in and performing the scan automatically, I answered No to display subjects only, and your reply in the FIDO-Net conference displayed the entire message. The same message in DOVE-Net did not display.

The "Display subjects only" prompt should do just that, only display the message to/from/subject details and not the entire message header and body text. Of course there is quite a different execution path when scanning/displaying only subjects like that, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a bug or difference in behavior, but I'm not seeing one.

So, I found that all interesting. Could it be the way I have DOVE-Net conference configured, or is there some sort of duplicate thing happening here that the system 'thinks' it has displayed this message to me, even though it is in another conference?

That sounds like you're using the same internal code (thus the same database) for more than one Messag Area in SCFG->Message Areas. Is that the case? If yes, then that is the behavior I would expect.

whoah.. I just notice that the area for "Synchronet Sysops Only" isn't even showing in the listing when I scan and answer 'No' to the 'display subjects only' prompt. I had not noticed that detail before.

Is that sub-board included in your "Your scan" config (&S from the main menu when using the default/classic shell)?

I am now also curious at the different counts at the right side margin. Those numbers appear to sometimes be different based on how I answer to scan, subject only or not. When displaying subjects only, I also see the conference/group number at the left column, but not when answering No to 'display subjects only'. Just observations.

That's expected.

I only mentioned this topic in the event it is an issue you think needs correcting.

Not that I see.

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to John Hiemenz on Wed Apr 24 2019 03:13 pm

whoah.. I just notice that the area for "Synchronet Sysops Only" isn't
even showing in the listing when I scan and answer 'No' to the
'display subjects only' prompt. I had not noticed that detail before.

Is that sub-board included in your "Your scan" config (&S from the main menu when using the default/classic shell)?

derp. No clue how that one was turned off. That was it, though.

So, an area is turned off in the scan config, it will scan and display
subject lines when I choose to display subject only, but if I chose to not display subjects only ( hence the entire message would display ) then it would not scan the area at all? (As shown in my previous email)

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: John Hiemenz to Digital Man on Thu Apr 25 2019 07:31 pm

Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to John Hiemenz on Wed Apr 24 2019 03:13 pm

whoah.. I just notice that the area for "Synchronet Sysops Only" isn't
even showing in the listing when I scan and answer 'No' to the
'display subjects only' prompt. I had not noticed that detail before.

Is that sub-board included in your "Your scan" config (&S from the main menu when using the default/classic shell)?

So, an area is turned off in the scan config, it will scan and display subject lines when I choose to display subject only, but if I chose to not display subjects only ( hence the entire message would display ) then it would not scan the area at all? (As shown in my previous email)

That'd be a bug, which should now be fixed. Thanks for being persistent and helping me to see what you're saying! :-)

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to John Hiemenz on
Thu Apr 25 2019 07:44 pm

So, an area is turned off in the scan config, it will scan and display
subject lines when I choose to display subject only, but if I chose to
not display subjects only ( hence the entire message would display )
then it would not scan the area at all? (As shown in my previous
email)

That'd be a bug, which should now be fixed. Thanks for being persistent and helping me to see what you're saying! :-)

very cool.

Thanks for stepping me through some things. I was totally overlooking the
area in question was not enabled for a scan, but I just felt like something wasn't 'right' because I was getting what I perceived as different behavior based on how I answed to display subjects only or not.

I'm glad it ended up being something that could be tracked down and updated.

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Hemo to Digital Man on Fri Apr 26 2019 07:53 pm

Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to John Hiemenz on
Thu Apr 25 2019 07:44 pm

So, an area is turned off in the scan config, it will scan and display
subject lines when I choose to display subject only, but if I chose to
not display subjects only ( hence the entire message would display )
then it would not scan the area at all? (As shown in my previous
email)

That'd be a bug, which should now be fixed. Thanks for being persistent and helping me to see what you're saying! :-)

very cool.

Thanks for stepping me through some things. I was totally overlooking the area in question was not enabled for a scan, but I just felt like something wasn't 'right' because I was getting what I perceived as different behavior based on how I answed to display subjects only or not.

I'm glad it ended up being something that could be tracked down and updated.

In the process of looking into your report, I also noticed that messages you post to yourself would not be listed in the your-message-scan, which was unexpected. That's also now fixed

Please try the latest and greatest and see if it's behaving more consistently for you. Thanks again,

digital man

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Re: Mssg scan weirdness
By: Digital Man to Hemo on Fri Apr 26 2019 06:40 pm

In the process of looking into your report, I also noticed that messages you post to yourself would not be listed in the your-message-scan, which was unexpected. That's also now fixed

Please try the latest and greatest and see if it's behaving more consistently for you. Thanks again,

I am heading out of the country for a few weeks today and will likely not try to pull and compile the latest until I get back.

Thanks for the updates and heads-up.

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